Session 793


"Genuine Supportiveness to Children"
"Interpreting Puzzle Pieces"

Saturday, March 10, 2001 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael), Marj (Grady), Joanne (Gildae), and Michael (Leale)
Elias arrives at 2:43 PM. (Arrival time is 21 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

MARJ: Hello there, Elias!

JOANNE: Hey, Elias!

MICHAEL: Hello!

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Welcome!

MARJ: Welcome to you, too! We've missed you!

ELIAS: (Chuckling) And how goes your adventure?

MARJ: Oh, I'm mailing myself all over the country! (Elias laughs) Seriously! I always dream about mail, and I'm going to ask you if letters or mail is my dream trigger. But the other night I dreamt about mail again, so I mailed myself to New England and saw the snow, and then I went and visited with an actor on TV, and then I sent myself to a tropical place to visit tropical flowers and birds. When I woke up, I was so excited! I thought, "I think I really went! I didn't just dream this!" (Elias chuckles) What do you think?

ELIAS: I may express to you that you are correct, and in allowing yourself to move into your mail, so to speak, you also allow yourself to project yourself within consciousness to other physical locations.

MARJ: Into other locations? Joanne went and coughed, and I didn't hear the last thing you said! (Marj and Joanne laugh)

ELIAS: (Laughs) Yes, you are correct.

MARJ: Oh, that's so exciting! I hope I can keep on doing this! Woo! (Elias chuckles) That is great!

Another quick question I have for you is, I was just lying on the sofa the other night, and I was in la-la land, and I saw a face of a man ... actually, he would have had to be about ten feet tall to do this. He kind of just passed by my kitchen window, smiled and waved and kept on going. And I have no clue who that was!

ELIAS: Now express to me, what is your impression?

MARJ: Well, it was a friendly face, smiling. I don't know ... another focus of mine or someone I will be focused with?

ELIAS: I may express to you, as you are already aware, your impression is not that this is another focus of yourself.

In this, you have inquired as to what your action is in what you identified as dream activity, and we have identified that you are in actuality allowing yourself the awareness of your own projections within consciousness, and in concert with your allowance of that action, you also have allowed yourself to be aware of another individual creating this type of action.

MARJ: Oh, so someone else was taking a peek in at me!

ELIAS: Ha ha! In a manner of speaking, yes! This in actuality is significant in the movement of your awareness and your allowance of yourself to be objectively recognizing this type of action. For many times individuals may be projecting within consciousness, but other individuals that may be creating the same action do not allow themselves an objective recognition of each other, in a manner of speaking.

Therefore, you may be projecting yourself within consciousness, and the other individual that may be projecting also does not necessarily hold an awareness of you objectively, nor do you of them objectively.
This is a veil that you each create in this action of projection, which is created from an expression of your own skepticism as to whether you are actually creating this action realistically.

Now; as you allow yourself a widening of awareness, and you allow yourself an expression of trust in your movement and your projections, you also begin dropping this veil of separation and allow yourself to view other individuals that are creating this action also.

MARJ: Oh gosh, Elias. You know what? I think I trust myself, and then when something like this happens, I'm like so excited about it! I think, "Oh! Can it be real? Where's Elias? I have to talk to him!" (Elias laughs with Marj) Oh gosh, I love it!

Joanne's here and so's her little boy Michael, so I don't want to take up all your time. I just love talking to you. Thank you so much!

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend!

JOANNE: (To Michael) Go ahead.

MICHAEL: Elias?

ELIAS: Yes! (Smiling)

MICHAEL: Is it true that if you died you would still have another life? (Slight pause)

ELIAS: Interesting question! I may say to you, in your words, yes, you have many lives. You create many, many, many experiences, many adventures, many explorations. You are a discoverer, an adventurer! And in being this adventurer, you create many, many different adventures that are exciting and wondrous to you, and when you die, you actually do not die! You simply move yourself from this adventure to a new adventure in a new country, in a manner of speaking, although the new country is not within your physical world. The new country is different and wondrous to explore. It is a new adventure to create and to explore.

You, in dying, change your creation of yourself into another creation of yourself. In this life, in your words, you are yourself a small boy in a small boy body, correct?

MICHAEL: Yes.

ELIAS: And were you in this now to choose to die, you would be you, but you would no longer be you in the form of a small boy and a small boy's body. You would move yourself into a new adventure, and allow yourself to become a new creation, a new expression of you, and that may be in whatever form you choose! (Pause)

MICHAEL: Elias, there was an orange and white cat at my house, and it didn't run away like the other cats do. Did you have anything to do with that?

ELIAS: (Chuckling) And may I ask you what is your thought - for you already know! I have already introduced myself to you, and I have continued to be playing with you and to be with you, and at times I may be playing with you with the energy of this creature. And you already knew this, did you not?

MICHAEL: Yes.

ELIAS: Ha ha!

JOANNE: (Laughing) I'm sorry for all the times I chased you out of the yard!

ELIAS: (Laughing) And WE know in our communication, do we not, that it matters not how you may shoo away this energy! There is a persistence, and I may be interacting with your creature, your cat, and it shall continue to return to you.

JOANNE: Oh, great! (Laughs)

MARJ: (Laughing) We'll have to feed you then!

JOANNE: Well, he's just been coming over to eat anyway! (Laughs and Elias chuckles)

MICHAEL: I give it food.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! And we speak with each other, do we not?

JOANNE: Well, he was really upset about the orange and white cat last night, and kept giving it more and more food, and was all upset every time it meowed. He's just so in love with that cat all of a sudden.

ELIAS: Why shall you be upset as the cat speaks to you? It is not sad. It is merely speaking to you. You and I speak to each other, do we not? I speak with you through this creature, and you speak to me also.

JOANNE: That is so neat.

MICHAEL: Elias?

ELIAS: Yes?

MICHAEL: I have been thinking I would like a big house when I'm old enough, and I'm not sure if I'm going to get it or not.

ELIAS: And I may say to you, little one, you may have whatever you want, and all you need to be creating that is to be trusting yourself and to be offering yourself permission to have what you want.

Therefore, I encourage you and I shall continue to be interactive with you, and I shall continue to play with you and encourage you, and you shall create what you want.

JOANNE: (To Michael) Okay? Pretty cool! Tell Elias about the werewolf dream.

MICHAEL: Elias?

ELIAS: Yes?

MICHAEL: I had a dream that my dad turned into a werewolf during a full moon, and I didn't know what it meant.

ELIAS: And in this dream, what were you doing with this werewolf?

MICHAEL: I was running.

ELIAS: And in this dream, what were you feeling as you were running?

MICHAEL: Fear.

ELIAS: Now; I may say to you, this dream is offering you a message. The message is that at times you become fearful with your father. At times, you become afraid of your father's movements and what he may be expressing to you.

Now; that is the reason that you create this image of your father becoming this creature which is quite fearful, and you create running away and being afraid of this terrible creature. But the message that you are offering to yourself in this dream is that the reason that you are afraid is that you fear that your father may be disappointed with you, and therefore you run away and attempt to hide for you fear this expression of disappointment.

But actually it is not your father that expresses the disappointment. It is yourself that becomes disappointed within yourself and that you see yourself at times as not creating expressions in your life that may be good enough or that should be better, and when you judge yourself you become disappointed within yourself. But you look to this individual, your father, as the person that you seek approval from, and if this person becomes disappointed with you, you shall confirm your own disappointment within yourself, and this is unbearable. Therefore, you run away from the possibility.

But the joyful message that you have offered to yourself in this dream is that you may turn and you may stop your running, and you may look to this werewolf and you may say to this werewolf, "I am not disappointed with myself any longer, and I shall love you, and you shall love me also." And the beast shall transform to the beauty once again. Is this helpful?

JOANNE: Oh yes, yes. Mike sat here and nodded the whole time you were talking! (Laughing and Elias chuckles)

(Speaking to Michael) You know what, tell Elias about the dream about the big guys.

MICHAEL: I'm very afraid of the dark, and there's like doors down in the basement, and when I go down there by myself in the dark, I think these guys are gonna come out and scare me. I had a dream that I was kicking a box down the stairs and I saw them, and the stairs had wheels on it and I could push it over to the hole and climb up. So then a guy came out of the doors and sort of tried to pull it, and I broke a piece off and started whacking him, and then I woke up.

JOANNE: Tell him what you thought.

MICHAEL: I thought that you didn't really have to be afraid. You could just turn around and show them you're not afraid.

ELIAS: I may express to you, little one, you may allow yourself not merely to not be afraid, but you may also allow yourself to play, for these persons that you are viewing are not attempting to be hurtful to you, but are curious and wish to play. And you may stop and allow yourself to look at these individuals, and you may offer to play again with them, and they shall play with you. (Slight pause)

There are many, many expressions of consciousness that you may view in the quietness of your night that are not fearful and are not harmful. Essences may come to play with you and not be hurtful to you. Therefore, you need not be afraid within the quiet and the dark of your night, for in darkness is warmth, and in the warmth is the safety of the calm and the allowance of uninterrupted play and freedom without distraction of the bustling of the day. (Pause)

JOANNE: Mike and I have been talking off and on about ... well, we're learning how you create your own reality. He's had an interesting situation happen, and it's really taught me a lot! (Laughing)

His father told him he had to play baseball this summer, and Mike didn't want to play baseball, and he was really upset. I told him to just make up his mind that he wasn't going to play and nobody could make him, and then just to relax and forget about it, just let it go, and somehow, some way, he wouldn't have to play baseball.

He said okay, then two days later we were sitting having dinner one night and the subject of baseball came up, and all of a sudden his dad looked at him and said, "You don't have to play baseball if you don't want to!" (Laughs) And it was such a change because they had been arguing before that to the point where Mike was in tears, and his dad was telling him he had to, and there was no question about it.

So his dad did a complete turn-around in his opinion, and I was trying to tell Mike, "See, that's how you create! Everybody's out there more than happy to help you if you just put these thoughts out there. People hear them - not with their physical ears, but with other ears - and they can't wait to help you to have whatever it is you want." And I was wondering if you could, I don't know, maybe explain that to him yourself, because he seems to think that it's not him, that it's me. I tried to tell him that no, I didn't say a word to his dad. I didn't do anything, and that he did it all.

ELIAS: You are correct. I may explain to you, in the moments that you are fighting with your energy and with other individuals' energies, you do not create what you want, for the action of fighting is an expression of not trusting that you can create what you want.

When you are fighting with yourself or with another individual or with any expression within your world, what you are actually expressing is that you believe you cannot have or you cannot do what you want, and you are struggling, and you create precisely what you are fighting with and you do not create what you want. You do create what you expect, for as you are fighting and struggling, you expect that you shall not have what you want, and therefore you create precisely what you expect.

But as you relax and merely express what you want and trust that you are already creating that, and you do not doubt yourself in what you want and that you are creating it, you stop struggling and you allow for your energy to flow free, and as it flows free, it is received by other individuals and accepted.

When you force energy, other individuals force energy back. When you trust and relax and allow your energy to move easily, other individuals accept your expression.

Now; let me express to you, if another child approaches you and tells you what to do in any situation, what is your response? How shall you respond?

MICHAEL: If I don't want to do it, I say no.

ELIAS: Correct, and you block that expression. You express, "No, I do not want to do this action. No, I shall not." In that moment, what you are creating is a shield in front of yourself in energy, and you are not receiving the expression of the other individual.

Now; when you express to another individual, such as your father, in struggle, shall he not also create his shield and express to you, "No, I shall create what I want to create"? And you express, "No, I shall create what I want to create!" and neither of you receives the other energy, and you create conflict.

But when you allow yourself to calmly express what you want and know that you shall create this and trust yourself, you project a very different type of energy without force, and the other individual receives that energy.

Therefore, you HAVE created this, for you have allowed yourself to create a calmness within you and a trust within you that you shall move in actions that YOU want to move in, not what other individuals tell you to move into or dictate to you. And in projecting that energy, it has been received, and you have created precisely what you want. (Pause) You have glorious power, do you not?

JOANNE: So you have power! (Laughing)

MICHAEL: Like what?

ELIAS: You may create anything you want. This is a glorious power!

MARJ: (Laughing) He thinks that's cool! (Laughter and Elias chuckles)

JOANNE: It's been really interesting. I mean, I can see it when he's doing it in some of the things, and in a way it's helped me pay more attention to some of the things that I'm creating. So, it's been really interesting watching him with a few different things. It goes from being uncertain, and no, he didn't want to do it but thinking he had to, and then watching him relax and then be so surprised when everything turned out the way he wanted it. It's been really interesting watching him do this!

ELIAS: (Chuckling) An efficient example of how you create your reality.

JOANNE: What amazed me was it was so simple, and I saw it because it was that simple, which made me start to think of other simple things that we just take so much for granted and don't pay any attention to. Then there'll be this big complicated thing, and I'll think, "Oh, I can't do that!" But when you stop to think about the simple little things that you do every day...

MARJ: You can do the big ones, too.

JOANNE: ...you can do the big ones, too. And what was so neat was that to me this seemed like a simple problem, but to him it was so important! It was really interesting paying attention to that type of perception. Like to him, it was the end of the world; it was so important, and he was so upset.

ELIAS: Monumental!

JOANNE: Right, and from my position, I was thinking, "Oh, this is simple! You just make up your mind you're not gonna do it." I told him the worst thing that could happen is your dad will drive you to baseball, and you just stand out there in the field - but nobody can make you play! That would be the worst-case scenario. The best-case scenario is to just leave it alone and something will happen somehow, some way, and you won't have to play.

It was such a shock to sit there at dinner that one night and have his dad just start talking about baseball and then ask Mike, "Do you want to play?" Mike said "No," and he said, "Fine, you don't have to," and that was the end of it! (Elias smiles and nods) Mike and I just kind of grinned at each other. But it was just so cool how that happened, and it's really helped me a lot.

ELIAS: I may express to you as I have previously, you are quite efficient at complicating MUCH of your reality and in creating challenges and struggles in those complicated expressions, and in actuality, MUCH of what you create within your reality is quite simple.

JOANNE: Yes, and little bit by little bit I'm noticing that.

ELIAS: (Chuckling) As you continue to pay attention to self, not outside of self, and not concerning yourself with the choices of other individuals but concentrating your attention upon you, you also shall begin movement into the simplicity of how you are creating your reality, and it becomes easier and easier.

JOANNE: Yeah. I'm having a tough time with keeping my attention on myself right now. (Elias chuckles) I'm working with that ogre of responsibility, and how I feel responsible for basically the whole world! (Sighs)

ELIAS: Ah!

JOANNE: But we can discuss from one person to the next! (Laughing) It just kind of grows from there on.

ELIAS: Ah! And I may express to you, you are much more helpful and influencing of any other individual within your world if you are paying attention to you.

JOANNE: When things are calm, I can do that for periods of time. But I don't know! It's just my belief systems of responsibility and what a good mother does, what a good wife does, what a good friend does, what a good daughter does, what a good sister does, what a good citizen does or a good humanitarian. (Begins laughing) I can go on and on with that one!

ELIAS: I am understanding. And you are much more affecting when you are paying attention to yourself, for your interactions, your responses, your creations are different as you pay attention to yourself.

JOANNE: Yes, I know what you're saying with that because in some of these conversations I had with Mike, I was concerned about him. It was very easy in a way to deal with it because it wasn't just him that I was thinking about. I was also thinking about myself and what I was creating or how I'm creating things, so my responses and my reactions to what he was saying were a lot different than they normally have been. I do know what you mean about how your responses, your whole attitude is different when your attention is on yourself.

ELIAS: You are correct! And in likeness to my offering of information to the small one concerning the interaction between the two children and the shield that is projected, this shield may be projected by any individual within any moment that they recognize that your energy is being projected to them in what YOU view as helpfulness. For that expression of helpfulness, in the manner in which you continue to express it, in actuality is judgment that they are not creating their reality adequately enough; therefore, you shall offer your wisdom to be creating their reality better. This is not helpful.

You camouflage many expressions of judgment in holding your attention outside of self in many different manners, many disguises - compassion, helpfulness, understanding - many, many times. These are disguises for expressions of judgment.

And in holding your attention within you, you also create a genuine ease in NOT expressing judgment to another individual, for your attention is not directed to the other individual and their choice. It is directed to you and your interaction with the other individual, your associations in similarities to the other individual, which produces genuine understanding and support merely through association and no attempt at fixing or helping or changing another individual's choices or perception.

JOANNE: Well, what I did with Mike, what happened ... I did want to help him. I mean, I felt bad that he was so upset. I know that a lot of the issues that he's struggling with I'm struggling with, too. You know, do you really create your own reality...

ELIAS: Correct.

JOANNE: ...and how do you do that if you really do, and all of those things. I felt like we were working together on it.

ELIAS: Correct, for in this situation in particular, what have you created? You have created paying attention to yourself, and therefore assessing a similarity in your experiences, and in that understanding, you create an expression of allowance in relation to the other individual.

You are not offering a solution or a method, so to speak, to be fixing a situation, but rather you offer an expression of genuine supportiveness in understanding the similarities of your expressions, and allowing yourself to explore your own creation, your own expression, and projecting an expression of energy to him also which allows for his own choices and direction, recognizing that you may not alter his reality. He is the only individual that may alter his reality.

JOANNE: What happened was telling me that more and more, and that he's doing it all by himself, which is helping with the responsibility issue, that I can't create for him. So, in these things that are happening at home, it helps me more and more to say, well, I can tell you something, but when it comes right down to it there's nothing I can do to make this happen for you. It's up to you. And that, in turn, turns around and helps me not feel so responsible for every little thing that happens; not completely, but in some ways that stops me from telling him what to do.

ELIAS: (Chuckling) And this, as you continue to practice, shall be quite liberating to you also.

JOANNE: But especially to him, I'm sure! (Laughing)

ELIAS: In equality to you both.

JOANNE: Right. I've spent more time in the last month trying to remember how I felt at 10 and 12 years old, and how capable I felt of doing what I wanted to do, and thinking I was perfectly capable of making my own decisions and choices. Well, it's been really interesting (laughing) trying to get back in touch with that, those feelings, remembering how I felt and looking at Michael and my older son Jimmy, and thinking if I felt okay at those ages and that I could handle situations, then that's probably how they're feeling right now, and all I'm doing is trying to create for them and getting in their way. I have to constantly remind myself that they're perfectly capable of taking care of themselves.

ELIAS: You are correct!

JOANNE: That's really hard (Elias chuckles), but little bit by little bit I'm moving very slowly through that! Don't get me wrong (laughing), I'm not going to do this one by leaps and bounds, but it's really helped a lot. Mike's really helped me a lot, and so has Jimmy with some of the things he's wanting to do at 12 that a year or two ago would have been absolutely positively out of the question, not gonna happen. I see my perception of the world changing, but it's more changing because I'm remembering what I felt when I was their age.

ELIAS: Let me express to you a reminder: you are not manifest in this physical dimension to be a teacher or a student. You are fellow travelers.

JOANNE: Yes. Well, see, that's the other part of it, and I'm trying to see them as equals.

ELIAS: As they are!

JOANNE: Right. But I really wasn't looking at them like that before. It was they were inexperienced and didn't know enough, and they needed me as their mother and they needed their father as elders with all the wisdom of what real life is all about! (Elias laughs)

MARJ: What a joke! (Laughter)

ELIAS: And to be instructing them in the movements of beliefs! (Chuckling)

JOANNE: Right, right. Now, because of all of this information, I'm trying to backtrack or step away from that, and trying really to see them as equals because I remember how I felt at times when I was 10 and 12 years old. Actually, they're doing a lot better! (Laughs, and Elias laughs) They're not as afraid as I am, and I really, really do not want to foster any of that. I don't want them to feel that way. I want them to trust themselves.

ELIAS: And the most efficient manner in which you may be influencing of that particular expression is to be offering the example by paying attention to yourself.

JOANNE: Yes, I know what you're saying, but in that also I feel like I have to learn to get out of their way - get out of my own way and get out of their way (laughing) - but mostly get out of their way because of my beliefs about the world and things, how I perceive the world. I'm cutting them off in a lot of ways from life, from experiencing things and doing things that they want to do, and I want to stop doing that!

So in a sense, it is more for me than for them. I want to stop doing that. I want them to have the same freedom that I had at 10 and 12 years old, because there were some things that frightened me at 10 and 12, but the world was not the scary place that I've turned it into now. I don't want them to be 39 years old with two kids and petrified for their children. But it's basically more for me.

ELIAS: You are correct. Therefore, offer yourself permission to create this.

JOANNE: Okay! (Elias begins chuckling and Joanne laughs). Wasn't THAT easy! No, I'm just playing! (Elias laughs)

I'm going to change the subject and talk about some focuses. A couple of months ago Ben had come to my mom's house, and we all got together, and we had a really good time. We were messing around about the Oscar Wilde focus. At that time, Ben didn't know he was Bosie, but we were trying to figure that all out and get information.

It was really weird. Ben was getting ready to leave, and all of a sudden I just started having this feeling that he was mad at me. I hate it when people are mad at me, and it really bothered me.

So one night before I went to bed, I asked myself the question, "Why do I think Ben is mad at me?" and I had this dream. I don't really know where I was, but I had just gotten done telling someone I was pregnant, and it was my husband but it was a weird situation. I don't know what the situation was but it wasn't a good situation, and I wasn't real thrilled about being pregnant. I was walking away, I was leaving, and I turned around and there was Ben, and he was absolutely furious! He was so mad at me.

I woke up, and I started thinking about it. The only thing that made sense to me at the time was that Ben was Bosie - I didn't know that at the time - and that I was Constance, that Constance is another focus of me, and I just wanted to confirm that with you.

ELIAS: I may express to you, no, you are not this individual within that focus. I may also express to you that this offering of this experience to yourself was an opportunity for you to be examining the communication within the emotion.

In actuality, this is an offering as an example in an experience that has been created entirely within your own perception and within your individual reality, and not in conjunction with any other individual. You have offered yourself a communication within a moment in an emotion, that you may be practicing paying attention to your communications in emotions in what you term to be a safe scenario.

It is not a situation in which you express to yourself an obligation to be addressing to the other individual or resolving of any conflict which you perceive to have occurred between yourself and another individual, and you have created this association in relation to this particular individual in the recognition of his acceptance of energy. Therefore, there is an association of safety in relation to this particular individual.

Now; what you may allow yourself to explore is what you have communicated to yourself in that experience, in creating that emotion. And what is the message that you have offered to yourself?

JOANNE: Well, the thing is, I knew what I was feeling was not what was really occurring.

ELIAS: I am aware.

JOANNE: I mean, when he was here everything was fine, and it was just so strange that that feeling just came from nowhere.

ELIAS: This is your providing to yourself an example to be viewing and paying attention to in relation to emotion as a communication and not as a reaction. An event outside of yourself is not necessary to be creating an emotion, for an emotion is not a reaction. It is a communication. Therefore, you have offered yourself a scenario in which you are recognizing that there is not an actual conflict or disappointment or anger being expressed by another individual, and it is not being expressed by another focus either.

This experience is an offering to yourself to be allowing yourself to explore the communication that occurs within emotion, and that communication is concerning you within this focus in this present time framework.

MARJ: So her communication ... let's say in her everyday life, what she communicates through her emotion that's what she should be looking at?

ELIAS: Emotion IS a communication. Therefore, the emotion that is expressed is an offering of a message, and that message precisely identifies what you are creating within the moment. The feeling is the signal, but it is merely a signal contained within that emotion.

Within every emotion is a message. It is a communication, and this is what you are turning your attention to and allowing yourself to begin exploring.

JOANNE: (Laughing) This is it, because I don't understand...

ELIAS: You shall. You may be inquiring of Michael also, subsequent to our discussion, and he may be offering you information concerning what I have been expressing recently to many individuals in redefining your definition of emotion. (Pause)

JOANNE: Well, I'm disappointed, not so much in finding out that I'm not Constance, but I try to do this thing at night where if I have a question about something, I ask myself the question before I go to bed and I get answers. And because of the way some of the people were dressed, and off in the distance I saw Loie Fuller ... it's like getting a piece of a puzzle, and you put it somewhere and then you find out that the piece doesn't go there, and I hate when that happens! (Laughing and Elias chuckles) Because it really makes me doubt the information that I'm giving myself and...

ELIAS: You offer to yourself information. It is not a discounting of the validity of what you offer to yourself. You merely are objectively misunderstanding or creating a translation which may be askewed.

I may express to you, you offer yourself the puzzle pieces. You may attempt to be placing the puzzle pieces in a particular position in which they do not fit, but they remain pieces of the puzzle. They are not invalid as the puzzle piece. It may merely be that your objective translation has attempted to place this puzzle piece in a position in which it does not fit.

JOANNE: Right. Well, that's what makes it hard to trust yourself because ... I mean, I didn't wake up and say, "Oh, I'm Constance!" It was like, well, jeez, what does this mean? I tried to think about how I felt in the dream and what was going on, what my perceptions of the other people in the dream were, what I perceived that they were feeling and what they were doing. It's ... I don't know. I'm going to have re-think that. (Elias chuckles)

It's just hard! You know, you think you're on the right track. You're interpreting your dreams, you're translating them, and then you miss the boat on one or you put the piece in the wrong place, and...

MARJ: It sets you back.

JOANNE: Yes! It sets you back. It's like, okay, if I put that piece in the wrong place, then what other pieces...

ELIAS: And what are you creating presently? A discounting of yourself, doubting of yourself, and reinforcing a lack of trust.

JOANNE: Right, yes.

MARJ: And all because you didn't tell her what she wanted to hear!

ELIAS: Ah!

JOANNE: So it's your fault! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles)

ELIAS: (Humorously) Very well! (Laughter)

JOANNE: Okay! So now can we go back? (Laughing)

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! Ah, yes, attempt to be fixing this situation! (Laughs)

I may express to you, we shall continue to explore the adventure futurely (chuckling), and you may be paying attention to the communications that you offer to yourself through these emotions for there is valuable information in these messages, and we shall continue our interaction, and I shall continue to be offering encouragement to you.

MARJ: Thank you, Elias.

JOANNE: Thanks, Elias!

ELIAS: And I shall continue to be expressing playfulness with the small one! (Chuckling)

MARJ: Oh, he'll be glad to hear that!

JOANNE: He's been talking about you a lot lately.

ELIAS: And I am present. To you this day in tremendous affection and glorious friendship, I express au revoir.

MARJ: Au revoir, Elias.

JOANNE: Good-bye!

Elias departs at 4:00 PM.