Session 1182


“Interacting with Other Focuses and Selves”

Sunday, November 17, 2002 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Anjuli (Myranda)

Elias arrives at 10:48 AM. (Arrival time is 23 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

ANJULI: Good afternoon, Elias! Oh, Elias, we have so many choices as to what I am going to ask you! (Elias laughs) Yesterday I thought maybe I am creating a few new alternate selves because of all these many choices. Or are they too unimportant for to create an alternate self just because of thinking about sessions?

ELIAS: (Laughs) All that you engage is significant, my friend.

ANJULI: Yes, but I will not necessarily create for example six new alternate selves with six new sessions?

ELIAS: If you are so choosing. Ha ha ha!

ANJULI: Do I right now have a few other ones talking with you, or do I only talk with you with this main self?

ELIAS: Presently you speak with myself in this one reality. But if you are so choosing, you may generate that action with alternate selves. It is your choice.

ANJULI: Yes, and I thought I have really so many possible choices for the design of this session that I probably may create them. But today when I went through my questions again, I sort of got that cleared, which ones I want to ask and which ones not, and then I thought I for sure want to ask that. It was no longer this question about deciding. That’s why in this moment I don’t start with new alternate selves. Is this true?

ELIAS: (Laughs) Yes.

ANJULI: Okay! In the anniversary session I mentioned that it is one year after my first session with you, and then you said that was a marker point. I had the impression that I told myself with this that I am again in such a major shift, so this time is again for me a marker point?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Ahmed and I feel that we are now using our inner sense of clarity more often. We are more aware of what is going on in us, in more detail, more clarity, more details at once. Is this the inner sense of clarity?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking. I may express to you that this is associated with another aspect of your inner sense of your empathic sense, which does generate tremendous clarity in engaging that inner sense in certain manners.

ANJULI: And the inner sense of clarity, how would that be...?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, my friend, they are associated with each other.

ANJULI: I even had the feeling that I am probably sometimes using the inner sense of clarity together with the inner sense of conceptualization.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Then this is like with the outer senses, which are also used together?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: When I am using the inner senses more often does this influence the outer senses, that I am more sensitive?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: When I am more sensitive in the outer senses, I can train where I have my attention on? Because this sensitivity is sometimes a little bit distracting or confusing.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

ANJULI: It is just about how I use my attention, and then I don’t have to hear what I don’t want to hear.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Okay! (Laughs) I am training that these days!

ELIAS: (Laughs) This is a useful action that you are engaging, for it allows you to incorporate more flexibility with your attention.

ANJULI: Yes. I think it is also partially associated with my responsibility issues, because in the past I had an automatic response to certain noises, like a dog barking or anything else, and I would ask myself, “Is my mother screaming?” and have my attention outside of self. I tried to hear what is going on and that was associated with this responsibility issue or with a lack of trust in her. This change now is a training of attention on self and now, and about not camouflaging?

ELIAS: Yes. And how do you assess your successfulness in this exercise that you are engaging with yourself?

ANJULI: Oh, that was such a relief, because it works. In the past when I did not train it in the way I do now, sometimes I was in that moment, because of my fears or what, really creating that my mother cried, for example, and I then thought that I need to fix her. And now it does not happen. I always realize it is just a dog, or she tells me she had been screaming and I had not heard her at all, something like that.

ELIAS: Correct, which you are allowing yourself to pay attention more clearly to yourself and not concerning yourself with the actions of this other individual. Therefore you are generating less of a responsiveness in association with personal responsibility, which in actuality, as you are aware, my friend, is not merely helpful to yourself but also is, in a manner of speaking, helpful to her.

ANJULI: Yes. So they feel that I have more trust that they will manage their situations in their way and I don’t have to always listen. It is as if I wanted to control it a little bit in the past and now I don’t. And they feel this subjectively, this trust?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: It gets translated a little bit into their reality, also, objectively in the form of them feeling better?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: I for short would like to say that this past session about my challenges was as beneficial, was creating a big shift for me, as other sessions when I talk about fun, about other focuses, getting lots of validations. It’s the same, although I first had thought, “Oh, the entire session was about parents,” but it was not like that. The shift which was then happening in me was such a big one!

ELIAS: Yes. Quite significant.

ANJULI: I would like to talk about a few dreams which I associated with other dimensions. I am since a while curious about that and had always postponed that for later.

ELIAS: Very well.

ANJULI: There are two dreams; I think they are both associated with the same dimensions. In one dream I was in an area with many moors, and when individuals in that dimension allowed themselves to sink into this fluid stuff or moor, they came into another reality and changed their form, becoming a very different kind of being. In that dream I had already changed into this new being and then changed into my old form, which was possible, and then experienced that together with a friend and wanted to sink into this moor again for to change back into my new form. I was not afraid of sinking into this substance and changing back again at all, but this other individual didn’t want to change back and I went with her. She was visiting her old family, the family she had when she had not yet changed her form into this new being. She had been separated from her family for a few years and visited that family. That was the first dream, and I think the other one was associated with that a lot.

In the other dream, I am a prisoner of a very different race. I can escape, still being this old kind of being, and I go back to my former family that I have not seen for many years and then I go back to this very different race of beings. Then some of us prisoners are ready to change their physical form to become this other kind of being. The dream ended with this other kind of being creating a sort of soup of genetic material, and I was at that time no longer afraid of sinking into it and becoming this other kind of being.

I think it is associated with another physical dimension, and because of this moor and liquid and genetic soup, I started to think that probably this has something to do with my fluid focus.

ELIAS: Yes, but I may also express to you that you have drawn this imagery to yourself in association with this other dimension, which also is, in a manner of speaking, a method that you have chosen to be presenting to yourself physical imagery not merely associated with the movements and the creations within this other dimension, but also in association with your movement now in relation to this shift in consciousness.

For you choose to be allowing yourself to tap into the movements of that particular dimension as an illustration in physical imagery of the type of movement symbolically that you are generating in relation to the shift in consciousness in this dimension. Not necessarily altering your form, but symbolically this is quite accurate, for you are altering your perception, which is altering your reality.

ANJULI: We can also change the genetic information of our body?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: That I dreamt that I was not afraid of this change means that I am not afraid of this shift. What is unfamiliar is familiar for me, and it is also about my body, that there is some change together with the change of my perception?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Do they have these two types of very different beings in that other dimension?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: But that other dimension is not the fluid dimension of my fluid focus?

ELIAS: No.

ANJULI: Are those beings associated with the moor or the genetic soup forcing other beings? Are they creating prisoners? Are both those types of beings creating victim beliefs with each other?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. Remember that this is a translation within the associations of your physical dimension and that the beliefs that you incorporate in this physical dimension do not necessarily apply or are not necessarily associated with other dimensions.

Now; this is not to say that other physical dimensions do not generate somewhat similar actions at times that you may be translating in association with your beliefs, but the actions may not necessarily be associated with the same meaning, so to speak.

Now; at times, there are very similar actions and the meaning, so to speak, of those actions may be quite similar also; but this is not to say that they may necessarily be generating the same beliefs as would you within your physical dimension.

ANJULI: So when I connect with that dimension, I may at first connect this change which this one type of beings are undergoing with the association of it creating some fear, because we would be afraid if we would have that in our dimension, but for them it is a choice that they do?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: I, of course, have focuses there, that is why I dream of that?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: And the experience of this other dimensional focus is helping me, because this focus shifts and I shift too?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Then I am curious about another dream. I knew that it was not a dream; it was more as if I have been visiting a nonphysical dimension. I was translating it into a dream about a sort of picture with various stripes or columns with many different colors and patterns within those stripes or columns. At first there was a movement vertically within the columns, as if focuses are within those stripes and are connecting with each other. Then it was horizontally, too, between those columns. That is how I was translating that. I thought it must be something I have troubles to translate into our dimension. So it is a nonphysical dimension which I connected with?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: What are these columns and the movement which was first vertical and then also horizontal? Is there also a shift in this dimension and they are connecting in new ways?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking. This is not necessarily associated or classified, so to speak, as a dimension but rather an area of consciousness.

ANJULI: Oh! An area of consciousness? So is this Regional Area 4 or...?

ELIAS: No.

ANJULI: A higher one?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes. But be remembering, the numberings are merely a manner to be translating associations of difference, not necessarily associated with higher or lower.

ANJULI: Ja, I am understanding! Okay, interesting. And it was not that dimension where Nanaiis and you and others have focuses and are exploring colors?

ELIAS: No.

ANJULI: The color dimension is in Regional Area 4 also, like yours is?

ELIAS: No.

ANJULI: Because Nanaiis said it is nonphysical.

ELIAS: I am understanding, but this is not associated with this area of consciousness. This area of consciousness is quite focused, so to speak, in association with movement that interacts with physical dimensions.

ANJULI: Oh! Aha! Then my more abstract focus, whom you said what he is doing better translates into watching or experiencing movements, not connected with individuals but movements in general, he is in your dimension and so is in Regional Area 4, the focus I now call “Movie”? He is so abstract. I connected once with him and I got some information, a view of many different kinds of movements within consciousness, connecting things...

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Not things, connections.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: So that is your dimension, this movement thing?

ELIAS: Area of consciousness, yes.

ANJULI: And this focus which I call Movie is one of my attentions I have there, attentions like you have?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Okay! I have many questions, but for to really cover those which I am interested in, I better shift to Myr van Anderson, Elias! (Elias laughs) Then we see later what else I can ask.

Okay, my focus Myr van Anderson! You said we have the gender male, female and other or no gender. I think I have many focuses of other or no gender, and the closest way for me to translate that is that they are biologically male or female but they do not make separation between the genders, so they don’t associate the genders... They are sort of elf-like or androgyne or what, although they are male or female. I don’t know how to put that into words. I think Myr for example is like that. Is this correct?

ELIAS: In this physical dimension?

ANJULI: Ja.

ELIAS: No. Let me express to you that a definition of “other” would be associated with both genders in an actual physical manifestation, which there are not many actual physical manifestations of that choice within any given time framework within your physical reality. Essences generally do not generate many of those types of manifestations, although each essence generally speaking does or shall incorporate a few of those types of manifestations in which there is an actual physical manifestation and incorporation of both genders.

ANJULI: Okay, I am understanding. Then what I feel is probably first of all the soft orientation, and then it can also be a sort of choice, an other-dimension bleed-through my focuses have? They feel a bit elf-like. Some radiance is there. Myr probably doesn’t have this... I don’t know how to explain that!

ELIAS: I am understanding what you are expressing, and in this let me offer an explanation to you. Partially you are correct. Partially you are incorporating an allowance of bleed-through to be offering yourself, in a manner of speaking, a fondness for this type of expression, and offering yourself more of an ease in incorporating an understanding of a particular type of choice which is incorporated within many focuses within your physical dimension and in which you incorporate many focuses of your essence in this physical dimension.

Now; the choice is to be incorporating the physical manifestation of one gender but incorporating the exploration of the energy of the other gender, therefore generating a physical manifestation in the gender of male, so to speak, but also incorporating the energy expression of the female gender, or vice versa.

In this, do not misunderstand or confuse that type of choice as associated with an orientation or with a preference in association with sexual expressions. For it is not necessarily associated with either of those manifestations or incorporations within the choices of any individual and may be easily confused in association with mass beliefs. Many individuals do incorporate an exploration of an energy expression associated with one gender and may be incorporating the physical manifestation of a different gender in this physical dimension, and you as essence do incorporate that type of choice in manifestation in many of your focuses.

This is what you are associating with, and allowing yourself more of an ease in embracing that type of expression or choice, so to speak, by allowing yourself also to incorporate the allowance of some bleed-through of another physical dimension which does not incorporate the same type of gender expression that you do in this physical dimension.

ANJULI: Ah, interesting mix that I am creating in my focuses! (Elias laughs) I will have to listen to the tape also for the entire explanation, but I think I understand. In case I have more questions, I will ask you in another session.

ELIAS: Very well.

ANJULI: We talked about those essence names I discovered, Arkandin and Aviani. Are the parents of Myr van Anderson focuses of the essences Arkandin and Aviani?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Do they have the names Arkandin and Aviani van Anderson, as a choice? I don’t know if they are born like that, but this is how they are called now?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct, as a choice.

ANJULI: My focus Myr was called Myranda van Anderson when he was born. His parents gave him my essence name Myranda, but he was then called Myr?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Interesting in my connection with Arkandin and Aviani was that I associated them right away with their nonphysical essence energy, nonphysical like you are. This is the first time when I connected with the focus of another essence in this dimension that I right away associated the focus energy with this feeling that I have when I connect with you. I was wondering if they probably have a strong awareness of their entire essence but also of their connection with focuses of their essence in your dimension?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: They also feel very familiar to me. I associate the energy of Arkandin a lot with you. In my book Runi/Myranda is giving Inmi/Elias a sort of title and calls him Arkandin. The essence Arkandin feels very similar to you and also to the essences Ordin and Dunadin. I am wondering about that connection of that energy, if this is a fragmentation or just a similarity.

ELIAS: Not a fragmentation. What you are allowing yourself to explore is the lack of separation. In this lack of separation, in other areas of consciousness the identification of individuality of essences is less defined, so to speak.

ANJULI: Oh, that is why sometimes when I interacted with the focus Arkandin van Anderson I almost called him Elias? Of course I knew it is not a focus of you, but it did not matter. I thought it is about non-separation.

ELIAS: Correct, for there is continuous mergence and movement in association with consciousness that blurs the definitions, so to speak. There continues to be expressed the uniqueness of each personality essence and that energy, but the association with it is less strongly defined or expressed, for there is no expression of fear of interruption or loss, so to speak, of that individuality or identity or uniqueness. Whereas within your physical dimension, this is a strongly expressed belief, this separation, and has also, as I have stated many times, been incorporated quite purposefully to allow you the purity of your experience in each attention.

ANJULI: When for example I have this ease in connection, Arkandin with you, or me with Aviani, feeling the similarity, this has something to do with moving into the remembrance of no separation?

ELIAS: Correct. As I have stated previously in analogies, in a manner of speaking the expression of consciousness maybe likened to your air. You may capture a jar of air and separate those atoms of air; but once you remove the lid of your jar, how may you distinguish the air in the jar from the air outside of the jar? Although each expression of air is unique and is itself, it is not distinguished between all of the other expressions of air.

ANJULI: What you said reminds me of what you said in another session, that you don’t have essence families, you don’t have these groupings of essences. This also was contained within the information I got when I connected with my focus in your regional area that I call Movie. So does this mean that with this kind of view and experience you in your regional area don’t have this sort of building of groups we here have? Or can you also, by certain attentions having the same goal, build what we call groups, but maybe not like it is within our dimension?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Ja, then I know what kind of information I got from the connection with my nonphysical attention, Movie. Oh, Elias, it is such a relief to experience it like that. Does this have something to do with my soft orientation and sometimes experiencing groups as a being and so also sort of separating group from group?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Oh, ja, ja, ja, I like this new view! (Elias laughs) Is it correct that Arkandin and Aviani van Anderson are very known in their time framework, are sort of famous?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: I had the impression that they are doing something like creating boarding schools where children are trained with the knowledge that you give, a knowledge about essence. Depending on essence family and orientation they are educated differently.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.

ANJULI: But Arkandin and Aviani van Anderson are not teaching at the Alterversity?

ELIAS: No.

ANJULI: They are interested in it because of their son Myr van Anderson being there, but they are not or not yet teaching there, not in the moment or what?

ELIAS: No.

ANJULI: When I connected with them they were living at my island, right now. Are they living in my house right now because of my strong connection with them and because I like it to be like that?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: And also because it is Myr’s island because it is Myranda’s island, the island of my essence?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Myr and his parents were very playful about me creating a new story for myself, for my life. In a past session we said that I see my life, my imagery, as if it is a hologram created in the now, and so the past is also created in the now. I am not stuck with a solid past of what I have so far remembered as a past?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

ANJULI: Is it correct that my connection with Arkandin and Aviani van Anderson has something to do with my new interest in perceiving my life as if I am writing a book?

ELIAS: Yes, and offering...

ANJULI: That is how I translate it into the language of my dimension, using this example of my life as a story or book.

ELIAS: Yes, and offering yourself more of an expression of freedom to be allowing more flexibility in your attention.

ANJULI: Myr and I are a focus of the same essence and in this are as closely related to each other as you can be, but he said I can create being his sister.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: I mean, I can go there and also I can see myself with my perception as belonging to Myr and his parents.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: All those experiences I had in the past weeks after the last session are correct, all the experiences when I met them and talked with them about this new creation? Or is there some distortion in there?

ELIAS: Your experiences are not distorted and you do incorporate the ability to create whatever type of manifestation that you choose, and this is not to be discounted. Also, as I have expressed to you previously, your choices in your journeys in these directions in playfulness also generate a benefit in your movement in association with this physical reality that you engage intention within also. For it allows you to alter your perception in association with your family unit in this physical manifestation.

ANJULI: Yes! When I asked you about these two dreams at the beginning of this session I suddenly had the feeling that is why I ask you about those dreams now, because this dream includes this change of perception, something about old and new family.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: And even this genetic-soup imagery?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: If I would tell somebody in my time about that they would think that’s crazy, but for me it feels more normal, more familiar than what was familiar in the past.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

ANJULI: So that is how we move within this shift in consciousness, that we create what has been unfamiliar in the past, and this becomes more familiar now?

ELIAS: Yes, which is, in a manner of speaking, the process of altering your reality.

ANJULI: So far when I connected with the Alterversity, I never associated a specific time framework with it because the group there doesn’t have this strong association with linear time and is connecting with my time a lot. Therefore it felt as if you have a craft which is also not associated with a certain space, because it is flying everywhere. That is why it felt not so stuck or fixed within a certain time, although I may be in a certain time. It is difficult to explain.

ELIAS: I am understanding what you are expressing. Yes, you are correct.

ANJULI: Since I now connect the Alterversity with Myr and his parents, it started to be a little bit also associated with a certain time framework due to that. Also the Alterversity itself has this feeling as if it is not in a certain time. I somehow had the impression that there also is a connection of a certain time framework of the people in the City, a connection of the project of the Alterversity with a project in the City. But I am not sure if the time framework of the people that I view to have that project in the City is the same time framework.

ELIAS: As that of the City?

ANJULI: Yes.

ELIAS: No.

ANJULI: So it is different time frameworks but there is a connection?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: My focus Andrea Bergeron is in the City in this specific time framework that I view to have a certain project connected with time-travel. Is this correct?

ELIAS: Yes, but these other individuals are not within the same time framework.

ANJULI: So Arkandin and Aviani van Anderson are not in the same time framework as Andrea Bergeron.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: And the Alterversity, although I don’t connect it with a certain time, is also not in the time as Andrea Bergeron is?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: But the group at the Alterversity associates itself easily with different time frameworks?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Okay, then I am understanding. Andrea is also lending energy to what my focuses Myr and Andre and I are doing with the Alterversity, in a way. She is doing something else, but she is lending energy to that?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Because she is also interested in simultaneous time experiences or what?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Elias, in a past session we were talking about my experiences and you said that these experiences were a separation of personality expression from body consciousness. That was when I was experiencing watching my body running around, for example. I wanted to know if experiences like I had in childhood when my sister asked me something at night and I talked to her in my sleep or when I watch myself during meditation and am feeling as if the body is frozen during meditation, if this is all this kind of separating personality expression from body consciousness, and I am exploring it.

ELIAS: Yes, in a manner of speaking you are correct.

ANJULI: Would this experience in an extreme be what Michael is doing? When he is doing the energy exchange he is even more separating his personality expression from his body consciousness?

ELIAS: Yes, this action is occurring in the energy exchange. Michael is separating his personality expression and his objective awareness and energy from the physical body consciousness.

ANJULI: Aha! Oh ja! Because when I was thinking about that and about our energy mix, I thought I could let you make my arm move, for example? You could do something within our energy mix? We could create some playful experience of you, for example, moving a muscle in my arm?

ELIAS: Yes, if you are allowing.

ANJULI: Did something like that happen already? It was during the session pause of Michael. When I took a nap in the afternoon my arm was suddenly moving. Was this something like that?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Then later, not during a nap, a foot was for a while playfully moving and I had the experience of watching this, and I felt as if not me was moving my foot. Was this also something like that?

ELIAS: Yes, and this offers you an example of time frameworks in which you allow yourself an openness to experience different types of interactions in energy.

ANJULI: Yes! And I am doing that just for fun, because it is playful and because I am interested in what I can do with energy when I experience energy mixes with you or with other essences, and what can be done when we play in energy and how that translates?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Then I can do much more. My energy is very much used to yours, but with Dunadin and Jiavani I could easily create similar?

ELIAS: Yes, you may.

ANJULI: Ja! Oh, Elias, then this means within energy we could play with our energy mix. We could continue with interesting experiences and experiments?

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! Quite!

ANJULI: Yes, oh, exciting! Elias, that is exciting! Oh!

And Elias, when I visit the Alterversity or my island in physical solidity and stay there longer it means that for me my old imagery of being in my old time framework is gone. But is there anything I need to consider about how others of my old time framework would translate that in their reality?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. You are merely moving your attention. This is not to say that this particular physical manifestation does not continue, for it does.

ANJULI: Then I would continue to be physically here...

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: ...and also would be physically there...

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: ...and I would experience being physically at the Alterversity like I am now experiencing me being physically here, as real.

ELIAS: Yes, dependent upon how fully you move your attention.

ANJULI: Sometimes when I am projecting to my island I feel that I am really there in physical. It is not solid, but it is physical and it is real and I am experiencing it, and this feeling gets stronger. So if it would be even stronger, it would be experienced by me as solid...

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: ...and then I am solid there and solid here.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: But I can be there a bit longer? My solidity here can meanwhile do what it likes, I do not have to pay attention to that too much?

ELIAS: It is merely a movement of attention, my friend, and this is not to say that as essence you do not continue to generate the solidity and the physical manifestation in either position. In a manner of speaking, it is the same type of action that you may be incorporating if you are engaging a deep relaxation and moving your attention to any other focus and experiencing that other focus. In those moments...

ANJULI: I would be another focus and meanwhile still be my focus but would have my attention on me being that other focus?

ELIAS: Correct.

Now; in this, you are moving your attention to a projection, and in that projection you may be creating another focus of attention.

ANJULI: That is the splintering?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: In India there are stories of somebody being seen at the same time in this place and in that place. This is when there are two bodies of the same focus and they are at this place and at that place?

ELIAS: At times, yes.

ANJULI: So when I, for example, create having a physical solidity of myself, Anjuli, at the Alterversity and I would be longer there, then it is like a splintering and the creating of another focus?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: How would that splinter experience the Anjuli focus? It is more connected with me than with other focuses? No, it is a choice...

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: ...however I as splinter would like to connect with me as the original focus, Anjuli?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Like all other focuses also do, with their connection with each other and their experience of being another focus.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: When I as Anjuli focus for example would start to be together with Myr and Andre... I mean, I can have a relationship with them and interact physically with them, and that is all right, I don’t influence them. I mean I do, but not in way that it is not good for them.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: I end up with realizing that I can be as playful as I want to be. I can take this whole thing as easy as I felt it to be.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Okay, no concepts around that which are difficult! I feel that! (Elias laughs) It is even easier without concepts! Is this Milumet, to feel it without associating it with concepts?

ELIAS: (Laughs) Allowing yourself more of an ease.

ANJULI: Ja, I am understanding! I think we are ending. I don’t like that!

ELIAS: Ha ha! It matters not, my friend.

ANJULI: No, it matters not! Yes, it matters not!

ELIAS: For we shall continue to play, and we shall also continue to objectively engage conversation.

ANJULI: Yes, yes, yes, and I am very much practicing to translate you into solid form, Elias!

ELIAS: Very well, my friend! Ha ha ha!

ANJULI: Do you think I am succeeding a little bit more in that practice?

ELIAS: You are moving closer, in your terms. Ha ha ha!

ANJULI: Ja, ja, ja! Has your other intention, Inmi-Elias, the intense one, been with us now?

ELIAS: Yes. (Chuckles) I shall continue to offer my energy to you and my affection, my friend, and I shall be anticipating our next conversation.

ANJULI: Yes, me too! I love you very much, Elias! Thank you a lot!

ELIAS: You are quite welcome. I express tremendous fondness to you. In anticipation of our playfulness, I express to you, my friend, au revoir.

ANJULI: Au revoir, Elias!

Elias departs at 11:53 AM.