Session 730

“Answering Your Own Questions”
“Exploring Dream Triggers”
“Reflections of Self”

Saturday, November 25, 2000 (Private/Phone)
Participants:  Mary (Michael), Joanne (Gildae), and Marj (Grady).
Elias arrives at 2:56 p.m. (Arrival time is 21 seconds)

ELIAS:  Good afternoon!

BOTH:  Good afternoon! (Elias chuckles)

MARJ:  Nice to talk to you again!

ELIAS:  And how shall we proceed this day?

MARJ:  Well, I thought instead of saying ... this is Grady.  I was thinking perhaps instead of asking you how you are, I might ask you how I am!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha ha!  And I shall turn the inquiry to you and express, how ARE you? (Grinning)

MARJ:  Well, I think I’m traveling on down the road towards becoming!

ELIAS:  (Laughing)  And I shall correct you in this and express that you already ARE becoming!

MARJ:  Oh, I know that!

I have one quick question, if I may, about this election that we’re having here now, and all the problems surrounding it.  I know it’s a mass event.  My impression is that possibly these two major players have an agreement to pursue this, so we can really see that we do not have enough power with the people — we have too much with government and courts and the like.  Is that possible?

ELIAS:  In a manner of speaking, but not precisely.  You are moving in the direction of recognizing some of the elements of the expression of this mass event.

In this, it is not the expression that there is not enough power within the people or that there is too much power within the expression of the government, but that you are offering yourselves an example en masse of duplicity, and how you deny YOURSELVES your own individual empowerment, in a manner of speaking, by denying yourselves your individual choices.

As to these two individuals that you identify as the focal points, as the politicians, yes, they are in agreement to be participating as the focal points.  But beyond that, this is genuinely a mass event in which you are all participating equally and you are all creating the scenario.  It is not these two individuals that are creating this scenario or orchestrating it, but that you all each are orchestrating it.  You are each players in this mass event in equal measure.

MARJ:  Okay.  That makes sense.

ELIAS:  This offers you a clear example, in objective imagery and movement, of this wave in consciousness addressing to duplicity and many different aspects of this particular belief system of duplicity.

It offers you the opportunity to view how easily and automatically you view yourselves as victims.

It offers you a clear example of how you genuinely believe that other individuals or institutions hold the power to dictate your choices, and therefore you once again become victim, for you are not creating your choices.

It offers you the opportunity to view the divisions that are created, inwardly AND outwardly, in the expressions of duplicity and the judgments that are created.

It also offers you clear, objective evidence in imagery of the change that is occurring in individual and mass and societal expressions, as you continue to insert this shift into your objective reality.

I have expressed that you are redefining your reality, and so you are!  And in this, I have also expressed, it is not merely viewed within the context of the individual that you may observe this shift in consciousness, but en masse and in your governments, in your societies throughout your world, you shall view and are viewing the alteration and redefining of your reality, individually and en masse.

This particular mass event offers in example, in what you view to be outside of yourselves as your government, a clear reflection of what you create within yourselves individually.

MARJ:  That is so fascinating, Elias.  I just wonder, when some people get so upset, I think oh my god, we’re not gonna have a big fight over this, are we?

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  And shall you move in the direction of that type of conflict, in even physical expressions, you shall continue to be reflecting in this mass event what you create individually within yourselves.

At times within yourselves, you create physical violence and conflict individually in your expressions of judgment and lack of acceptance, do you not?

MARJ:  Oh, yes!

ELIAS:  And you may view within yourselves how very often you create these similar types of struggles and conflict and fighting — and even the expressions of physical affectingness, which may be interpreted as violence to yourselves — all in the expressions of duplicity.

MARJ:  Hmm!  I’ve met that person!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

MARJ:  (Laughing)  It’s so funny ‘cause I’ve had a lot of problems with my right knee.  So I’m saying, why does my knee hurt?  There’s nothing wrong with my knee.  Then I realized I needed to slow down and pay attention to things, and my knee got better.  I was looking at my automatic responses and my lack of self-worth, and I’m moving along, I’m doing pretty good, and then I go to a religious ceremony, and after it was over, my knee was killing me, and I’m riding home saying, now what did I do?  And then I realized that I had sat there and judged everybody — their hypocrisies, their this, their that — I tore everybody to shreds!  Then I said to myself, why don’t you mind your own business?  You don’t know what they felt in their hearts.  And then my knee got better!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha!

MARJ:  So then, all of a sudden my knee hurts again, and I’m not fussing about one person, and I noticed that I kept noticing, and I read one of your transcripts where you were reminding the individual that what we are doing is constantly noticing, but we are not going deeper and looking at identifying so we can address to things, and that gave me a light bulb moment, and I realized that the feelings I had were all a lack of self-worth again.  And so I identified where duplicity came in there, and boy, we’ve had a hand-to-hand combat!  But my knee is fine now, ever since I identified that, and I’m just so pleased with myself!

ELIAS:  (Laughing)  And....

MARJ:  And I’m getting to the point, Elias, where I can’t wait to talk to you, but I don’t always have a question to ask you anymore.  I think — am I right? — I’m beginning to rely on my own perceptions and impressions, and giving myself the answers before I talk to you.

ELIAS:  Yes, and this is the point.

In this, you and many other individuals are moving yourselves into a position of reinforcing your trust of yourselves and your choices in allowing yourselves to be participating with myself merely in validation rather than extensive inquiry, for you have inquired and you have allowed yourselves to assimilate the information that you have asked for.

This is not to say that I may not continue to be offering more information to be helpful in insightfulness into more areas of yourselves futurely, as you continue to become familiar with yourselves and move yourselves into the genuine state of remembrance.  But you are inquiring less, for you are offering your questions to yourselves and you are offering your answers to yourselves, and allowing yourselves to trust your answers.

MARJ:  Oh, Elias, that is so wonderful!  I’m sure you’re just as excited for me as I am! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha!  Quite, for this is the point!

MARJ:  I wouldn’t know what to do without you!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!

MARJ:  The last three years have had a lot of ups and downs, but I wouldn’t trade them for anything, because of the changes that have come about through the association with you.

ELIAS:  And the new association with yourself!

MARJ:  Well, that’s for sure! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!

MARJ:  I’m not such a bad person after all!

ELIAS:  Quite, (laughing) and may be moving yourself genuinely more into an expression of believing that you are a glorious being, shall you not?  Ha ha!

MARJ:  Oh, I can’t wait!  Yes!  In fact, that is the final question that I do have for you, and that is, would you be so kind as to tell Gildae and I how wonderful we are?

ELIAS:  And so you are!

In this, I have expressed recently of the genuine gloriousness of what you have designed and created in this particular physical expression in this physical dimension.

You yourselves participate in a wondrous action that YOU have created, in this movement of this shift in consciousness and the insertion of it into your reality and the intricacies of design of this particular physical dimension.  Look to yourselves and view the gloriousness of all that you create, and amaze yourselves in wonderment at how efficient you are!

You create an expression of separation to offer yourselves the purity of experience in your exploration of this physical dimension of consciousness, and you compensate for that expression of separation that you have created individually by providing yourselves with a reflection of self in every aspect of your reality.  In every other individual, in every expression of consciousness, in every design around you, you reflect an aspect of yourself, therefore providing yourself with a clear image of yourself through all that surrounds you, and is this not a wonderment in creativity?

MARJ:  Yes!  I’ve always looked at the human body and thought what a wondrous creation that was, and didn’t realize that we did that.  And then if I propel that outward to look at everything and think that we created all of this, it just blows my mind, literally!

ELIAS:  Quite, and this is all a reflection of what you are!

MARJ:  Thank you, Elias.

ELIAS:  You are very welcome, my friend.

JOANNE:  Hi, Elias.  How you doin’?

ELIAS:  As always, and yourself?

JOANNE:  As always! (They both laugh)

I’ve had such a tough time trying to figure out how to talk to you about the things I want to talk to you about.  I’ve had some really incredible experiences with showing myself how fascinating a creature I think I am, and really kind of getting into that, and realizing that I could spend eternity just experiencing me!

ELIAS:  Quite!  And what shall be the difficulty in your discussion of this subject? (Laughing)

JOANNE:  Well, it’s sometimes very difficult to find the words to express it.  I know I talk to you all the time, and that’s different than this kind of communication, so I find it difficult to talk to you on the phone.  And I guess I worry sometimes, when I have these feelings of how absolutely incredible I am and everyone else is ... it sounds funny when you say it out loud.

ELIAS:  Ah, merely for it is unfamiliar to you, and your beliefs have dictated to the contrary for a considerable time framework.

JOANNE:  Right.  Yeah, that’s it.  I mean, when you’re feeling these incredible things and you have impressions about who you are and what you really are, and then all of a sudden you step back from it for a second, and you look around and think, oh my god!  I’m really losing it!  I’m suffering from like delusions of grandeur! (They both laugh)

How can you tell somebody how absolutely fascinating you find yourself and everything you create, and have them understand what you’re saying, and maybe experience it for themselves?

ELIAS:  It matters not that another individual may be understanding objectively of what you are expressing.  But let me express to you also that in the genuine discovery of yourself and the realization and recognition of the wondrousness of yourself, why shall you not express this outwardly?

And as you allow yourselves to genuinely recognize that what you express genuinely within yourself is also what you shall draw to yourself ... for what is created outside of you is also you.  Therefore, what shall be the fear that you express in this manner to another individual, lest you be recognizing that the fear is the expression of your own judgment upon self that this be an arrogant and self-centered expression?

And in that projection of energy, which is created within you, not outside of you, you also shall create it outside of you as a reflection of what you believe.  But in your genuine knowing of aspects of yourself, what is arrogance or self-centeredness but a knowing of yourself and a lack of fear in its expression?  And in that, what you shall create outwardly shall also be a reflection.

In like manner to what I have expressed with Grady, all that is surrounding you is a reflection of you, a clear and crystallized reflection, a mirror of yourself.  It is your offering to yourself that you provide yourself with to allow yourself to be familiar with you.  For the only individual, the only aspect of consciousness that you do not allow yourselves to know and that you are unfamiliar with or that you are confused by or conflicted with is you!

This is an aspect of your expression of separation.  Every other aspect of consciousness, every other individual, you know.  You view them clearly.  You need not be questioning of other individuals, for they are known to you already.  YOU are the only expression that is objectively NOT known to you, and this is the reason that you provide yourself with this grand expression of reflection in every aspect of consciousness that you surround yourself with.

Therefore, in the genuine expression of self-centeredness or the “centering of self,” (chuckling) and the genuine expression of arrogance or the knowing of self, and the genuine expression of selfishness in the focusing and concentrating upon self, and the recognition of the splendor of yourself, as you express that and radiate that outwardly in genuineness, what shall you draw to yourself but like expression?  For what you draw to yourself is reflection.

JOANNE:  I’ll have to spend some more time thinking about that, because I was just so amazed at the feelings themselves, because they’re so different than anything I’ve ever felt before.  And to think that at times I find myself so fascinating that I really don’t care what’s going on in the world!  I could spend all of my time just thinking about me and what I’m feeling and who I really am, and I really wouldn’t care what the rest of the world was doing! (Laughing)  And that’s a surprising turn; it’s different.

ELIAS:  And this is allowing yourself to become familiar with YOU.

This is a wondrous action, for it offers you the avenue to be expressing trust and acceptance of yourself, and in that, the acceptance of the entirety of your world is a byproduct.

MARJ:  We want more!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha! (Laughter)

JOANNE:  It’s funny, but the very physical things that we do to take up our ... well, to take up my time, is becoming very irritating now.  I find myself not wanting to do a lot of the normal, everyday things that I always did.  I just want to spend my time inward and thinking about things and how fascinating everything is.

But it goes even deeper than that.  It’s like the center, the very core of me, and I could really just spend eternity exploring that and feeling it, and it’s such a wonderful, wonderful thing!  I can’t even describe how magical that is.

ELIAS:  I am quite understanding. (Chuckling)

JOANNE:  What did you say?

ELIAS:  I am quite understanding of what you are expressing, and why shall you deny yourself this expression?

JOANNE:  Oh, I wouldn’t!  No, that’s not gonna happen! (They both laugh)  I just won’t tell anybody about it.  I’ll just quietly go about experiencing it without sharing it with anyone! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  And why shall you deny yourself the sharing also?

JOANNE:  Well, I was just sort of playing around about that....

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!

JOANNE:  (Inaudible)  But I think that’s where the Ilda comes in.  You have to run around and tell everybody! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  (Laughing)  And to be expressing a free flow of your energy, and exchanging and sharing experiences and concepts and BEING.

JOANNE:  Right. (Elias chuckles)  Lately I’ve spent a lot more time thinking about my alignment with Ilda.  Milumet I just fell in love with, as soon as I heard that word and the description of the family.  But I’ve never really paid any attention to the Ilda.  I kind of wanted to be Sumafi.  I like that lack of distortion thing.


JOANNE:  And now I don’t care! (Laughing)  Ilda suits me perfectly right now!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha ha!  And you may not quite be as disposed to some of the qualities of the Sumafi as you may have imagined yourself to be!  Ha ha ha!

JOANNE:  Well, you know, everything I read ... you’re Sumafi, and it just seemed so wonderful to be Sumafi, you know.  But now, the more I think about Ilda and that family in relation to myself now, I think that’s wonderful and fascinating, and it suits me perfectly!

ELIAS:  Quite!

JOANNE:  I like that.  But like I said, I’ve never paid too much attention to it, but with what’s been going on with me recently, it all fits perfectly, the Milumet aligned with Ilda.  I really like that I chose that, and it just suits me perfectly. (Elias chuckles)

I also want to talk to you ... I know Mom asked you about Charlotte, and if I understand correctly, that’s another aspect of my essence?

ELIAS:  Yes.

JOANNE:  Okay, is that an aspect of ... I don’t know how to phrase this.  It’s not physically focused?  I don’t know if that’s coming out right.

ELIAS:  Not within this present time framework.

JOANNE:  What is it that’s going on with that?  Was I just presenting myself with another aspect of me to investigate, or is there anything else that’s like going along with that?

ELIAS:  Now; allow yourself to recognize and to be responding to your own question.  What have you been discussing and expressing with me presently, but of your exploration and your discovery of you, correct?  And the wondrousness of that exploration, correct?


ELIAS:  And in this, shall you not also incorporate the exploration and the presentment of other aspects of you?  For they are all you!

JOANNE:  Yeah, but that was a little surprising, that one, because the tone is so much deeper.

ELIAS:  Which is expressive of what, in your impression?

JOANNE:  Well.... (Elias grins)  Okay.  In my impression, it’s like if you have the whole range of, say, tone of my essence, I’m in one place, and Charlotte is like a deeper tone.  It’s still me.  It just has a deeper tone to it, a deeper feeling.  I don’t know how else to express it.

ELIAS:  I am understanding of what you are expressing.

In this, you provide yourself with this introduction objectively, so to speak, that you may allow yourself further exploration of self, in the recognition of the expansiveness of you and the depth and breadth of you.

JOANNE:  That makes a lot of sense.  That kind of goes along with some of the dreams I’ve been having lately, about going deeper into me.  That goes along with that.  It was just surprising because the first aspect of myself, I would say now — Didi — had or has a very similar tone to me, to this focus of my attention.  But Charlotte, that aspect has a very deeper tone.

ELIAS:  I am understanding, and this also is you.

JOANNE:  Yeah.  I had this dream one night.  I was in a room with a lot of people, and we were all talking, and first I was one person, and then I was the other person, and then I was kind of like in the background looking at them all, and then I was one person, and then the other person, and just kind of bouncing from person to person.  And I went, no, wait a minute!  Now, which one am I right now?  I kind of lost track of which character in the play I was playing. (Elias chuckles)

And then I went to this really wonderful place where I had just a small experience or a small taste of exactly who I am, and it was absolutely incredible!  It was the most wonderful experience I’ve ever had in my entire life, and I felt, in that moment, I wished I could have stayed there, but I knew that if I did stay, I would’ve completed shifted my focus of attention here, and I probably would have disengaged.  But I’m becoming more and more aware of the core that runs through all of my focuses, that is my essence, that is me.  I can feel that in whichever person or focus I come in contact with.

ELIAS:  Yes.

JOANNE:  And it’s just an incredible experience.  And now, more and more of my dreams are like that.  Sometimes I’m the individual in the dream.  Sometimes I’m standing right behind them.  We switch back and forth, trade places.  It’s just really different.

ELIAS:  And is this not a wonderment at the presentment of your tremendous versatility?

JOANNE:  Oh, definitely!  It boggles my mind, the things that I can create and be a part of and feel and experience, and it’s changed my whole outlook, in a way.  I always thought, like when I first started reading that it was our choice to come here, I kept thinking, what kind of idiot would choose this? (Laughing)

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

JOANNE:  But now it’s becoming more obvious to me that it’s such an exciting thing, and we’ve just forgotten the joy that we came here with, and the excitement!

ELIAS:  Ah!  And this is a key within your statement, that you have forgotten what you already possess — what you ARE.

JOANNE:  Right — the joy, the fun, the excitement!  We’re just not paying any attention to that part of it.  We’re just thinking about ... I got so used to thinking this was all just a horrible mistake, and it’s just so wonderful to look at it from a different point of view! (Elias chuckles)  And to know inside that yes, I did choose to come here, and I was really excited about the whole prospect, and I thought it was a really good idea!  That’s a big change.

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!  And an offering of acknowledgment to yourself!

JOANNE:  Thank you! (Elias chuckles)  I love all of this!

Mom wants me to ask ... we were talking about dream triggers earlier.  Is my dream trigger a stove?

ELIAS:  First express to me your impression.

JOANNE:  Well, I kinda think it is.  It came up in conversation today.  Mom was reading Rodney’s paper where his dream trigger is a cloud, and we were talking about that, and I said, “Well, I think my dream trigger is a stove,” and she said, “What do you mean, a stove?”

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha!  A dream trigger is merely a creation of imagery, and it may assume any form.  You are correct in the identification of your dream trigger. (Laughing)

MARJ:  I was looking for something more ethereal!

ELIAS:  Ah!  More cosmic and spiritual!

JOANNE:  She was thinking that mine would be a book.

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha!  The imagery itself matters not.  It is the placement of the imagery and the consistency of that imagery within your dream state, so to speak.

In this, a dream trigger may assume the form of any object within your reality.  It generally is associated with some object within your waking reality that is continuously available within your waking attention.  Even in the expression that you are not thinking of that object or interactive with that object, it is present, so to speak, within your objective waking reality, and the presence of it has become very familiar to you, and in this, you insert that object into your dream imagery easily, in association with its familiarity.

JOANNE:  Yeah.  Without even realizing it, a lot of my dreams happen where there will be something, where I’ll be in the kitchen talking to someone, without even paying attention to the fact that I’m in a kitchen and there’s a stove there.

ELIAS:  Quite.  This is very commonly expressed in the creation of dream triggers.  You choose an object that is familiar to you and that does occupy a presence within your waking reality and offers you a sense of comfortableness within your waking reality.  It may be a rock, it may be a vase, it may be a plant.  It may be an object of brass or lead, glass, a book.  It may be water, it may be a creature, it may be a single piece of paper.  It matters not.

It is an association that you have created with some object of familiarity that you translate into your dream imagery recognizing that familiarity, which creates an ease within your dream imagery, for it requires no thought — it requires no reaction or responsiveness — but [is] an ease in which you allow yourself to approach and merge with and move through, as the portal.

JOANNE:  It only happened once, but I do, in dreams, keep finding myself standing in front of the stove and thinking, okay, what am I doing here?  And once I heard this little voice say, look!  Will you just look?

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha!

JOANNE:  And I found myself in a completely different place.

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  I have expressed many times, allowing yourselves to engage these dream triggers creates a tremendous ease and an automatic transportation, so to speak, of your awareness from one area of consciousness to another area of consciousness.  It is, quite literally, a portal.

JOANNE:  That’s exactly what it was.  It was like, one minute I was looking at the stove, and then I was like REALLY looking, and then I was somewhere else. (Elias chuckles)  The funny part of it was that the whole time I kept thinking, why didn’t you just look to begin with?  Because it’s all right there anyway.

ELIAS:  Ha ha!  And this is another aspect of the point.  ALL is present and within you.

JOANNE:  Right.  I’m finding that more and more.  It’s just a matter of looking and noticing, but really looking.  It’s a different kind of looking.

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  It is a noticing and paying attention.

JOANNE:  I have a couple of focus questions.  We’ve been trying to help Ben figure out his Oscar Wilde connection.


JOANNE:  We’ve all ... well, I don’t know about Ted and Luanne, but I have a feeling I was there, and I think Mom pretty much knows she was there.  My question is, I know Oscar changed his name to Sebastian.  Where did he get the name Sebastian?  Was it from a friend? (Pause)

ELIAS:  An association.

JOANNE:  Was that by any chance me? (Pause)


JOANNE:  Oh, okay.  Because I know I have a focus of Sebastian.

ELIAS:  Yes.

JOANNE:  Okay, and I thought ... well, the information I’ve gotten is that the name Sebastian was the favored son of Dorian Gray.  But that doesn’t really make any sense because Dorian Gray was a character, correct, in one of his books?

ELIAS:  Correct.

JOANNE:  So I’m kinda clueless where to go with this! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles)  Well, it does ... I mean, was Dorian Gray based on a real person in Oscar’s life?

ELIAS:  Not necessarily.

JOANNE:  I get someone who has some of the characteristics.

ELIAS:  Yes.

JOANNE:  Okay, and my focus as Sebastian, is that a current focus?

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!  Interesting question!  All of your focuses are current!

JOANNE:  Okay, in this particular time framework!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!  No.  It would not be within this particular time framework, although what may be viewed as a partially overlapping focus in time frameworks, for in linear terms, that focus overlaps this focus.

JOANNE:  Okay.  Was he in Greece? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Cyprus.

JOANNE:  Cyprus, okay.  Was I in your focus of Oscar Wilde?

ELIAS:  Yes.

JOANNE:  Okay, so I’ll have to work on that some more. (Elias laughs)  Another interesting focus that I think I uncovered was Rasputin.

ELIAS:  In relation to yourself?


ELIAS:  Yes; not that you are that individual, but are associated with that individual.

JOANNE:  Okay.  How about Gustave Flaubert?  I know that’s a focus of me. (Pause)

ELIAS:  Correct.

JOANNE:  Now, in that focus, was I in touch with this focus of me?  Because when I read Madame Bovary, I had such a difficult time reading that, because in a lot of ways, when he described what she was feeling, I felt those things, and I just thought that maybe on some level....

ELIAS:  It is not a question of “being in touch with,” so to speak, or in communication with, but an experience of, for you ARE.  Are you understanding?

JOANNE:  Yeah, I do understand.  I guess I was just surprised when I read it.  I felt the connection to him, but I think what surprised me the most was that he was so objectively aware of what a woman would feel.

ELIAS:  I am understanding, and this is an ability in tapping into other aspects of self.

JOANNE:  Right.  I was just wondering if that’s what he was doing when he was writing that book.

ELIAS:  Yes.

JOANNE:  And his traveling companion when he traveled through Europe, was that Patel?


JOANNE:  No?  Hmm.  For some reason, that just sort of popped into my head.

ELIAS:  You offer this to yourself in recognition of a familiarity of energy of essence, but it is not that particular essence.

JOANNE:  Okay, so it’s an essence that I’m very familiar with?

ELIAS:  Yes.

JOANNE:  Oh, one other thing that’s kinda funny.  There’s this band.  It’s called Creed, a rock ‘n roll band, and the first time I saw the lead singer in the band, all I could think was, he looks so familiar, and I’ve never really been a groupie, but I find myself becoming a groupie! (Laughing)  And he just ... I mean, at first, I would have sworn it was in some way connected to you, but everything I’ve read says that you don’t have a focus in this particular time framework.

ELIAS:  You are correct.

JOANNE:  So....

ELIAS:  Your familiarity is a recognition that you participate in other focuses with this individual — in several focuses with this individual — and in your exploration presently of self and allowing yourself to become more familiar with you, you are also allowing yourself to become more aware objectively, and open, so to speak, objectively to the associations that you hold with other individuals throughout many different focuses, and allowing yourself to more easily recognize the familiarity that may be experienced in that opening of your awareness.

JOANNE:  Oh, one more quick question.  With the people that are around me in this particular focus — my husband, my brothers and sisters, my children — I kinda get the impression that I’ve never held close relationship with these individuals, that they’ve been maybe acquaintances, friends, distant relatives, but not real close in relationship, and I was wondering if my impression of that was correct.

ELIAS:  For the most part, yes, you are correct.

JOANNE:  So I might be hiding something from myself! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  Which you are not, although you have created a few relationships of some intimacy with some of these individuals.  But more often — you are correct — you have created the types of relationships with these individuals that does not express objectively a quality of intimacy.

JOANNE:  Like with my brothers and sisters, I’ve always kind of felt like they have more going on between them.

ELIAS:  I am understanding.

JOANNE:  I always used to think I was adopted! (Laughing)

MARJ:  She felt like she just dropped in here!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha!

JOANNE:  Because they all seemed to have like this other stuff going on between them all that didn’t include me.  I was wondering if that feeling was because I don’t normally focus with them or because there weren’t any bleed-throughs of other focuses affecting.

ELIAS:  Partially, and partially not.  Partially there is some influence in not creating intimacy in other focuses with these individuals, and partially not.

For partially, it is also an expression of reflection, as we have been speaking of this day, in that you have created a perception within yourself of separation and difference between yourself and these individuals, and therefore you also project that energy and it is created.

JOANNE:  Oh, so I was even doing that as a child?

ELIAS:  Yes.

Let me express to you, you begin creating and directing your focus from the onset of your manifestation.  Even within infancy, you are creating specific directions.  You create that within the accepted expressions of developmental stages, so to speak, of your physical incorporation of growth.  Therefore, you incorporate the expressions that may be associated officially with particular age groups.

But this is not to be discounting that you are creating expressions of your intent, and you are directing of your movement and of your intent and your desires — and even associations with beliefs — in infancy, in young childhood, in every moment of your focus.

Individuals in infancy create events that are quite directing of relationships, of interactions that they are establishing within their choice of the family unit.  You are not helpless and dependent as an infant.  These are dictates of your beliefs.  You are quite efficiently and purposefully and directedly creating your reality, and participating in interaction with other individuals.

MARJ:  What dynamic little buggers these babies are!

ELIAS:  Quite!  Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!  Do not be discounting of these small ones and infants! (Laughing)

JOANNE:  Okay!  Do we have time for one more quick question?

ELIAS:  Very well.

JOANNE:  When I was younger, I think I was about nine or ten years old, I know I was in touch with my essence.  Now I know what that feeling was that was going on, when I would wake up in the morning and feel that energy.  I didn’t know what it was at the time.  But there was one particular time when I woke up and I saw Jesus.  I was very religious when I was little.  I very much believed in God and Jesus.  And I know I woke up one morning and he was there, and I was really happy, and I just rolled over and went back to sleep, and I just knew that we had had this conversation about things, and things to come, and everything was just wonderful, and I’ve always kind of wondered what that was all about.

ELIAS:  In relation to your beliefs in that time framework, you presented yourself with a viewing of your own expression of divinity, and in this, you image this in the form that you associate with this religious figure.

JOANNE:  That makes a lot of sense, because I wouldn’t have thought that was me that was so divine at that particular time! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  Correct. (Laughing)  Therefore, you offer the presentment in relation to your beliefs.

JOANNE:  Right.  I picked the one person I knew was really divine!

ELIAS:  Quite! (Laughing)

JOANNE:  Okay, I think that’s all I have. (To Marj)  Do you have any more questions?

MARJ:  Oh, I could come up with something!  No, I’m fine.

ELIAS:  I shall express to you each tremendous affection and great encouragement in each of your movements, for you are allowing yourselves to become familiar with you, and this is a wondrous action and a tremendous presentment of freedom, and this is the point of this shift in consciousness.

JOANNE:  Thank you, Elias.

ELIAS:  I express great acknowledgment and encouragement to you both, and anticipate our next meeting ... in validation! (Laughing)

MARJ:  Oh, thank you so much!  That was a hug and a kiss!

JOANNE:  Yeah, and if you have any questions, you can ask us!

ELIAS:  And so I shall!

MARJ:  That’ll be the day! (They all laugh)

ELIAS:  To you both in tremendous lovingness this day, au revoir.

MARJ:  Au revoir, Elias!

JOANNE:  Goodbye!

Elias departs at 4:08 p.m.