Session 1170


“Freedom to Do What YOU Want, While Being Wife and Mother”

Sunday, October 27, 2002 (Private/In Person)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Laura (Belagia)
Elias arrives at 1:50 PM. (Arrival time is 27 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon.

LAURA: Good afternoon!

ELIAS: (Chuckles) And how shall we proceed?

LAURA: Well, when I was driving here in a little over a three-hour drive to get here, I was thinking about what I might talk with you about. It seemed at the time I would need three hours to go through this theme and try to work it all out.

It’s interesting, because just in talking to the people at the public session yesterday, I started to become very clear about a decision I’ve been struggling to make, and then your talk just jelled it all. You hit all the main points. It just all fell right together and my decision was absolutely clear. And I thought, “Now what am I going to talk about?” (Both laugh) So it’s interesting how that radically changed.

The decision I’ve made is to take a big step out of the mainstream. That’s, I think, one of the reasons why it’s been difficult. I’ve been struggling for years, really, when I look back, probably in my life since I was five years old. Now I’m 41, so I’ve spent a number of years struggling with the institution of schooling, which is a big deal in our culture. It seems like a necessary step to take for children.

ELIAS: Which you have been struggling with for a time framework.

LAURA: I’ve been struggling with the idea of how my children should be educated and going to school and all of this. My oldest son is eight, and when he started school or even pre-school I’ve been struggling with it the whole time.

He in his own being keeps telling me this is a big struggle. It’s not easy; it’s not effortless for him to go to school. Even though he’s very bright, he’s not able to fit the way he thinks and sees the world into these really narrow frameworks that he’s told he needs to in school.

It’s clear he learns better outside of the framework of school and more naturally. The big struggle then becomes the social, and then we’ll be different. I was just speaking with somebody out in the living room here, and I said, “We’re thinking of stepping outside of the mainstream and not schooling,” and then, “My daughter enjoys school because of the social.” That is the first thing that comes up. That seemed to be unclear and I was struggling with it, and on and on.

Then yesterday during your talk, it just jelled that what I’m talking about is freedom, that this issue really is all about freedom and creativity and how to live a free and creative life. It just (snaps fingers) — that piece of not looking at my son and what he needs, but looking at myself and what I need. I need to un-school myself. (Elias nods) I need to give myself that freedom, and then my children can make whatever decision they need to make.

ELIAS: And therefore, what have you identified as your solution to your challenge?

LAURA: To quit my job. I kept telling myself I’m working to send the children to this little private school that they go to, which isn’t fair to them. I’m working because I chose to work. So I’m going to choose to not work outside of the home.

I’m very excited, because before when I had that idea, I thought what am I going to do? Well, I’ve never had a problem filling up my time with interesting creative pursuits! (Laughs) That’s something that I didn’t give myself permission to be able to maybe devote myself to those creative pursuits without any thought of producing an income from them. I always felt like I had to produce an income from what I might do. Those creative pursuits had to become hobbies that I may or may not get to on top of my income-producing life or my laundry, cooking, nose-wiping, mothering kind of life. Those were okay pursuits.

So I’m seeing that in a completely different way. It’s like I was on the edge of that. Then this weekend it all became clear, to the point where it’s silly how simple the solution is. You know, when you get to that point, you just laugh at yourself. It’s always right there and so simple.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) But for the most part you attempt to complicate the simplicity of your choices.

LAURA: Yes. It’s too easy.

So I thought, well, I’ll quit my job if my son decides to home school, if that seems like the thing to do. My daughter’s really happy at school, so she can stay where she likes. But then I realized, no, that’s not the issue; the issue is I want to stay home! I stay home! I pursue my creative ideas and freedom, and if they want to stay home and do that, fine! If they want to go to school to do what they want to do at school, fine! That’s what became very clear this weekend.

ELIAS: Correct. So what have you discovered in this information now in allowing yourself your expression of freedom?

LAURA: Well, the first thing that popped up in my mind, the first automatic response, was that I deserve to be free, that it’s okay to be free.

ELIAS: Correct.

LAURA: Is there something I’m missing or that I’m not looking at?

ELIAS: No. Quite a revelation...

LAURA: (Laughs) Yes, quite a revelation! It’s a huge one!

ELIAS: ...in viewing yourself and offering this freedom to yourself, paying attention to what YOU want rather than continuing to concern yourself with what all these other individuals want and attempting to accommodate other individuals, justifying your actions in relation to the wants of other individuals and therefore clouding yourself, for your attention is diverted and you are allowing other individuals to dictate to you what your choices are — which may not be what you want. But you are compliant, for you feel obligation and that in relation to your role as a parent this is your obligation and your responsibility.

But now you are offering yourself information in tremendous liberation of your responsibility to yourself and to express that freedom within yourself without limitation. For other individuals shall create their reality, regardless of what direction you think they should be moving in. They shall create what they create in relation to their choices, whether you deem it to be right or wrong, or good or bad, or better or worse.

Therefore, your greatest contribution to these individuals that you hold in affection is to be paying attention to you and therefore becoming the example as the straight little sapling, which is much more challenging than individuals realize. For, the hurdle that must be moved over is that of genuinely turning the attention from that which is familiar, projecting it outwardly, to the turning to yourself and recognizing that this is not merely your greatest gift to yourself but also to those other individuals that you hold in affection.

In offering yourself freedom, you also generate less expectations of other individuals, for you are not concerning yourself with the choices or the issues of other individuals. This is not to say that you are not caring, but there is a difference in concerning yourself with other individuals. In allowing yourself to direct you, you discontinue attempting to direct all of these other individuals, which merely generates conflict for they wish not to be directed.

LAURA: My children made that eminently clear that they wish not to be directed! (Both laugh)

ELIAS: They are quite capable of directing themselves.

LAURA: I’ve been able to see that more and more clearly and be less afraid of moving away from that structure that our society has built for children.

I also had a fear or a sense of responsibility, I guess, toward my husband. He works; every day he goes to work and brings home the money. He’s also a super-creative individual. I was seeing it as his work takes him away from his creative life.

ELIAS: Not necessarily.

LAURA: Exactly, and that’s what I’m seeing now. I felt like I had to match that, that I had to equally work and take myself away from creative pursuits that I might be interested in. Even though we both enjoy what we do at work, we have a fantasy of staying home and pursuing our creative pursuits.

Then I began to see just what you said. I even communicated this to Alan, and he agreed. He wants me to stay home; he never wanted me to go back to work in the first place. If I stay home, not in a self-sacrificing way but because I want to pursue ideas of my own, that will free up our entire family to do that themselves, if that’s their choice.

ELIAS: Correct, and therefore you offer yourself the example and the evidence of the affectingness that one individual expresses in relation to all of the individuals that you interact with.

You are already affecting of all of the other individuals that you interact with. The question is how do you choose to be affecting? Shall you be affecting in expression of your own freedom and presentment of that example and therefore rippling that energy outward in encouragement to the other individuals to be expressing their freedom and directing of themselves? Or shall you deny your freedom and present that example, and be affecting in influence of the individuals that you interact with that it is unacceptable to express your freedom or to direct yourself? For in either scenario you are expressing an example, as is every individual within your reality.

It is a matter of paying attention and being aware objectively of what you are actually expressing: is this your intention; is this genuinely what you want? Not what you think you want, but is this course of action that you choose to express actually what you want, and is it efficient?

Denial of self is woeful to essence, which is you. The greatest sadness of consciousness is the denial of choice, for it is intrinsic to the action of consciousness.

LAURA: So with all these discoveries I’ve made, I have that feeling — I’ve had it before; this isn’t the first time — but I’m just filled with that sense of unlimited choice and unlimited creative possibilities. I’m very excited to go home and call my boss in the morning and say, “I love you; I quit.” (Both laugh) I quit two weeks ago and then I went back on it. I’m going to have to say, “No, I actually do quit.” I’m excited about that, though.

It’s interesting because I quit on her two times before, and even in this third time she’s always so happy for me and supportive. So that’s me reflecting that truth back to myself.

ELIAS: Correct.

LAURA: In fact, my husband, who I’ve been worried about how he will feel, keeps saying, “Just do it! Please! Please, do it!”

I hardly worked at all this summer. Our life was so lovely, easy. I got to have a taste of it and then the contrast of kind of going back to work and to school. I was able to see clearly then those two choices, and the way is clear. I had to kind of work my way through all these beliefs, I suppose, of what a good mommy does and what freedom is. (Elias chuckles) Is there any more on that subject that I’m...?

ELIAS: Is it not wondrous?

LAURA: It’s wondrous! It’s absolutely wondrous!

ELIAS: (Laughs) And I shall offer to you my congratulations and my encouragement that you continue in this direction.

LAURA: Thank you. (Pause) Next topic.

ELIAS: Very well.

LAURA: As is often the case when I’m doing laundry or cleaning the house, I come up with these wonderful insights. I’ve been thinking about my intent. I haven’t asked you about it previously because I know I have to come up with these things on my own. So as I was doing laundry on Friday before I came here, before I left for Fresno, my intent popped into my mind, and I just wanted to either confirm it with you or have you tell me, “No, that’s not quite it,” or whatever. This is what came to me, that my intent is to see myself clearly as I am and to know and appreciate what I see. (Pause)

ELIAS: In relation to other individuals, yes.

LAURA: So the relationship with other individuals in that is an important part of my intent?

ELIAS: Yes.

LAURA: Right, I see that. That’s the common aspect that I’ve chosen...

ELIAS: Yes.

LAURA: ...and the emotional aspect that I’ve chosen. I see that clearly.

I think I have sought out beings such as yourself, who sit across from me just like we’re doing now and sort of deconstruct my belief system for examination. I’ve sought that out again and again and again. I think I’ve been really wise in my choices of beings to do that with, whether embodied or non-embodied beings. That part of my life has been satisfying. Even though it’s hard to face myself sometimes or things I don’t want to see, I actually enjoy that process. So that came to me, what else am I doing but knowing myself? My ultimate desire would be to love what I see about myself...

ELIAS: Correct.

LAURA: ...and then loving genuinely, genuinely loving my children, genuinely loving my husband, my mom, my dad, my friends, everyone I meet, or whatever the ultimate revelation of that would be, that’s my real intent.

ELIAS: Correct. To view that reflection.

LAURA: So it’s very interesting to me that yesterday those were the two main focuses of your talk. (Elias chuckles) I was laughing inside. Freedom, which we just got done talking about, and you gave a definition of appreciation, what appreciation really means. Those were the two focuses of my intent for coming here and talking to you. I thought that was very interesting...

ELIAS: There are no accidents.

LAURA: ...that I have been communicating with you, or communicating with this information prior to coming here, anyway. (Laughs) Patting myself on the back for that, for noticing! (Both laugh)

ELIAS: Very well!

LAURA: I had a dream, or kind of one of those nights when I’m asleep and awake and asleep and awake, and I thought that you were in my dream. You said to me, “Laura, there are no absolutes.” Was that you? (Elias nods in agreement) It was very clear. It was the first time I had noticed a word communication, a verbal communication, if you will, from you, and it was around the school issue again.

ELIAS: Correct, and also allowed yourself a remembrance, which generally speaking most individuals do not.

LAURA: It was quite different than my own remembering of, “Oh, yeah! Elias says there are no absolutes.” It wasn’t that at all. It felt like other than myself, not a memory. It was as if you were talking like this and you said there are no absolutes.

ELIAS: Correct.

LAURA: So, learning how to recognize that sense of that.

ELIAS: Correct, which is quite significant and may be challenging at times to be reminding yourself that there are no absolutes.

LAURA: When you asked that wonderful question yesterday, “What is your automatic response?” my automatic response is to find the absolute. There is a right decision and a wrong decision.

ELIAS: Correct.

LAURA: That’s my automatic response.

ELIAS: And recognition of your automatic response offers you information. The challenge is expressed in allowing yourself to be noticing in the moments that that automatic response is being expressed, for it is precisely that — an automatic response. It requires no thought. Therefore, many times it may be difficult to notice the moments in which you are expressing that type of automatic response, and it becomes so very familiar that it is expressed in many, many, many different manners.

I may express to you, even to the most mundane action as to how you may be creating a sandwich of peanut butter and jelly, and how you shall create it! (Laura laughs loudly) The right manner in which to generate this sandwich...

LAURA: You know me well, Elias! (Both laugh) I’m getting flushed, like almost embarrassed. But it’s true, that exact example is absolutely true!

ELIAS: I am aware! (Laughs)

LAURA: But it’s something I would not have maybe noticed on my own in that way.

ELIAS: There are no accidents.

LAURA: That is hilarious! (Both laugh)

ELIAS: Even this action is not an absolute.

LAURA: (Laughs) You’re kidding — there’s not the perfect way to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? Gosh, I never would have thought that!

ELIAS: Such a concept! (Both laugh) But this is significant, for this offers you the opportunity to recognize that this type of automatic response permeates all that you do. Those expressions or those actions that you do within in your focus that you do not pay attention to, that you do not notice, that you deem or define as very small, those are the actions that you engage throughout each of your days continuously, and each time you engage those actions without noticing that automatic response, you reinforce it.

Now; as I have stated, it matters not. You may recognize, once you have familiarized yourself with those automatic responses, that you may generate a preference in relation to those automatic responses. You may choose, expressing to yourself you prefer to be generating this sandwich in this manner.

LAURA: But it’s a choice and not driven by a belief.

ELIAS: Correct. It is an objective choice and you are aware of what you are choosing, rather than reinforcing the lack of choice in automatic response.

LAURA: Whew! (Elias chuckles) That’s brilliant. Thank you. I can see that very clearly right now. (Laughs)

I was talking with my husband about this automatic response last night. I think what’s so lovely about having Alan in my life is that he doesn’t have that same sense of what “right” means. I mean, he definitely thinks there’s a certain kind of right way, but it’s so completely different than mine — like with music, the beat doesn’t have to be exactly precise, like a metronome. He’s much more free in his artistic expression than I am. I’m much more critical or classical, and things have to be precise in a particular way. I think I’ve learned a lot from observing him. I’m glad that I’ve had him in my life that way.

ELIAS: Which is also not an accident.

LAURA: No, no. He and I have known each other, I imagine, in other focuses.

ELIAS: Yes.

LAURA: I had a dream when we first were dating that showed me that, but I haven’t explored exactly which focuses yet. That’s something I do want to talk about today, and also my son, Zane.

My daughter, Cyan, I think is more like me in certain ways. I sort of get her, even though I don’t share a family alignment with her the way I do with my husband and my son — my alignment in this focus is the same as their families. There’s just something about Cyan, that we both have this same kind of wanting to make things precise and perfect and looking aesthetically pleasing, that my son and my husband don’t have at all and could care less about! (Elias chuckles) It’s a nice combination, I guess, for the four of us. (Laughs)

ELIAS: And also offers you the opportunity to more easily appreciate difference.

LAURA: I have so many questions, actually. What time is it? I don’t want to go over. Oh, I have tons of time! (Elias chuckles)

I’d like to go into some of the past — I’m sorry, old vocabulary! —other focuses. We talked about this last time, and you gave me a homework.

ELIAS: To investigate!

LAURA: I had asked about famous focuses, and you told me Margot Frank, Anne Frank’s sister, which was surprising to me. I had felt that I was not related necessarily familially but that somehow I had known her, and it was surprising to me that I was that close to her. I went and I checked out all the books from the library about Anne Frank, and of course Margot’s in there somewhat peripherally.

But I was really able then to see some similarities, very clear similarities, between Margot and myself. The scholarly aspects are very clear and a lot of the interests: philosophy, health care, helping others, caring for others, those kind of things. She wanted to be a nurse after the war, which I had played with that idea for a while and I spent a lot of time in hospitals with family members. I’m in a sort of medical kind of field myself, but it’s obviously a caring, helping kind of field.

I thought about her choice to be isolated from society for a length of time. Even though her life was hard, living in such close quarters being afraid all the time, she also was able to deeply pursue these intellectual pursuits, which sounds heavenly to me in one kind of sense. That’s something that’s interesting to me to do and is one of the points of giving myself this freedom. I’m doing it anyway, but I see it as a way to give myself even greater permission to do that. So that was a link there.

Also, we have some similar physical traits. Also, I’m an older sister; she’s the older sister. I have two younger sisters, but my next youngest sister and I are the same age difference as Margot and Anne. Even a couple of pictures I saw reminded me very much, like the way the heads are turned, of pictures of myself and my younger sister when we were little. So I was wondering, is my sister Jenny related? Is she Anne Frank?

ELIAS: An observing essence. There is also another similarity in relation to that focus that you incorporate and this focus, and the choices that you have engaged in this focus. That focus also expresses a preference of preciseness but interacts with the family member of the sister who does not. You have chosen a similar type of direction in this focus — different scenario, therefore, different experiences.

LAURA: I’m more feisty than Margot, and rebellious.

ELIAS: But you do generate a similarity.

Let me express to you, you incorporate many different types of focuses. But I am aware that with each individual it may be helpful in understanding and in an allowance of yourself to relate to yourself as more than merely this focus if you begin with those that may be quite similar in some manners to yourself, for this validates you that, “Yes, I see. Yes, this is reasonable within my framework of association and understanding and my beliefs. I may be accepting that perhaps this is reality, that I am greater than this one focus,” not to diminish the importance and significance of each individual focus of attention but also to recognize that you are in this focus all of essence.

Therefore, what is meant in this statement that “you are all of essence” is that you, in this now, sitting in relation to myself, are an essence. All of these other focuses that you incorporate, you associate them with other time frameworks; but in actuality, were you to drop the veils of separation, in this very space arrangement all of those yous would be present.

LAURA: It’s still in the realm of imagination, although I’m getting... I was having coffee this morning and reading about Mary, Queen of Scots, and I had a sense of her imprisonment and the cell and things like that. I would like to confirm with you that I felt that the veil had thinned somewhat at that point, that I was allowing myself that more visceral experience of her internment. (Pause) Those kinds of experiences don’t necessarily shout at me; they’re more whispers. It takes that attention and the non-discounting...

ELIAS: Correct.

LAURA: ...to honor myself, really, to honor those experiences...

ELIAS: Correct.

LAURA: ...and not discount them.

ELIAS: Correct, and allow yourself to listen to the information that you are offering to yourself.

LAURA: Am I related to Mary, Queen of Scots, in some way?

ELIAS: Partial observing essence, not throughout the entirety of the focus. But this is the reason that you offer yourself specific information in thinning those veils, for this is the time framework in which you have chosen to be an observing essence. Therefore, the experience is also held by you.

LAURA: So all the sensory experiences...

ELIAS: Yes.

LAURA: ...I would experience as well.

ELIAS: Yes.

LAURA: This morning I allowed myself as Laura in 21st century California to experience directly, in this moment now, as if it was 16th century England.

ELIAS: Correct, which if you are allowing yourself, you may easily tap into these experiences. And I shall say to you, the experience that is generated as an observing essence is no less than that of the directing essence. It is the same.

This is the reason that essences choose to be observing essences, for it is efficient. Therefore, it is unnecessary for each and every essence to generate thousands and thousands and thousands of focuses in actual physical manifestation, but may also experience all of these different types of explorations within this physical dimension — which is also the reason that you engage counterpart action with countless individuals, to offer to yourself as essence as much experience in this physical dimension in association with your exploration of self as you may or as you choose.

Some essences choose to be experiencing more than others; some direct their attention more fully in other dimensions. But as I have expressed many times, this particular physical dimension is one of the most diverse physical dimensions for exploration. There is a tremendous expression of freedom of movement and discovery afforded in this particular physical dimension. It is extremely open, extremely diverse, and allows for a tremendous expression of exploration.

As I have stated previously, beliefs and belief systems are intrinsic to the design of this particular physical dimension. But I have also expressed that the beliefs within belief systems are countless and that each of you incorporates all of them.

Now; for the most part, individuals listen to that statement and their automatic association is, “Oh, my! This is overwhelming, and I shall never accomplish pushing away all of these beliefs. I shall never accomplish ridding myself of all of these beliefs,” which is entirely not the point.

The point is to recognize that this is your freedom, that you do incorporate all of these beliefs and they are countless, which offers you tremendous diversity in your expression, for you may choose any of them to be expressing or to be aligning with. It is merely a matter of being aware of yourself and your direction and what you want and what shall serve you most efficiently in your exploration within your focus.

Which fork at your table shall be the most efficient to consume certain cuisines? Which utensil? Shall you eat peas with a knife or shall it be more expedient to incorporate a spoon? The knife is not bad, but it may be more difficult to consume your peas. And what is it that you want? To consume the peas. (Elias chuckles with Laura)

LAURA: Though I’m finding similarities, say, between myself and Margot Frank, or having experiences with the observing essence, the whole point is the vast diversity of experience. So as a final focus, would my interest in knowing more of my focuses objectively ... what am I asking? Is there any point to seeing if there’s a commonality, or is it just seeing that I’m so vast and diverse, so much more vast and diverse than I previously imagined?

ELIAS: It is all validating, and it is your choice which direction you decide to pursue.

LAURA: It’s fun, too! I think it’s really fun.

ELIAS: Quite! Which is also the point. As I have expressed previously to other individuals, quite literally if you are not experiencing fun, discontinue the direction that you are expressing.

The point is you are exploring yourself in a physical dimension. The nature of consciousness is to explore itself. The nature of essence is to explore itself and thusly expand, and you choose to be engaging this action in a physical dimension. It is a game. Perception is extremely powerful; it generates your game. It generates all of your objective imagery, all of your physical manifestations.

In this, it is your choice how you shall play the game, and there is no wrong manner of playing the game. Some individuals choose to play the game in sorrow and suffering and conflict, and this is no less of a choice of diversity than to be choosing happiness and joyfulness. The point is the fun. Some individuals do express fun in conflict; others do not. This is also the significance of knowing you and what you generate.

LAURA: I noticed a little example about my daughter when she cries or she’s upset. She loves to look at herself in the mirror when she’s crying and upset. (Elias chuckles) There’s something very appealing to her about that. (Laughs) It’s interesting, if I point it out... But I guess it’s not kind of me to point it out. I’ll point it out to her, and she gets very angry. She doesn’t want that to be noticed! (Laughs and Elias chuckles)

ELIAS: For there are beliefs concerning...

LAURA: But it’s endearing to me. I think she loves to look at herself. I think it’s a way of loving herself, knowing herself and appreciating all her different facets as a being.

ELIAS: Correct, and the different manners in which she may present her physical appearance in different expressions. (Chuckles)

LAURA: Two other lives you asked me to investigate, one was third-century Chinese royalty. I know nothing about Chinese history. I looked it up and there was a third-century BC Chinese royalty who was very famous. In third century AD, there’s a variety of them because by then there wasn’t just one emperor at that point; China had divided up into many warring states. I wasn’t sure which, but I had this sense, because we had talked about famous focuses, that it was possibly the BC.

ELIAS: Correct.

LAURA: So the first emperor of China, or related to him in some way?

ELIAS: Related to, yes.

LAURA: I was family member of his in that timeframe?

ELIAS: Yes.

LAURA: The other one, you said that I knew you in one of your focuses as an Incan Indian in Peru. I felt that I was a male in that lifetime. I was going to ask if I was a scribe, an Incan scribe?

ELIAS: A priest, but this action of transcription, so to speak, was also incorporated.

LAURA: And now I’m going to volunteer to be your transcriber! (Elias chuckles) I should start that in a couple of weeks. I like transcribing.

The focus in Barcelona I have no feeling for whatsoever.

And a 20th century writer ... when I asked myself that this morning, the only 20th century writer that even came to mind — because I don’t read much fiction, and I think it was fiction — is Toni Morrison. I attempted to read one of her books, and I just couldn’t get through it. I don’t read fiction very much. I didn’t know if that was a hit or...?

ELIAS: No.

LAURA: Not a hit?

ELIAS: No. Earlier.

LAURA: Was it 20th century fiction?

ELIAS: Not necessarily.

LAURA: You’re a big help!

ELIAS: It may be easier in your investigation, for you are not drawn to fiction any longer, and this is not necessarily fiction. (Chuckles)

LAURA: Those were the questions I had about those focuses.

I’m interested to know how many focuses I have with each of my immediate family members: my husband, my daughter and son.

ELIAS: Partner, 17; son, 12; daughter, 29.

LAURA: That’s interesting, because I objectively feel that I know my son better in certain ways. I had more of an immediate recognition of him when he was born than I did with my daughter. Were a lot of my daughter’s in conflict?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. But you have generated an intensity with this individual that is now manifest as your son; I may express to you, a percentage of those focuses do generate conflict.

LAURA: Oh, with my son?

ELIAS: But this also lends to a familiarity.

LAURA: Interesting. I’ll investigate. (Laughs and Elias chuckles) I’m wondering, since the number of focuses with my daughter is so many more ... oh, okay, maybe because of the conflict with my son. My daughter gets more of my physical energy or physical contact, and my son definitely occupies more of my mental energy. Okay! All right! It’s all falling into place now. (Laughs and Elias chuckles) It’s about getting it right this time!

ELIAS: Ah! That also is associated with your automatic response!

LAURA: That’s right! I’m determined to get it right, make all the right decisions about his life, and make him right! Oh, god! Bleah! (Both laugh) That makes so much sense! With my daughter, we have little emotional struggles, but it doesn’t sort of get me in the same way as the ones with my son do. I get it. (Elias chuckles)

Then my husband, have they been mostly easy-going? We’re married and we have conflicts and things, but overall it’s been a good and fairly easy relationship over a long period of our time — 17 years intimacy with each other.

ELIAS: Yes.

LAURA: When I first was dating him, I had a dream about John and Yoko Ono — I’m sorry, John Lennon and Yoko Ono — and for some reason they represented the two of us. Is there some sort of relationship there, or was it just dream imagery?

ELIAS: Imagery concerning type of relationship, and the type of energy expressed between the individuals and between yourselves.

LAURA: It seemed to be a significant dream at the time.

Well, we have two minutes. Is there anything else you’d like to say to me today?

ELIAS: An acknowledgment of your movement and your offering to yourself of information to be creating the breakthrough into freedom. I express to you, my friend, hear, hear! (Chuckles) It is worthy of your acknowledgment and your recognition.

LAURA: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome. Continue in your movement, for it is grand. (Chuckles)

As always, I offer to you my encouragement, my supportiveness and my energy, and shall continue to do so. You may call upon me in any time framework, and I shall be receptive. To you, as always, in tremendous affection and genuine lovingness, au revoir.

LAURA: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 2:49 PM.