Session 952

"Verifying Impressions"
"Meeting a Focus of Myranda"

Tuesday, November 6th, 2001 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Anjuli (Miranda)
Elias arrives at 2:41 PM (Arrival time is 21 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good evening!

ANJULI: Good evening, Elias!

ELIAS: Ha ha! We meet again!

ANJULI: Yes, and this session was meant to be the "time-squeeze-session," and then I "unsqueezed" it three times! (Elias laughs) So I guess it's going to be a very interesting session, as I have some interesting creations around it!

ELIAS: Very well!

ANJULI: The first question is already about this session, the day when the session was scheduled for the first time and then was cancelled. On that day - that was a Tuesday, too - I then decided to have a kind of subjective session with you. I had an experience during that evening and during the most part of the night, as if I was sharing all of my feelings, emotions and everything with you; as if we were watching my focus together.

ELIAS: Correct. We have in actuality interacted several times.

ANJULI: Like this?

ELIAS: In similar subjective encounters.

ANJULI: Yes! Then this feeling as if my body was running around with me and with you together. What kind of an experience is that or how do you call that?

ELIAS: This is an allowance of yourself to be experiencing your physical body consciousness almost as a separate entity from yourself as a focus of essence. In actuality, this is almost the reverse of a projection, for it is an allowance of yourself to be experiencing the movement of the body consciousness without the association of yourself.

ANJULI: Without the association of myself - what does this mean?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, it is an allowance for yourself to be familiarizing yourself with your body consciousness.

Now; you have created this in a manner in which you have chosen to separate that aspect of your consciousness that expresses your identity, your individuality, your personality expression. You have allowed yourself to be projecting away from your physical body consciousness but also allowing yourself to continue to experience your physical body consciousness, in a manner of speaking as though it were another entity. It is an interesting experiment in familiarizing yourself with different aspects of you.

ANJULI: Then I guess I have had this experience more often from time to time, like watching, feeling as if I am somebody watching my personality.


ANJULI: But this specific time I was watching it through me AND through you.

ELIAS: Yes, for you are creating an interaction with myself. In this, as you remove your objective awareness from your physical body consciousness, you also, in a manner of speaking, remove the aspect of separation of consciousness. Therefore, you allow yourself to experience yourself as essence and another essence as being one being.

ANJULI: Oh! It was a great, great feeling, Elias. I liked it so much! (Elias laughs) If I could have chosen between a phone session and this experience, then ... after all, I did choose to have this experience instead of that, and that was great!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! And you have allowed yourself to create both!

ANJULI: (Laughing) Yes!

As we just started with body consciousness, I have actually a few questions around that, experiences I have with my body consciousness, experiences I have now, and experiences I had 10 or 15 years ago in the time when I was meditating so much. For example, we talked in the first session ... oh, Elias, I got the tapes, three tapes of the sessions! They were like sessions again! (Elias chuckles) So in the first session we talked about the levitation experience. This was an experience of me experimenting with my body consciousness?


ANJULI: I had others in that time, and they are partially repeating now. Somehow it seems that the now for me is strongly connected with that time.

ELIAS: You are correct.

ANJULI: In that time I had experiences of sitting in meditation and not breathing for a longer time, or I had experiences as if there was no heartbeat and instead of the heart there was a vibration, and of course lots of love and lots of bliss experience. It is both about the same area in the body.

ELIAS: I am understanding. You are allowing yourself to be experimenting in movement in consciousness in actually widening your awareness, allowing yourself to view that time in actuality is what you create it to be, and therefore, if you are choosing, you may incorporate past or future into now, for they are aspects of now. (Pause)

ANJULI: When I am in this state in meditation I have this feeling of the body not breathing or as if the body is kind of frozen but not frozen - well, not moving - and it is then also an experience as if I am watching it.

ELIAS: Correct. This also allows you the opportunity to examine beliefs concerning the body consciousness and what is expressed in mass beliefs that is necessary for the functioning and the sustaining of the physical body consciousness. You have allowed yourself experiences experimenting with these concepts and recognizing that beliefs are not truths, that in this you in actuality may be creating very different types of expressions concerning your body consciousness, and it shall continue to function quite well.

ANJULI: Yes! For example, an experience in my earlier time, when I was so happy that I was not hungry, did not eat for a week and did not feel hungry - that's the same?

ELIAS: Yes. These are all expressions of beliefs that are held en masse concerning how the body consciousness functions, and expressing that in this functioning it also incorporates requirements for its functioning, which in actuality, as I have expressed to many individuals, is incorrect. These are actually expressions of beliefs. Your physical body may function quite adequately and efficiently in many different manners and not necessarily in alignment with the mass beliefs. You...

ANJULI: Yes! We do not need to eat if we don't want.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Then I had experiences of a specific kind of sleep, a little bit similar to this kind of sleep I had when you visited me. This means that I am aware of the body...


ANJULI: ...and I am aware that it is in bed and the body is sleeping, but me not.


ANJULI: I had various kinds of that. One night I remember it was extremely blissful. I was during the entire night bathed in bliss.

ELIAS: Let me also express to you, my friend, a clarification. For in actuality, although you may allow yourself experiences to familiarize yourself with the aspect of body consciousness, it is not actually separated or removed from you, for it is an expression of you.

Therefore, in this, what you are actually offering to yourself in these experiences are evidences of how you may be manipulating your attention and your energy and also your perception in several different manners simultaneously. Which in illusion appears objectively to be an expression of separating different aspects of yourself as though they were different entities, but in actuality you are merely allowing yourself to manipulate your attention in different expressions simultaneously, which offers you a tremendous validation concerning your abilities.

ANJULI: Yes, that's true. I am now very often experiencing my body as energy. This was not so in the past. I was more believing that my body is a body, and now I feel it more as energy. When I am aware of that then I can play with that in various ways, like probably it feels as if I put more attention of energy into it, or it feels as raising my vibration or something like that.

ELIAS: Yes. You are allowing yourself a clearer objective awareness of it, and in this you are not raising your vibrational quality as an expression of rising to other levels. You are merely playing, so to speak, with energy in manipulating it in different manners to be expressing rising your vibrational expression or, in your terms, lowering your vibrational expression, for these manipulations of energy create different types of expressions which facilitate different movements.

In slowing or lowering your vibrational expression of energy, you allow yourself, in a manner of speaking, a more comprehensive examination objectively of what and how you are creating in the moment. In rising or quickening your vibrational expression, you create what may be expressed as heightened sense orientations, for your objective sense movement and input of information becomes exaggerated.

ANJULI: When I am having these experiences, does this have an influence on the subtle nervous system, that sometimes feels as if there are many millions of pathways which are created or as if lots of patterns of energy are in me?

ELIAS: Yes. In actuality, in creating these types of experiences, you do alter certain neurological patterns, and you do alter the structure, so to speak, of what you recognize as your molecular composition.

ANJULI: Ah, yes, I had this feeling. Oh great, I will continue to do that! (Chuckling) Then I can play a lot with my body. I mean, I can do with my body what I like. I can change it!

ELIAS: Yes, you may.

ANJULI: Other experiences that I had in that time, one was during a meditation course in India. We were listening in the evening to some Vedic chanting, and when listening to that I had an experience as if all the evenings in which I went to bed and listened to the Vedic chantings were there at once. I was kind of lying in a thousand beds at once.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

ANJULI: Is this about simultaneous time or what?

ELIAS: Partially, yes. It is an offering to yourself in experience, allowing you to be creating imagery that is symbolic of incorporating many, many, many focuses of attention simultaneously, the many YOUs of you.

ANJULI: Then time was feeling different, like for example I wanted to have a shower in the morning, and I suddenly had the feeling that the shower I had had in the day before, I have just had it. I started to feel so playful - well, just a little bit playful - because I think I didn't allow myself to fully enter into this playfulness. I was a little bit afraid or I had not enough knowledge, but it was a feeling that I can do anything. I do not need to be stuck into this experience of time that we are used to.

ELIAS: Correct, allowing yourself to move outside of the rules.

ANJULI: Yes! (Laughing) I love this a lot, you know! (Elias laughs)

It was similar with the room and the walls of the room I have been in, because I had the feeling that I am at the same time in another room that was bigger, and it was close to a feeling that the walls would disappear and I would be in this other room.

ELIAS: And in actuality, my friend, if you are so choosing you may transport yourself through the walls into another room.

ANJULI: Yes, that is what Ahmed and I want to do. We want to visit each other like that!

Oh, as I am mentioning him, I discovered when I listened to the tape that I had asked you twice to repeat his essence name "Ahmed," and in spite of that I got it wrong afterwards and told him the wrong essence name. I pronounced it like "Ajmed," and I got the J and the H mixed. I was wondering if I had a reason for that. I mean, everything has kind of a reason.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha! In a manner of speaking, yes. This is an expression of your perception, an example of what you create in the moment through your perception. (Pause)

This, my friend, is yet another example of no absolutes. I may offer an expression to you, and you may receive that energy and you may configure it differently within the expression of your perception.

ANJULI: I see! Okay, now I understand.

ELIAS: Therefore, it is not that you have created it wrong; you have merely created it different. Ha ha ha!

ANJULI: Well, anyway, we were amused about that! (Chuckling) Is he a designated final focus, too?

ELIAS: And express to me his impression.

ANJULI: Yes, he feels to be.

ELIAS: And once again I may express to you, this particular recognition of the position of each focus is one of the most obvious objective recognitions. I shall confirm that this is correct. But also allow yourselves to recognize and acknowledge that you do objectively know what you are creating and what you are expressing in essence. You merely discount yourselves and express that you do not know.

ANJULI: (Laughing) And that we need to ask Elias, and when we have his "correct" then we can be completely sure! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Correct! (Chuckles)

ANJULI: (Laughing) But we were quite sure, Elias!

ELIAS: Quite, and in this you reinforce your expression of trust within yourselves.

ANJULI: I have a question for Wynnett. She wants to know her color, and she has the feeling that it is turquoise or blue-green. (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes. This is what may be recognized as a dark hue of aqua.

ANJULI: Ah! Beautiful!

I have some questions for my friend. I talked about her during the last session. In the last session she had some questions about her essence and we did not know exactly what she meant, and you asked her to clarify her question.

ELIAS: Very well.

ANJULI: You are aware of this individual?


ANJULI: What is her essence name? (Slight pause)

ELIAS: Continue - what is the clarification?

ANJULI: She wants to know about her essence name and her essence family. This is what she wants to know about her essence, and if she is emotional and these things, as she has so far not asked. Or what did you require?

ELIAS: Very well, we shall incorporate this questioning. Let me initially express to you, in awareness of this individual there is an expression of energy which is questioning in another direction. But if this is the information that is being requested, this is acceptable. Essence name: Allie, A-L-L-I-E (AL lee). Essence family...

ANJULI: She thinks probably Ilda/Sumafi.

ELIAS: Reverse.

ANJULI: And she thinks she is emotional focused.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: She is considering that she is probably intermediate.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Oh! Then I understand her relationship to my intermediate brother-in-law. She was very interested about this session in which you talked about him. I will give her this session. And she thinks she is a final focus.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: When you said her questioning goes in a different direction, it is true, she has some questioning in some direction which I cannot put into words. We were talking on the phone quite often about that, and we then decided that she should have her own session with you. She still has a lot of questions about these inner talkings and all these kinds of things, and who is who. She feels your energy and another one, and she has lots of questions around that.

ELIAS: Correct. I am understanding, and you may offer my invitation.

ANJULI: Okay! She is reading your sessions daily. I am quite surprised about her. She jumped into it with enthusiasm! (Laughs) She loves the way you are relating with others, and I must say I agree with her fully! (Elias laughs) She will be so happy when I tell her that!

Then probably we go a little bit back to Ahmed and my relationship with him. We are different in many aspects, and yet we express it as feeling "twinly," kind of. He has the feeling he can look through me, and I through him, which is, I guess, because he is empathic and I am dispersed. But it is a very close feeling of...

ELIAS: Familiarity.

ANJULI: Oh, yes!


ANJULI: We are sharing many focuses together?


ANJULI: In other dimensions also many?


ANJULI: He feels for me somehow a bit similar to you. His way of bringing my experiences into words is quite similar to how you do it, so I am wondering about that.

ELIAS: The individual merely is allowing himself to be paying attention to the energy projection that you are expressing.

ANJULI: He is very, very interested in energy, and when his session comes up ... he is preparing his questions. I think he has many questions about energy.

So we have many focuses together, probably one in Ireland? We were dancing, kind of an Irish dance, happy, funny.

ELIAS: You are inquiring...

ANJULI: Is this correct? A shared focus we had together in Ireland?


ANJULI: It is probably around the time when this disaster with the Titanic was.

ELIAS: In your time framework, earlier.

ANJULI: So those focuses, those two, were not on the Titanic later?


ANJULI: Do I have a focus which was on the Titanic?

ELIAS: Yes, but it is not this focus that you are speaking of.

ANJULI: It is another one.


ANJULI: And this focus that was on the Titanic, did it survive and go to the USA? (Pause)


ANJULI: No, okay. Then I know my interest about the Titanic. Do you have a focus that was on the Titanic?


ANJULI: We had some playful mail exchange about my present focuses, so they brought themselves into my attention. For example, the Argentine focus ... well, I just talked with George about that, that in Argentina they speak Spanish. I remembered a few months ago, before he had his session, he wrote an email that he does not know how to translate "bleed-through" into Spanish, and I suggested to him to ask you about that. Now I was wondering if that suggestion coming from me to ask you about the Spanish translation of the word "bleed-through" has something to do with my Argentine focus!

ELIAS: As an influence, yes.

ANJULI: Is my Argentine focus reading the translations of George?

ELIAS: Not yet.

ANJULI: "Not yet" is a good answer! He will! (Laughs with Elias)
I told George I will try to make him read that, and then write George an email! (Elias laughs) With "I," I meant essence-me, because we talked about influencing of other focuses. So I could do anything, but from the subjective ... as I am essence, I can do with all of my focuses what I like!

ELIAS: You are correct.

ANJULI: When I had this word "bleed-through," does my Argentine focus have ... probably he has some bleed-through experience which is important for him.


ANJULI: Ah! Is he male?


ANJULI: Ah! (Laughs) Oh, George will like it!

Then we were talking about my American focus. I have two impressions, so I don't know exactly from where the one impression comes and from where the other. The one is a feeling of a man who is probably a journalist. My American focus of the present time, is he male? (Pause)


ANJULI: And is he a journalist?

ELIAS: No, although the individual does incorporate an interest in this type of activity.

ANJULI: So he is in this way watching events happening and all these kind of things?


ANJULI: I felt that during the last election in the USA. I had the feeling that he also has had some interest in the movie of the Titanic.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

ANJULI: This is because of our focus there.


ANJULI: Ah! Elias, that is so great! (Elias laughs) It's so much fun! They will now try to discover my USA focus. (Excitedly) You probably get sessions with people asking about all kinds of people. They want to discover that you will say, "Essence name, Miranda!" (Both are laughing) We are having fun, you know!

I have another impression of a focus that is probably American. But this was not ... it was more happening in dreams. I dreamt several times of a woman who is a social worker, and the feeling of the time is either now or probably a bit in the future. It is not a past feeling.

ELIAS: Let me express to you, your impression concerning a female individual that occupies the country of the United States is correct. The association that you are generating in relation to social worker is more concerning the type of personality of the individual. AND I may express to you that, if you are so choosing, you may be objectively presenting yourself in introduction to this individual, for I have expressed "essence name, Myranda."


ELIAS: There is another...

ANJULI: (Excitedly) In another session, in the past?

ELIAS: Yes, in what you term to be recent past. You may be inquiring of Michael.

ANJULI: Oh, I will, I will! Oh my goodness! Then she is also a focus of my essence?

ELIAS: You are of each other, for you are the same essence.

ANJULI: Then I have two focuses in the Unites States!

ELIAS: Yes. (Pause)

ANJULI: So I have the Argentine focus, I have two in the United States of this time framework, and then the one you said is in Nepal.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: That is exciting! The one in Nepal, is this a male focus? (Pause)


ANJULI: I got two impressions, and I had the feeling that I got mixed up. If she is female, then I got probably mixed up with her husband or something like that?

ELIAS: Ah, yes.

ANJULI: I have the impression from her that she is not necessarily traveling to other countries, but her husband probably is or has been?

ELIAS: At times.

ANJULI: Has he been in India?


ANJULI: Ah, I see. Now I have a lot to investigate in the next days.

Then we come ... oh, the time is running! I will need another session with you, I see! (Laughs)

ELIAS: Very well, my friend!

ANJULI: Yes! But we still fortunately have some minutes left. Do we have a future focus in Paris?

ELIAS: Do I or do you?

ANJULI: You! I have probably been then there, too. It was a dream.

ELIAS: I do not incorporate a future focus in Paris.

ANJULI: This dream I had was either not with you, but it felt quite like your energy, or it was not about another focus. It was another kind of dream - it was probably a dream about the energy exchanges of us?

ELIAS: Yes, and this is the association that you have created in relation to that location.

ANJULI: This dream was an important dream. It triggered my entire writings about Inmi and Runi.

ELIAS: I am understanding. (Pause)

ANJULI: I have had a few other dreams about attending classes about consciousness themes, about spiritual things, and they were all quite similar, me attending the classes and the teacher there. The energy between me and him was also like the one with the dream, this Paris dream. So has this also been you?


ANJULI: I like the way how you ... how I dream of you! (Elias laughs) You are a very specific kind of teacher. When I dream of you then it is always you are the teacher for me, and you explain to me that there is not a relationship of teacher and student.

ELIAS: Quite. (Chuckles)

ANJULI: And you are VERY creative in telling me that!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! (Humorously) I am ALWAYS quite creative!

ANJULI: Yes, you are! I know! That is really true!

Then I guess we had some focuses together?


ANJULI: On Earth probably not so many, as I don't have so many focuses on Earth.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: And you have many focuses on Earth?


ANJULI: We thought so. In your sessions have they already been talking about your final focus, which was the final one of you?


ANJULI: Then I will ask them.

ELIAS: Very well.

ANJULI: Did we have some focuses as brother and sister?


ANJULI: One? (Pause) In Norway?

ELIAS: Sweden.

ANJULI: As father and daughter? (Pause)


ANJULI: Okay, I will look into the other ones.

One question came up in me because of ... do you have something to do with the individual in Russia that is called Rasputin?


ANJULI: With Rebazar, the Tibetan master?


ANJULI: I have had throughout my life several bird imageries. We had a bird with a blue color in my childhood that was very important for me. I guess this is a creation for a reminder of my Borledim alignment, and probably also it is about the essence of Rose?


ANJULI: And that it has a blue color has something to do with you!


ANJULI: Later I had for a few years experiences of birds daily coming and picking on my window. This is a similar creation, wants me to alert somehow on...

ELIAS: Merely imagery that you are presenting to yourself in familiarizing yourself with these essences, as you moved in the direction of creating this interaction that you engage now.

ANJULI: Ah, ja! Then I had a dream that felt very futurely. It was about a lake and many individuals, many humans gathering together, and thousands and thousands of birds coming down, and an intense feeling of happiness. I have the feeling that this dream was about the completion of the shift or had something to do with the shift?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

ANJULI: Ah, beautiful! (Pause)

You sometimes mentioned that I have, also like in my writings or something, a connection with other essences, non-physical essences like you are?


ANJULI: I once had a dream in which I was on a starship. I had a piece of paper, and somebody said in my ear that there are some powerful essences helping me or communicating with me and suggested to me that I should write down the name of one of them for to remember it when I wake up. The name of the essence which I then wrote down was Ormal or Ormalwen. (Pause)

ELIAS: What you are offering to yourself is a translation, but in actuality the identification of the essence is Ordin.

ANJULI: Ordin?

ELIAS: Correct. You may also enquire of Michael concerning this essence.

ANJULI: As I am sometimes asking at the end those questions which are important for me, I asked you about that Runi sees something in Inmi, and I had said that she does not know what exactly. I also don't know but I have a feeling, and you said it is about familiarity. I thought about that again, and there are some more impressions of what she sees, but it is difficult for me to translate that. It is as if there is something about you and what you are for some dimensions, what you do there or what you mean for them, or you expand into something, or what ... it is difficult for me to express because it is more a feeling.

ELIAS: I am understanding. This is your association with an other-dimensional focus.

ANJULI: Of you?

ELIAS: Yes, but you also participate in that dimension.

ANJULI: Then this is what I am calling "collecting patterns" for this focus of you? Some energy, or something what I am doing?

ELIAS: You are attempting to translate information concerning this other-dimensional focus into known expressions within this dimensional focus, and it does not quite translate accurately. There is an interaction of manipulation of energy in a manner that may appear to you in this dimension to exhibit patterns. It is more of an action of reconstructing energy expressions.

I may be acknowledging of you, for you are offering yourself information concerning not merely this focus, but other expressions or other aspects of you as essence, which offers you an awareness of the expansiveness of yourself.

ANJULI: In the future I will have more questions about impressions which I get about my writings. Here is a short one: Runi and Inmi are living in a place with three cities which are built in a triangle, and they have something in the center of the triangle of the cities like a pyramid or a building in the center. Is this existing, or is this from another dimension where we have focuses?


ANJULI: Is this about those two focuses which we mentioned?

ELIAS: Yes, although it is not a construct which is familiar to you within this dimension.

ANJULI: This dimension with these three cities, do they have the experience that they are in two dimensions? I translated it as if they sometimes see this kind of sun and sometimes another kind of sun, and sometimes they call their dimension in a certain way and other times in another way. The focus which is you is aware of both of them.

ELIAS: Yes, but this is not in actuality an expression of two dimensions. This is the expression of reconfiguring energy in that dimension. This is a translation that you are creating.

ANJULI: I will explore more!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! Very well!

ANJULI: That hour was so fast! I had thought I would kind of make three hours of it, but it was shorter than an hour! (Both laugh) Elias, it is always such a joy to talk with you!

ELIAS: And you also, my friend, and we shall continue to do so.

ANJULI: Yes! Oh, now I remember another question I forgot! Did you make some tingling in my ear recently?

ELIAS: Yes, merely for your noticing.

ANJULI: Yes, I noticed! It was the one which I am using when I am on the phone with you! (Elias laughs) Okay, I will keep the other questions.

ELIAS: Very well. As always I offer great affection to you, and anticipate playfulness in energy between us.

ANJULI: I love you so much, Elias!

ELIAS: To you in tremendous lovingness, my friend, au revoir.

ANJULI: Au revoir!

Elias departs at 3:47 PM.

(1) Note from Anjuli: I talked with Mary after the session and she told me that this is Leslie/Myranda, and that she had participated in the recent group session in Connecticut. Mary gave me Leslie/Myranda's email address, and I wrote her an email. Since then we are in regular email contact and also have experiences of "running around as both focuses of Myranda." We talk about some of those experiences in other upcoming sessions.

I love our mail exchanges. Interesting for me is that in the first two months after knowing of each other we usually called each other by our focus names and then naturally shifted into using the essence names in our mails. When we now write to each other the mails start with something like "Dearest Myranda" and end with "much, much love, from Myranda" or other expressions of our love for each other. The experience of communicating objectively with a present focus in this way, a focus which also experiences no veils between focus and essence and focus and focus, is really overwhelming. I could continue endlessly with expressing my love for Leslie and for our joy about having created this, but for now just want to point out something else.

In my session #929, held on October 18, I talked with Elias about "squeezing" time and creating having my session with Elias more quickly, but this did not happen as I created a rescheduling of my session. Then in the beginning of this session, #952, Elias said about my experience of creating that "squeezed" time session being rescheduled, "And you have allowed yourself to create both!" (a subjective session with him and an objective one). What I actually had generated was creating to participate in a group session and having a private session in physical proximity on October 28 (Leslie's session #942) through my other focus, and she is creating having sessions through me. I love to create sessions with Elias through both of our focuses! It provides Leslie/Myranda and me with an objective example of how all focuses of each essence within consciousness play a colorful game of oneness in their various explorations.

Thank you, my dear love Leslie/Myranda, for playing like this with me. To know of our objective friendship and of our continued subjective support of each other has helped me often during challenges and makes all of my games in this dimension even more delightful. Intimacy with self is such a joy!

(2) Ordin is one of the 12 essences interacting and lending energy in helpfulness to the accomplishment of this energy exchange between Mary and Elias.