Session 1347


“Dreams and Meditations”
“Mythological Gods”
“An Exercise in Trust in Buying a Car”

Saturday, May 17, 2003 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Paul (Paneus)

Elias arrives at 1:10 PM. (Arrival time is 13 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

PAUL: Good afternoon, Elias! How are you?

ELIAS: As always, and yourself?

PAUL: Great! (Elias laughs) Are you ready for some questions?

ELIAS: Very well.

PAUL: I’m gonna ask you about a dream I had with you this past Wednesday night. From what I recall of the dream, you were speaking through other people besides Mary. It was like Mary wasn’t there. There were other people and you were communicating through several others. I asked you three times about a comment that you made toward me, I believe, with the word “dispersedness.” You finally said that I already know the meaning. I wonder if you could explain that a little bit further. Were you communicating to me or was I just using you as a symbol in my dream?

ELIAS: Both. I was interactive in an energy expression, but you also were incorporating your own imagery in association with that energy exchange.

Now; I may express to you, first of all, that the imagery of myself communicating through other individuals is imagery that you presented to yourself in relation to my interaction with many individuals, which is a direct exchange of energy and not an objective interaction of conversation, such as you engage in this type of an expression now.

Now; I am interactive with all of you continuously, but not in this same manner. You offered that imagery to yourself as a confirmation that I am interactive with you also and that if you are paying attention and expressing an openness, you may also notice my energy and allow yourself to interact more objectively.

The word that you offered to yourself also is associated with this action. In dispersing my energy, I am incorporating an action in which I may project my attention in many, many, many different directions simultaneously, therefore allowing myself to be interactive with many individuals simultaneously.

PAUL: Ah, now that makes sense. I thought that dispersedness had something to do with me, but it’s dealing with your energy to others.

ELIAS: Correct, of which you are also a participant.

PAUL: In the dream, there was a discussion going on about avoiding this evil force. I know there’s no such thing as good and evil in truth, but it felt like we had to avoid something that was the best word I can use is evil. I can’t remember if it was mentioned by you or just the others. I’m wondering what the evil force symbolized.

ELIAS: This is your symbolization of the trauma that is associated with this shift, which may be in some manners translated in an association of evil forces, if you will, although they are not; but given your beliefs and what you incorporate as expressed beliefs, some choices and actions may be viewed in that manner.

PAUL: So we can still avoid the trauma of the shift.

ELIAS: Yes. This is a choice. But those individuals that choose to be interactive with myself in this forum are individuals that are choosing to request information to avoid trauma associated with this shift in consciousness.

PAUL: Like me.

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: So I’m on the path to avoid the trauma.

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: Well, good! Then the dream had a shift to it, where I was in my bedroom and I was waking up, and there was another guy or a couple of guys in my room. It was almost like they were in my bed but not quite. I remember I got up with my dog to flee the bedroom, but as I opened one door to get out of my bedroom, there was another door and I had to unlock that one to get through it, and then another door. I went through either three or four doors before I finally got out of my bedroom and escaped with my dog. What was the meaning of the multiple doors?

ELIAS: And your impression?

PAUL: Oh, I knew I was going to get to one of those! (Elias laughs) Persistence or patience? Also the doors being a gateway...

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: ...to adapt or adopt other beliefs, and passing through this gateway to these other beliefs.

ELIAS: Not necessarily associated with different beliefs, but your impression as to a gateway, so to speak, is correct. This is also associated with different aspects of yourself and movement that you generate. The other individuals within your room are other focuses of you. Therefore, they are you, but they are different aspects of you.

Now; confronting yourself with these other expressions of yourself temporarily generated a disturbance, and this is the reason that you expressed this response to flee. But the imagery of the doors and consecutively unlocking each door and moving through it to accomplish your eventual outcome is symbolization that you have offered to yourself in relation to obstacles that may be set before you to move through, so to speak, to accomplish what you want.

Now; there is some association with beliefs but not in the manner of changing them, so to speak, but rather unlocking them and therefore allowing yourself, figuratively speaking, to move through them. That moving through would be an action of recognition, identification, a realization of their affectingness, and ultimately accepting.

PAUL: The feeling of wanting to flee, or fear, why was I...? These were other focuses of mine?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: What were they doing in my bedroom? (Laughs)

ELIAS: You were merely presenting to yourself other aspects of yourself, but it is also quite understandable that you generated the response that you did, for many times individuals may be moving into an action of confronting themselves with other focuses that may be disturbing to them in association with their beliefs now. At times, if individuals move what you may term to be too close to another focus, this incorporates the potential to be threatening to your individual identity, and threat generates fear.

PAUL: So these other focuses of me, did they initiate the close encounter or did I?

ELIAS: You.

PAUL: Okay and then for some reason, since I had them here too close to me, I felt threatened.

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: I don’t even know who they are! (Both laugh) Were they from the future? The reason I’m asking is because one had a funny looking hand. It had a redness on it and almost looked like a claw.

ELIAS: Not necessarily future, but some focuses within this dimension and some within other dimensions.

PAUL: That would explain maybe the strange hand on the one.

ELIAS: Yes, and also at times, with many individuals, generates an expression of fear in viewing other-dimensional focuses, for they are unfamiliar.

PAUL: Like I said, I couldn’t tell if there was just one or three in my bedroom. When I recalled, they looked the same except that one individual had a funny hand. Again, it was a feeling of this evil force that I had to escape. That’s why I went through those doors and followed my dog through a maze of areas to get out.

Then there was a closing dream the same night, where you were dressed up in disguise or camouflage in some type of Bedouin or Arab dress, and you were being confronted. I remember I came by with my dog and intervened somehow to scare off the attackers. What was that symbolism of, or was that a glimpse of a past focus?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: Past focus?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: What was going on with you and what was I doing and what was my dog doing there? (Laughs) I want to say it was in what we’d probably call modern day Sudan, and for some reason you were I want to say in disguise.

ELIAS: (Chuckling) Which would not be unusual! But I may express to you that this would be identified as a past focus.

PAUL: Were you doing something special there? Was that your regular garb, if you will, or were you trying to do something else and thus being in disguise?

ELIAS: Ah! Shady deals! I have incorporated a preference for generating focuses within your physical dimension that incorporate a colorfulness, shall we say, and somewhat questionable character! Ha ha ha!

PAUL: Why was I intervening to save you then?

ELIAS: Now; this is the question. Express to myself what you are presenting to yourself in this imagery. What is your impression?

PAUL: Without being literal, it was trying to prevent you from being overwhelmed, I guess, in the symbology or symbolic form. I thought you were being not to say threatened, necessarily, for your life, but you were being overwhelmed by too many people.

ELIAS: And what do you view that you are expressing in this action?

PAUL: Dispersing some of the congestion.

ELIAS: No. Assuming personal responsibility.

PAUL: On my behalf?

ELIAS: Yes. (Paul sighs) Doing an action — attempting to rescue —motivated by expressing personal responsibility for another individual’s choices and situation in the disguise of helpfulness. Therefore, you recognize your symbology in your imagery.

PAUL: I gotta think about that one. (Elias chuckles) Let me go on to another one, unless you want to say something more.

ELIAS: Very well.

PAUL: When I meditate, I meditate laying down not sitting up. Often when my alarm goes off ending the meditation or I wake up, I get this feeling of lightheadedness and I’ll stay dizzy for sometimes as much as an hour or so after waking up. What is that symbolism? Am I immersing myself into another area and it’s lowering my energy level and therefore I’m off-balance and dizzy?

ELIAS: Actually, I may express to you, what you are engaging in that action is a partial removal of your awareness from your body consciousness. Therefore, as you re-merge that awareness with your body consciousness, you also generate what may termed to be an adjustment time framework in which you are synchronizing your body consciousness with your objective awareness.

PAUL: There’s no concern or threat? It’s okay to keep doing this though, right?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: In the state when I meditate, right before I get out of the meditation, I have had repeated views of forms of writing — some seem like ancient Greek on a vase, sometimes on sheets of paper. It’s been writing, words, but I can’t seem to get a clear enough focus to read what the message is. Is this a singular message that I’m seeing, or is this multiple messages being sent to me from another focus of mine?

ELIAS: Neither. It is a dream trigger.

PAUL: So I’m seeing these dream triggers in my meditation?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: And the dream trigger is writing?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: Why am I seeing them during meditation?

ELIAS: For you allow yourself to objectively remember and interpret more easily.

PAUL: So, I see this writing and I should be able to use this to go back in. If I focus on the writing trigger, the dream trigger, I can go back in and view other focuses in other realities.

ELIAS: If you are so choosing, yes.

PAUL: It’s supposed to make it easier by focusing on the trigger, right?

ELIAS: It is a portal. Therefore, in moving into the dream trigger, you move into a portal in which you may move in many different directions.

PAUL: I know water is my other big dream trigger.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: Right before meditation, to go through this portal easier, I should focus on one of my dream triggers.

ELIAS: If you are so choosing. This is a method, yes.

PAUL: I haven’t tried that one yet.

What can you tell me about this dream I had? I was climbing this stone structure; it almost looked like a chimney because at the bottom was red-hot fire going through it. I was some type of sorceress, who was eventually betrayed by this woman who had some type of headdress with horns on it. She cut out the brain of some other individual that was near to me or something like that and was trying to force either others or me to eat slices of the brain. I know this was a past focus. Was this my Egyptian focus or my Aztec focus?

ELIAS: Neither. It is another focus.

PAUL: Wow. Pray tell, who? I was a sorceress, right?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: Boy, the time frame, I’m trying to figure out... All I can think of was the stone structure did lead up to a different area, which seemed other-worldly. Can you give me a hint on the civilization that I was involved with?

ELIAS: Not necessarily what you would term to be a civilization, but more associated with a tribe in the area of what you recognize as Romania.

PAUL: That’s cool. So I was betrayed by this woman with horns, right?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: Did she cut out the brain of me or another person who was close to me?

ELIAS: Another individual, in association with ritual and the belief that the consumption of that organ would bring enlightenment.

PAUL: I had the ability to levitate, if I remember correctly, in that dream.

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: I would say that this is pretty ancient. It was probably somewhere in the BC timeframe, not the AD timeframe. Is that right?

ELIAS: Through the lifespan of these individuals, I may identify to you that it is both.

PAUL: Oh, they crossed over, right around 0 AD, huh? (Laughs)

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: Interesting. I may have to research that one. There’s got to be some type of records on tribes in Romania in that timeframe.

Elias, I have a tendency when I try to relax and speak words, there’s two sets of words. The first set is wah-KAN-uh-hay and the other one is min-KAH-tah. I’m trying to peg where they’re coming from or what type of focus, like Indian.

ELIAS: These are what you term to be Native American words, and you may in actuality research this and offer yourself identification of their definitions. They are both Native American words.

PAUL: Okay. I can maybe look that up.

Here’s one about my dog. My dog a lot of times will sit on the couch or sleep on the couch when I’m watching TV late at night, and every so often he’ll pop up and suddenly look over at me, even though there was nothing that would have disturbed him. I’m wondering if you could tell me what he is thinking when he pops up and suddenly looks over at me.

ELIAS: It is not associated with what the creature is thinking, but what it is noticing.

Now; let me express to you, creatures are quite open and aware of energy expressions, not merely with yourselves but also energy expressions of essences in general. Therefore, they also are responsive to energy expressions of individuals that they interact with and of any essence that may be present, so to speak, within your space arrangement and projecting energy. They also are aware of energy deposits in different locations and many times shall be responsive to those energy deposits also.

Now; in association with this particular action, as the creature notices a fluctuation in your energy, it gains its attention and it responds in looking at you. In a manner of speaking, the creature is merely checking your energy expression.

PAUL: When my energy fluctuated, was that a sign of him being worried or just noticing?

ELIAS: Not worried, merely noticing.

PAUL: Why was I fluctuating? Because it happens often.

ELIAS: This actually is an action that occurs frequently, not merely with yourself but with most individuals within your physical reality. Your energy fluctuates in association with many different expressions and stimulus. In the moments in which your energy is constant, the creature is non-responsive. In the moments in which your energy fluctuates, the creature responds merely by noticing.

PAUL: So my fluctuation is not caused by any type of shift going on, it’s just a random fluctuation — not random, a regular fluctuation.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: I had a dream a while back and in that dream I was asked what my income is. I mentioned $165,000 as my income, which it’s not today! (Both laugh) Was this a probable reality of something I will attain? Why did I mention I was making that larger salary?

ELIAS: In association with a want. Offering yourself this type of imagery reinforces your recognition of yourself that you incorporate the ability to generate that, even if you view that objectively to be unlikely in association with your beliefs. You are offering yourself this type of imagery to communicate to yourself that you do actually incorporate the ability to generate that type of expression.

PAUL: I understand that. I’m walking down a path to allow myself to be that, have that.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: (Laughs) Let me ask you something. I am on the path to achieve that today?

ELIAS: This is the direction that you are moving into now, yes.

PAUL: That path I’m on, is the key element that will achieve that income going to be attributable to my consulting, my writing or something else?

ELIAS: Both of these actions.

PAUL: They’re both so slow to take off, I tell ya! (Elias chuckles) I don’t know if I need to get a cattle prod to give them some further emphasis!

One night before I fell asleep, I sneezed real hard, which is not really unusual, and later I had a recurring cough that lasted about an hour. I thought well, maybe it’s just the moisture and the dampness in the air, because we had a big heavy rain the previous day and a half, but I was thinking later on that this was symbolic to myself of something else.

ELIAS: And your impression?

PAUL: Shifting, some type of recognition of a shifting. I had read some time ago where Mary was doing a session with you and another individual and she coughed so hard she took herself out of the session. The cough was representing a strong recognition of the energy exchange.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: So this was an energy exchange I was having with whom?

ELIAS: No. Your recall of that incident is correct, but in association with yourself the action is associated with shifting your energy in relation to communications.

PAUL: Communication with myself?

ELIAS: With yourself and with other individuals.

PAUL: So the coughing, was that an attempt at communication with a given focus of mine or just in general?

ELIAS: With yourself now, in association with communication. What you affected was your blue energy center, which directs communication.

PAUL: So this is a good thing, right?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking. (Chuckles)

PAUL: It was going on for about an hour and I almost thought I should get up and get some cough medicine. Shortly after that it stopped and I fell asleep.

I have a picture of a Japanese warrior or samurai in my basement that I got from my aunt many years ago after she died. I’m wondering, since it’s hanging in my basement and there’s no coincidences in this world, if that picture is a past focus of mine.

ELIAS: The picture is not an actual focus of you, but it is significant for you do incorporate a focus, a past focus, as a samurai.

PAUL: I will have to investigate that one.

When we talk about mythology and the gods — and I’ve talked to several other Elias forum members — I’m still puzzled. Are the gods real or are they a strictly symbolic representation in past focuses of individuals?

ELIAS: Both.

PAUL: So they can be both.

ELIAS: Yes, for these individuals that may be presented within your mythologies are real but are not participants in your physical dimension. The knowledge of them that has been communicated or written into stories is acquired as an inspiration from bleed-through from these other focuses in other physical dimensions which are quite real, but they are not expressed in YOUR physical dimension.

Now; there are also actual individuals within your physical dimension that, in a manner of speaking, mimic those focuses within other dimensions, for they tap into a bleed-through of energy and are inspired to create similar scenarios within the design of your dimension. It may not be entirely the same for it is a different dimension, but they may mimic some of the qualities or the expressions of those other focuses.

PAUL: Understood. Elias, with that discussion, was I Odin from Norse mythology?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: I knew that one. I felt pretty confident about that one. I have lot of buzzwords I use as him.

I wanted to comment about my acid reflux that I haven’t set aside if you will. I wanted to describe it symbolically, what my body consciousness is communicating to me.

ELIAS: Very well.

PAUL: What comes up is unsettled, not wanting to digest or accept a given situation, and desire to reverse objective scene or event.

ELIAS: Correct! I am acknowledging of you.

PAUL: Well, thank you! (Elias laughs) Now, if I acknowledge that and I’m aware of that, I want my body consciousness to say okay, you’re hearing and listening, I’m going to start letting up on this signal.

ELIAS: Ah! But remember, it is not merely the action of acknowledging and recognizing but also engaging action of choice.

PAUL: Give myself choice and recognize that I have choices all the time.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: I try! I shouldn’t say the word “try” — I’m aware of it! (Both laugh) I’ll see all the choices; I’m aware that I should be having choices. Maybe I’ll comment about that after a minute here.

Let me buzz over to I asked you if I was a famous military leader, and you gave me the timeframe. Looking at about thirty different figures that I read about, there’s two that stick out that I think could be a past focus. I’ll say it will be either Cromwell or Wallenstein.

ELIAS: The second individual.

PAUL: Wallenstein?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: Cool. Works for me! (Elias laughs)

I want to get back to buying a BMW car. I understand my finances have not sprouted up to where they’ll be — yet — but I know they’ll be there soon. If I go out and buy this BMW car next week, can I count on myself not to drop my finances below their present level?

ELIAS: Can you?

PAUL: (Laughs) Oh, I know I should be able to! This is a message of trust, and I’m just...

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: I just have this fear. It’s not like I’m going skydiving where I can recognize the fear. I don’t have this fear of getting hurt or being killed like when I skydive. I have this fear of if I spend $40,000 on a car, my savings will be down very low and I don’t want to see it that low. I want to see some finances pop in before I go out and buy the car.

ELIAS: A tremendous exercise in trust, is it not?

PAUL: It’s a huge one! (Elias chuckles) So you’re telling me that I can trust myself if I go out and buy the car next week that I will not let myself run low on finances?

ELIAS: You can. Now the question is, will you? That is the exercise in trust.

PAUL: Will I go buy it or will I run low on finances?

ELIAS: Will you trust yourself once you acquire it to generate what you want, or will you express anxiety and generate fear and subsequently generate what you do not want?

PAUL: (Laughs) Oh! Well, like I said, I don’t want to go out and buy that car unless I have...

ELIAS: I shall express to you, you do incorporate the ability. It is a question of whether you engage it or not. It is not that you cannot accomplish that — you can — but it is a matter of WILL you. Will you pay attention to yourself? Will you notice if you begin to doubt and question yourself? And will you, in that noticing, stop questioning and trust yourself? It is not a matter of whether you can or not, for you can.

PAUL: (Laughs) I feel like I’m taking a blind leap sometimes. That’s the reason why I said I’ll wait for the money to come first before I go acquire the car. That’s what I’ve been doing the last few months.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) It is merely a matter of whether you choose to be engaging yourself in this exercise in trust or not!

PAUL: I have this... I am afraid. (Laughs)

ELIAS: I am aware! And I am not expressing to you that it is better or worse to engage the action or not to engage the action, for it is not a matter of better or worse. What it is a matter of is paying attention to yourself, not overwhelming yourself, recognizing your beliefs, recognizing the influence of your beliefs and the strength of that influence, and choosing actions that allow you to accomplish the outcome that you want without trauma and overwhelming yourself.

PAUL: So I could be forcing my energy to go out and buy the car next week if I don’t relax and follow the clues.

ELIAS: It is possible. This is what is significant, that you pay attention to your own communications and that you pay attention to identifying your expressed beliefs and how they influence you. For if you are recognizing your expressed beliefs and you are aware of their influence, you also offer yourself choice and therefore may express trusting yourself more easily. But if you are not aware of your expressed beliefs and you are not aware of their influence, you generate an obstacle and you express much more potential to be moving in automatic responses and not trusting yourself.

PAUL: I may have to build up my stamina a little bit first! (Elias laughs) Okay, I know I’m making progress every day.

ELIAS: And so you are!

PAUL: I had a dream — this is probably more for Mary’s benefit, I don’t know — some weeks ago, maybe a month ago, and I saw you stepping on or stomping on Mary’s foot in a form of anger, like you were upset with something that she was doing. I’m sure this is a symbolic aspect in my dream. I was wondering what that symbolism represented, because it was sort of puzzling to me.

ELIAS: And your impression?

PAUL: When it first happened, I did not know what the symbolism could be. About a week later Mary announced that she increased her rates for what she charged people for sessions, and I thought that maybe that was your response to her desire to increase rates. But I understand that there’s no such thing as good or bad and that probably wasn’t the right symbolism anymore. That’s why I’m sort of struggling to figure out the symbolic aspect of that action.

ELIAS: Now; I shall express to you that your presentment to yourself of this imagery is not associated with Michael’s choice to be incorporating this change.

PAUL: That’s right. That I sort of figured out later on, yes.

ELIAS: For in actuality, this matters not. What you have presented to yourself is imagery which is quite creative, actually, for Michael at times incorporates a stubbornness, and in that stubbornness at times temporarily creates obstacles in his movement. At times, in association with that action, I do offer energy expressions to Michael, which he is not necessarily receptive to consistently.

Now; the reason that you have presented this symbology to yourself is that you incorporate a similar expression. At times you also generate a stubbornness in which you prevent yourself from incorporating helpfulness from other expressions, be it myself or other individuals.

PAUL: I do, huh? (Both laugh) Why am I being stubborn? I don’t know, I’m trying to be open to the...

ELIAS: I have expressed this occurs “at times,” not continuously. But it is worthy of your noticing in the moments that you may be incorporating that stubbornness.

PAUL: Ernst, the World War I pilot — I want to get back to this because I’m doing research slowly and I’m seeking another clue. I’ll recap. My focus as Ernst Hess took on a new identity of Hermann Vallendor, and then somehow later disengaged or died during the war, correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: You mentioned that there is a crossover of the two identities, and I have been puzzled. I mean, I got some clues from the standpoint that Vallendor always looked to the side and never straight at a picture, like he doesn’t want to be revealing his true identity by showing his face.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: That is a clue. But his records show that he was in the army in 1915 or 1916, and that would put him there at a different time than Hess. The overlap has been puzzling to me. I guess I’m seeking a clue to clear up the overlap.

ELIAS: Continue your investigation and listen to your impressions. You shall offer yourself the answer, so to speak. It is a puzzle!

PAUL: It is! I’ve been really pursuing it! (Elias laughs)

Let me ask you something. You mentioned a while back that I would be getting information about the building of the sphinx — who built it, when and how it was built type of situation on the sphinx. Will I be finding this via my own research or will someone else discover it and publish the information publicly?

ELIAS: You shall be incorporating this information in the same manner that you shall be generating the information to your puzzle with the other focus, in an incorporation of your own exploration and information and your impressions.

PAUL: So because it’s a puzzle, I don’t think... I’ll be one of the first ones to discover the true nature of the sphinx, then, publicly?

ELIAS: If you are so choosing. You can.

PAUL: One of the other Elias forum members wanted to know if I had a past focus as Sineus, the third brother of Rurik.

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: I don’t even know who that is! I guess I’ll have to look into that one. (Elias chuckles) I do like the Vikings. I guess that would be perfectly fine because that’s a Viking-heritage focus.

I’ve got about a little over two minutes here. Another person mentioned that they saw me or got an impression of me as St. Thomas Aquinas.

ELIAS: Observing essence.

PAUL: Let’s see. I see a lot of falcons and crows outside when I’m running or driving by in a car. Those are creations of mine in essence, in symbolic form to me. When I see the falcon or the hawk, is that a specific symbol that my essence is giving to me? What does that symbol represent?

ELIAS: Freedom.

PAUL: Freedom to make my own choices, right?

ELIAS: Yes, and in general — freedom of yourself to be generating what you want in relation to your preferences and the freedom to be expressive of yourself without limitations.

PAUL: I want! (Laughs) You mentioned preferences before, too, pay attention to my preferences. Is that pay attention to what I am creating or what I want?

ELIAS: Preferences are preferred beliefs. Therefore in recognizing your preferences, you may move more easily in creating what you want, for you generate less hindrance and less thickness, so to speak, in relation to your preferences.

PAUL: For my intent, my intent is that it matters not, you know, that it’s not what we do in life...

ELIAS: Ah! I have NOT expressed this! This is a distortion. I am not expressing to any of you that it matters not what you do. I incorporate this statement in association with judgment and the incorporation of a lack of judgment, not that what you do does not matter.

PAUL: Oh. Because I was wondering that if it matters not, I could theoretically sit on my behind and still achieve value fulfillment. (Laughs)

ELIAS: This is correct, for whatever you are generating within your focus is in some manner associated with your intent and is generating your value fulfillment. Were it not, you would choose to be disengaging and move to a different experience.

PAUL: Elias, let me ask you one thing and then I gotta end the call for the time. When I’m sitting there watching TV after I eat a late dinner and I’ve had a couple beers and a few cigarettes, a lot of times I’ll nod off for a brief period of time on the couch. This is happening almost every evening. Rather than just being sleepy from that food and the drink and maybe the smoking, is that something else going on than I’m nodding off for that 15 or 20 minutes?

ELIAS: You are allowing yourself a time framework of relaxation, and in this you are allowing yourself a temporary brief time framework in which you, in that relaxation, move your attention to your subjective awareness.

PAUL: I do? I sure don’t get any impressions when I get out of it!

ELIAS: Many times in moving your attention to your subjective awareness and not paying attention to your objective awareness, you may not necessarily offer yourself any images or associations.

PAUL: So this is good?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAUL: I should continue to foster that type of action, then?

ELIAS: It is a choice.

PAUL: (Laughs) It will benefit me by doing this?

ELIAS: All of what you generate benefits you, my friend.

PAUL: Well, Elias, we are now out of time. Is there anything you want to say, any parting words of wisdom?

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! To pay attention!

PAUL: I will look for helpful prodding from you.

ELIAS: Very well! And I shall offer it.

PAUL: That’s a deal. (Both laugh) Elias, it’s been a great pleasure, as always.

ELIAS: And to you also, my friend, and I may express to you my continuation of support with you and my expression of playful energy to you.

PAUL: Thank you, Elias.

ELIAS: In this, my friend, I express to you my great affection. Au revoir.

PAUL: Bye, Elias.

Elias departs at 2:17 PM.