Session 1311

“Productivity and Forcing Energy”

Monday, March 31, 2003 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Paul (Paneus)

Elias arrives at 9:58 AM. (Arrival time is 16 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

PAUL: Good morning, Elias! How are you?

ELIAS: As always, and yourself?

PAUL: Great, but getting better! (Elias laughs) So are you ready for a barrage of questions?

ELIAS: Very well!

PAUL: By the way, I have to ask you this one. You were in my dream last night. I don’t know if this was a symbolic message from myself or if you actually popped in. I think you said something about the strength or the power of the individual, but I wasn’t clear about what you were trying to tell me, or I didn’t remember it clearly enough to write it down in the morning. If that was you, what were you trying to tell me?

ELIAS: To pay attention to your preferences and to your strengths.

PAUL: My preferences, as in my choices?

ELIAS: Your preferences are associated with choices, but it is important to be aware and to express a clarity in relation to your preferences, and therefore recognize more of a clarity in relation to your choices. In this is your power of freedom.

PAUL: If I had to put it in a different way, is that sort of like going through my waking life and paying attention to the clues from the objective imagery?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.

PAUL: I’m trying to do that. It’s not always easy.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! I am quite aware of the challenge in this action!

PAUL: I’ve been circling around my intent and my theme. Is my intent to provide clues of science to others about the nature of reality and the role belief systems play in them? The reason I’m thinking about this is because the path that I’m on today is one of teaching and writing. I don’t know how much longer I’m going to be on that path, but I saw an element of this in the past in my life, so I’m wondering if that is part of my intent. I don’t know if it’s the full intent.

ELIAS: It is one of the avenues of your intent. It is not precisely the theme of your movement in this particular focus, but it is an avenue that you incorporate repeatedly in association with your intent.

PAUL: Based on my present potentiality, when exactly will I option or sell my screenplay and for how much, monetary?

ELIAS: This is a question associated with predictions, my friend, which are quite inaccurate for this is your choice.

PAUL: I’m trying to get that choice rendered sooner rather than later, and I’m balancing that desire with the contrasting belief of impatience. Let me ask you a question along these lines. What if I spend no more time working on it or only do so when I feel strongly compelled? Will I still complete it to be a successful movie? Because I believe it will be done and actually produced into a movie.

ELIAS: You do generate this potential, and I may express to you that the potential continues regardless of whether you are forcing your energy or whether you are expressing more of an allowance.

Now; I may also express to you that the potential increases if you are generating more of an allowance and not forcing your energy.

PAUL: That forcing of energy part, I almost think that there are sometimes when I sit down and say okay, today I’m going to write whether or not I feel strongly inspired or not. I’ll try to get myself into the mood, because if I don’t write I won’t get this completed. Is that forcing my energy?


PAUL: (Laughs) So I should just sit back and say it will happen when it happens!

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking. This is more efficient.

PAUL: I feel that this is going back to a belief system of trying to set aside and accept a different belief system, that if I don’t put time and effort in this, I’m being lazy.

ELIAS: Quite an influencing belief, but not an absolute. As you recognize that this a belief, you may allow yourself choices rather than merely generating an automatic response to that belief and generating merely one choice, which is to incorporate forcing your energy.

PAUL: So in summary, if I only write when I feel a strong inspiration, I will still succeed in getting my screenplay developed into a movie.


PAUL: I can accept that! (Both laugh) I just gotta work on those old belief systems that hang around about productivity.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! This is the reason that it is important to be paying attention to what you are actually doing, what you are actually generating, for you may be expressing productivity in many different manners, not merely one.

PAUL: I agree. Here’s something that I’ve noticed for many, many years. What is it when I close my eyes, like when I’m real tired or sick or have a headache, and I see these light gray waves that wash across my inner eyelids? I started calling them pressure waves. Are they something else?

ELIAS: In actuality, this is your viewing of energy and your term for this energy is actually quite accurate, for it is associated with pressure that you express in relation to yourself. It is a viewing of the energy that you are pushing.

PAUL: Pushing, as in forcing?


PAUL: That’s why I see them more when I’m tired or sick.


PAUL: Okay, I can subscribe to that. (Both laugh)

Now here is one I’ve been puzzling about since a couple days after our last session. I know that there’s probably an answer for this, but I haven’t figured it out yet. In our last session, you confirmed my WWI pilot focus’ name of Ernst Hess, and when I asked you about that picture that was hanging in my bedroom of the three pilots, you said that’s him with his elbow resting on the plane. About two days afterwards, I happened to see the same picture on a website. It listed the names of the men in the picture and Ernst Hess was not one of the men that’s listed in the picture. The guy with his elbow on the plane was Vallendor, his last name. So I’ve been trying to figure that out. I know you guys have an answer for this; I haven’t figured out what it is, though.

ELIAS: (Chuckling) The response, in actuality, is quite simple. For within that time framework, individuals may have been expressing somewhat of a pride in their choice to be participating in what was occurring in events in that time framework but were also expressing frequently a secrecy as to their identities, being associated with certain heritages. This individual has merely assumed a different physical name.

PAUL: I’m going to have to ask you to explain that thought. Ernst Hess went into the picture and took a different name when he posed for the picture? But there is a pilot listed called Vallendor and he had a lot less victories in a year than Ernst Hess, so it appears that they’re two separate pilots. I think they both died during the war, if I remember correctly.

ELIAS: Or so it appears. In actuality, it is the same individual.

PAUL: (Laughs) Wait a minute! Now let me get this straight. Ernst Hess was shot down, but he came back from his injuries. He survived the crash, came back from his injuries, and took a role of this other guy for the remainder of the war? I’m puzzled on this. That’s why I’m trying to sort this one out.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) It is the same individual expressing two identities.

PAUL: But not obviously at the same time.

ELIAS: Somewhat overlapping, but for the most part, no.

PAUL: So it was physically in that timeframe — it was one guy?


PAUL: Okay. And he just took on... Well then, when did he die? (Laughs) Because I think two guys died. I have to look at that. I know Ernst Hess died during the war.

ELIAS: And I shall encourage you to investigate.

PAUL: So you’re saying Ernst Hess took on the role of Vallendor later on in the war? I think that’s what you’re trying to tell me.


PAUL: I’ve got to look up those dates. I’ll look into this.

ELIAS: Very well.

PAUL: What is my daughter’s essence name, family, alignment and orientation? My daughter’s name is Payton.

ELIAS: Essence name, Mya, M-Y-A (MY ah). And your impression as to families?

PAUL: Zuli, only because that just popped into my head, but I don’t know them that well.

ELIAS: (Chuckling) Impressions are not associated with what you objectively know, so to speak, for they are communications. But your impression of Zuli is correct as alignment. Essence family, Sumari; orientation, common.

PAUL: Here’s a dream I had a few years ago that I felt was real important. I’m trying to understand the meaning, that’s why I’m asking. I was in this dream where I was going along on this road and this individual stopped and gave me a map. He eventually helped me cross this energy barrier into another reality. When I crossed that energy barrier — I was insulated when I crossed it, like a box or something I like that — I was chased by a policeman who said I was not supposed to be there. There were several scenes — one where I was racing down an underground train terminal to escape being chased by the policeman. Then an agent, who supported me on the other side of the terminal, sent me back up the stairs, back into the reality where I ended up in this scene again. My job was to assassinate this policeman because another version of me was coming into that same restaurant with my daughter. My job was to eliminate the policeman from interfering with them. I assassinated this guy, basically killed him in essence. Then I had to hide behind a stoop outside the kitchen of this restaurant because my daughter and myself — my other self — were entering it and I didn’t want to be seen by them. What was the meaning, or what was going on with that dream?

ELIAS: This is imagery that you have presented to yourself in association with probable realities.

Now; in this, you may be viewing a probable reality, but what your dream imagery is expressing to you is information concerning interference in those probable realities, for you may project yourself into a probable reality just as you may project yourself to another focus of yourself. But interference with the choices of those individuals within a probable reality or within another focus is an intrusive act, and this is the one expression that is not expressed within essence.

PAUL: Is that something — without using a judgmental word — something I should not pursue?

ELIAS: What I am expressing to you is not that you may not view a probable reality or even project yourself into a probable reality temporarily, but that you incorporate what may be termed as caution in your movement within it, for interfering with it or interrupting it and attempting to alter the choices of the individuals within that reality is unacceptable.

PAUL: Oh, I didn’t. It seems like I’m not... I don’t know how it could get that far, because I haven’t been able to project myself in meditation to any of my other focuses very successfully. Are you saying that I may be doing that strictly in a dream state?

ELIAS: No. This is information — it is imagery that you are offering to yourself within your dream state.

Now; as you offer yourself information through dream imagery, you do this purposefully to allow yourself to become more familiar with yourself and with both your objective and subjective awarenesses and how they move together.

Now; as I have stated previously, the subjective awareness is more precise, so to speak, in its movement. In a manner of speaking, it may choose one subject to be exploring. The objective generates the same action but in a different manner, for the objective creates many different abstract expressions of imagery.

The significance of dream imagery is that this is an objective translation of the subjective actions — which may also be translated into objective imagery within your waking state — but it is not necessarily an expression that shall precisely or exactly match in imagery what the subjective awareness is generating in action. It shall be definitely associated, but within your assessment it may appear to be similar or it may appear to be opposite, but it is actually a complement. It is moving and generating the same action, the same exploration as the subjective.

Now; as you present yourself this dream imagery, its main expression concerns actions of being intrusive. The objective awareness may be presenting imagery to you, or you may be generating imagery concerning an exploration of what is intrusive or what is not intrusive.

PAUL: (Laughs) I understand what I’m not supposed to do about being intrusive. I just find it surprising that I’m telling myself don’t be intrusive, because I don’t think I’ve got that far along yet in my development to the point where I could even be intrusive!

ELIAS: This is not what I am expressing to you. It is not concerning being intrusive, but what you are presenting to yourself in imagery is concerning what is not intrusive in objective waking actions.

PAUL: What is not intrusive?

ELIAS: Correct, which is significant information. For within your waking state, you generate actions that you may be discounting of yourself, for your automatic association may be that the actions that you are incorporating might possibly be intrusive to another individual.

PAUL: Another individual? Or another focus of mine?

ELIAS: Another individual. We are speaking of this focus, objective imagery, waking state.

PAUL: Oh! So you think I’m giving myself messages saying don’t be intrusive upon another person.


PAUL: (Laughs) Oh, darn.

ELIAS: Not to express to yourself to not be intrusive to another individual, but to not discount yourself in the automatic association that you might be being intrusive. Let me offer an example. You may express an interaction with your daughter and you may generate an expression of conflict.

Now; as you disengage the interaction in subsequent moments, you may be incorporating a thought process evaluating what you have engaged and evaluating the conflict. But underlying that, you express somewhat of a discomfort in association with the conflict and an expression of wishing that the conflict had not ensued. In this, you are discounting yourself and you are generating an underlying association with a belief that if you are attempting to express direction or instruction with your daughter and you are generating a conflict, perhaps you have been intrusive to her — which you have not, but these are automatic responses.

This is the significance of this dream imagery, offering you a communication and information in relation to not discounting yourself, and recognizing that your expressions are your choices and you are responsible for you and not other individuals. Are you understanding?

PAUL: That part I’m understanding. I’m just trying to tie it back to what you were saying earlier, that I was viewing a probable reality and I was trying to influence or be intrusive to that other probable reality.

ELIAS: It was merely imagery, my friend, offering you a message.

PAUL: Well, good thing we get tapes on this. I’ll have to listen to that a few more times! (Elias laughs) I’ll get back to a further thought about how I process this stuff, and also get it in before the hour expires.

I do want to get to this next question — house condition, my house. I’ve had the basement drained, frequently from the washer and dryer. I’ve had damage from my sliding glass door by the deck, water leaked in and rotted part of the kitchen floor, and a skylight leak. I’m paying attention to the signals, I know that. Are these messages of a discounting of myself? Why am I creating all these images when I don’t want to have to hassle with repairs? What are these messages coming through?

ELIAS: And what is your impression as to the connection, so to speak?

PAUL: Because of all of the stuff that’s come up, the first message I get is I’m not listening or paying attention. If I was, I wouldn’t be getting these repeat occurrences.

ELIAS: What is the commonality that you view?

PAUL: The flooding of the drain in the washer and dryer area, that imagery to me, I think, means I may overdo it with my energy and overflow, in essence. The water leakage of the skylight and the water leaking in from the sliding glass door, the only thing I can think of there is maybe a discounting, because it’s a deterioration of the floor by the sliding glass door, rotting of the wood. To me, rotting of the wood relates to change, as in changing my previous structure or my previous beliefs.

ELIAS: Ah! Now this is more accurate — change. The commonality is what you have expressed as leakage, and in this, the imagery is associated with change.

Now; what occurs in a physical leak?

PAUL: Water gets through the exterior into the interior.

ELIAS: Penetrating a barrier and generating change. This is your imagery — penetrating barriers and expressing change.

PAUL: Well, that’s a good thing! Right?

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! In your terms.

PAUL: It’s not like I’m not hearing the message. I get that message loud and clear. Is the fact that it’s repeating — which is becoming somewhat of an annoyance to get these repairs done — is this trying to tell me, or am I trying to tell myself, that I’m not doing enough to foster this change?

ELIAS: What you are expressing to yourself is to pay attention. I may not necessarily express that you are not doing enough, but perhaps not paying attention to what you are doing.

PAUL: I even wrote this down in a couple of places, to pay attention to what I’m doing. I keep getting the response that okay, I’m on a treadmill and I’m paying attention to what I’m doing — I’m on a treadmill and I’m reading a book, that’s what I’m doing presently. It’s hard for me to think if this relates to something else.

ELIAS: But remember every action that you incorporate is influenced by beliefs.

PAUL: If I’m on a treadmill, reading a book... I’m reading in most cases Elias session material. (Laughs) So, I’m on a treadmill reading Elias session material. What I would be doing wouldn’t necessarily be on a treadmill working out; it may be a recognition of my beliefs that I need to know more or I need to keep my health up by exercising. Is that what you’re saying I should focus on, knowing what my current beliefs are in any given moment?

ELIAS: Yes! And recognizing the influence of those, rather than expressing automatic responses. For this allows you to familiarize yourself with your preferences, which is quite significant.

PAUL: So I’ve got when I’m doing a certain action I should focus on what are my current beliefs that are involved in my current action.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: Okay, that I think I can process.

ELIAS: (Laughs) You may discover this to be more challenging than you think!

PAUL: I was struggling with getting anywhere on this, but at least it seems I’m going down the right direction. (Elias laughs)

Elias, what are my dream triggers?

ELIAS: And what do you express as an identification of a dream trigger? Recognize that a dream trigger shall appear in all of your dream imagery in some form.

PAUL: Water, and I say that because I’m an Aquarius by my horoscope! (Laughs) Most dreams that I can recall off the top of my head seem to have water in them in some form or fashion.

ELIAS: This is one, yes.

PAUL: I have more than one?

ELIAS: Many individuals incorporate more than one dream trigger.

PAUL: But water is one, right?


PAUL: How many do I have?

ELIAS: This may fluctuate, for it is dependent upon what you generate within your associations and your imagery. Some individuals generate several dream triggers, for they may alter their dream expressions frequently and incorporate more diversity, so to speak, in their dream imagery.

Now; some individuals choose to be generating one dream trigger much more strongly than any others, and this may be more obviously recognized and easily incorporated to move into, so to speak.

PAUL: That’s water for me, then, right?


PAUL: Well then I’ll just use water as my main trigger.

The Iliad — that was a real historical situation, battle, if you will, in the Trojan war, in the Iliad and stuff? (Pause)


PAUL: Well (laughs), you’re supposed to say yes or no! (Both laugh) Was I a character in the Iliad? I mean, who was I in the Iliad? I guess I should say that, because I think there’s a strong probability that I was one of the characters in the Iliad.

ELIAS: You are correct, and what is your impression?

PAUL: Oh, geez! (Elias laughs) I was going to tell you that I think that I’ve always had this favoritism to the name Achilles. In fact, I almost named my one dog Achilles until my ex-wife didn’t like that. So I would say Achilles.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Correct.

PAUL: Cool! And I have to ask, could I ask you who were some of the other characters? Some of the folks on the Elias/Inmi list wanted me to ask who some of the other characters were. Who was Peleus?

ELIAS: I may express to you that you all participating in your group interaction may offer your impressions, and I shall confirm.

PAUL: Okay, I can tell them that. Cool, I like Achilles. Now if I could zoom in on a couple of the themes in the war, that would be really exciting. I’ll work on that.

ELIAS: Very well!

PAUL: I’ve had a lot of dreams in my grandmother’s house recently, and in one of the scenes I was coming up the stairs to my grandmother’s house into her garage, which sometimes doubled as a hall. In there was a dark scene of birthing of centaurs, and the people that were nearby had some shock and awe, almost like wails of protest associated with this event. Being that I wrote one of my children’s books about centaurs, I feel this has some meaning or bearing about whether or not I’ll get this book published or not. I’m just trying to interpret this dream symbolism.

ELIAS: And your impression?

PAUL: If I take the figurative translation of birthing of the centaurs, it means it will be published as a book. I don’t know how to take the, the howls or whatever from other people that were in that room. I don’t know how to interpret that, what that means. It’s almost like there’s a wail of saying this isn’t right or this is different. I couldn’t figure it out. Emotionally it felt like there was a protest that they couldn’t believe this.

ELIAS: Now; in evaluating the imagery and identifying the feeling of the dream imagery, what do you view within yourself that you are expressing in association with this book?

PAUL: If I view my book, that particular book, I view a level of frustration because it’s not published yet. If I view the symbolism of the dream, I get a feeling of almost like dirtiness, something uncommon, and there’s those people in the background saying how could this happen, how could this happen type of feeling, like it wasn’t right.

ELIAS: Now; associate that with you, not with other individuals, but with you and not merely in association with your frustration that it has not been published.

PAUL: The discounting?

ELIAS: Yes. Not necessarily of the subject matter itself, but a discounting of yourself that it is not quite good enough.

PAUL: When in reality it is.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: I thought that! I wish you’d give me a prediction on how soon this is going to be published, because I believe my three current works that are pretty much done and my one work that is only halfway done will get developed into either a book or a movie. You can answer if you’d like.

ELIAS: And you recognize that I shall not offer you a prediction! (Both laugh)

PAUL: Okay, fine. Let me throw out some quick ones here. Do I have a Dreamwalker aspect?


PAUL: I don’t know what else to ask about that because I’m not that familiar with them. Who built the Sphinx in Egypt? Why did they build it and when was it built?

ELIAS: These are questions that you may offer to yourself in exploring information. It is unnecessary for my answering of those types of questions.

PAUL: So you’re saying I can get the information through my normal waking or dreaming state.


PAUL: Okay! (Laughs) I had a scene — I don’t know if it was either a meditation or a dream, I can’t remember now — of Tibetan monks on top of a mountaintop. I don’t know, it was just a brief scene. I saw all of them there huddled around a mountaintop. Was that scene a focus of mine, maybe?


PAUL: Why did I zoom in on that focus of a Tibetan monk?

ELIAS: To view another focus and to offer yourself a focus to explore.

PAUL: What was his name?

ELIAS: As you have stated, you do not incorporate a strong confidence in your ability to be connecting with these types of expressions. Ha ha!

PAUL: But in reality I have!

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: I had a werewolf dream a few years ago that was extremely vivid, where I was laying in ambush and these people came in a shed and I actually bit the person and I felt like I was drinking their blood, like a werewolf would. It was so vivid I think it was not dream symbolism but possibly a focus from another dimension.

ELIAS: You are correct.

PAUL: So I was a werewolf in another dimension?

ELIAS: This is a translation of the beings in that physical dimension, but it is quite close.

PAUL: How many focuses have I had with you in this dimension, besides those three that we talked about once?

ELIAS: Twelve.

PAUL: Twelve altogether, or twelve in addition to the three?

ELIAS: Twelve in addition.

PAUL: So fifteen total. Cool! (Elias laughs)

I came across the word “Atahualpa” in the dictionary when I was looking for some stuff, and I noticed it because it resembles the name of my female shaman very closely, not identical, but it resembles it. Does that person, who was a Peruvian or an Incan leader of some type if I remember correctly, did I have some type of involvement with this person?

ELIAS: Associated with your other focus?

PAUL: Associated with my female shaman focus or another one?

ELIAS: You do incorporate another focus. Identify which focus you are inquiring of.

PAUL: Atahualpa is the name of a South American leader. I can’t remember if he is Incan. I just happened to come across it in the dictionary, but because it so closely resembles my female shaman name and I came across it, I thought it had some meaning or bearing to me, because nothing happens via coincidence.

ELIAS: I am understanding. And you are not associating it directly with that particular focus of the shaman, but inquiring as to what your association is with this other individual, correct?

PAUL: Yes.

ELIAS: That is associated to the other focus that you incorporate in that timeframe in association with this other individual. Objectively you know that individual.

PAUL: Okay. It’s not that I know this Atahualpa — it’s not me — but I know this person from my other focus there, and this other focus there is not that female shaman.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: What was I? Just a peasant, a courtesan? What type of role was I?

ELIAS: Servant.

PAUL: I can check into that one.

Could you tell me, did I have another famous military leader focus, like Napoleon or Alexander the Great, some military leader? Was I a military leader and if so, who?

ELIAS: I shall express to you, yes, you do incorporate a focus as what you term to be a military leader, and you may investigate it.

PAUL: Do you want to give me a timeframe maybe, within a century? (Laughs)

ELIAS: Very well. I shall offer to you a time framework of 1600s.

PAUL: Oh, I’m not very clear on that one. Okay! Well, I’ll look into that one here.

ELIAS: And offer yourself an opportunity to practice with your impressions as you are investigating.

PAUL: Here’s one that I’m circling back on from when we talked before. Sometimes I have confusion about how to process my tension versus thought in concentration. I’ve read many times in the Elias sessions about focusing on your tension in concentration and not your thought. I guess I’m using the osmosis method by reading this material over and over and over again, hoping that it will sink in further and further. Is there something else I should do or something else I could do to be more proficient at this?

ELIAS: This is more associated with choice and action. It is significant that you allow yourself to be paying attention to the actions that you incorporate associated with your choices and the communications that you express to yourself. It is important to be listening to your communications and actually genuinely paying attention to the choices that you incorporate — which are exhibited in what you actually do, as I have stated many times — for this offers you much more accurate information than may be translated through thought. It also generates an action of offering more information to the thought mechanism, which generates more of a proficiency in the thought mechanism to be translating more accurately.

I am aware that most individuals within your physical reality rely, so to speak, upon the translation of thought quite strongly in their evaluation of their reality. But as I have stated previously, thought is not always accurate, for you are unfamiliar with the action of offering it accurate information. The manner in which you accomplish that is to move your attention to communications and choices, communications that you offer to yourself and the actions or the doing of yourself which identifies your choices. In this, you shall express clearer information to the thought process and allow yourself to translate much more accurately.

PAUL: I’m trying to get proficient at that — I’m just walking down the path! (Elias laughs) I’ve got about a little over two minutes left, so I’ve got two quick questions. Did I have a focus as a – I guess it would be in a different dimension - did I ever have a focus as a dragon or something like that?


PAUL: In this dimension?


PAUL: Oh, darn! (Both laugh) Another dimension — just one?

ELIAS: Several.

PAUL: So, there’s another physical dimension where... And I could home in on those other focuses and see what they’re doing?


PAUL: Do they have names?

ELIAS: Shall you investigate?

PAUL: Oh great, probably a name I can’t even pronounce! (Elias laughs)

Last question, since I’ve only got about a minute left here. The tightness in my stomach area or my abdomen that a lot of times will limit the relaxed breathing, make it tight, and sometimes interferes with my clarity of speech, that’s a message to myself?

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: I’m just not clear on this message. I was making progress a while back where it wasn’t happening too much. Now it feels like it’s happening, at least the tightness in my stomach area is happening more frequently in the last two weeks, and I’m not sure of the message.

ELIAS: That also is associated with forcing your energy.

PAUL: So I’m forcing my energy more so now, therefore I’m getting this tightness.

ELIAS: Correct. That is associated with frustration and pushing your energy in a manner of tension. Therefore, you generate this constriction within that particular energy center, which also generates less clarity in association with your communications.

PAUL: Part of the frustration is the fact that my finances over the last two years have decreased. I’m on this new path and I want to stay on this new path, but I do have a fear that if I don’t have a success on this new path soon, my finances are going to run out and get me back into the corporate world, which I believe is not my place.

ELIAS: I am understanding. But this also, as we have discussed previously, is associated with your trust.

PAUL: I’m staying on that path come hell or high water, how’s that sound? (Elias laughs) So if I’m on this path, and it’s the right path for me — obviously it is — eventually I’ll have a breakthrough and not have to go back to corporate?

ELIAS: And this is associated with your choices. Pay attention to what you are actually doing, my friend, and trust yourself.

PAUL: I’m working on it. Elias, I notice our time is now up. I’ll be in communication with you further, either in the dream state or the meditation state or another session.

ELIAS: Very well — or perhaps all of these! Ha ha ha! And I shall be available and offering my energy to you in supportiveness, and perhaps I shall also incorporate an energy expression of prodding slightly with you to be incorporating more playfulness.

PAUL: I could do that!

ELIAS: (Laughs) Very well!

PAUL: So, Elias, it was a great pleasure again to speak with you.

ELIAS: And you also, my friend. To you in great affection, as always, au revoir.

PAUL: Au revoir. Bye.

Elias departs at 11:04 AM.