Session 875

"Listening to Elias' Subjective Interaction"

Sunday, August 5, 2001 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Paul (Xutrah)

Elias arrives at 1:19 PM. (Arrival time is 35 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

PAUL: Good morning to you, Elias!

ELIAS: (Chuckling) How shall we proceed this day, my friend?

PAUL: Well, my friend, in an unusual manner.

ELIAS: Very well.

PAUL: I wish to, on my side, understand and perceive more from a subjective interaction with you. As such, we shall begin with a short period of silence, and I shall listen. (60-second pause)

Well, my friend, I’m attempting to translate subjective imagery into objective terms.

ELIAS: Very well. Offer to myself your impression and what you have allowed yourself in experience and information.

PAUL: Indeed, it is a matter of allowing myself. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: I enjoy your mirth associated with these interactions, that’s the first thing that I found ... the continuation of the lending of energy which you have so willingly and generously been giving to me over the last few months. It is a reminder to me to be paying attention to self and to thin the flow of energy between myself and what I perceive to be outside of myself. That’s what I have at the moment!

ELIAS: And I am tremendously acknowledging of you in your assessment of the interaction. I may also offer to you objectively another aspect of communication that I have expressed to you in this subjective interaction, that being a communication to you to be recognizing YOUR energy, that you may allow yourself objectively to more clearly distinguish the movement of my energy. This also offers you the opportunity to become more familiar with your own energy expression and therefore allow yourself to pay attention to self more closely.

PAUL: I am understanding.

ELIAS: In this type of movement, as you filter the energy through your physical focus, you also filter this through the sensory action of your communication avenues.

Now; this is significant, for in creating or allowing that type of movement, you may identify what it is that you are expressing to yourself in the moment that you communicate objectively in thought an identification of the mergence of energies in subjective interaction. Your identification is that you feel my energy. This is the thought translation of what you are allowing in sensing through communication avenues.

PAUL: Yes, I define it more as a combination of feeling and knowing.

ELIAS: Quite.

PAUL: Yes. I have been paying attention, and it continues to be endless fun. (Elias laughs)

Just recently, within the last week or two - I define them as "ah-ha" moments - the question I asked a couple sessions ago about this IBS situation: I allowed myself to pay attention to the energy that I was presenting to myself, and the communication was fascinating. I was telling myself and presenting the myriad possibilities and probabilities that are being created right now, and I was translating them into a physical ... I can’t even say symptom, it was a communication. Fascinating.

ELIAS: (Chuckling) You are in actuality quite efficient beings are you not?

PAUL: And wondrous!

ELIAS: Quite! (Both chuckle)

PAUL: In my final focus I’m still fascinated by what is on the quote/unquote "other side." (Elias chuckles) I’m not sure that in the arena that you’re in that you sleep; but do you dream?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes, for all of consciousness creates a movement, an action, that may be translated in what you know objectively within your reality as dreaming.

Dream activity is a subjective action. Your recall of dream imagery is an objective translation of the movement that you are creating subjectively and the communication that you are offering to yourself in your exploration subjectively.

In this, other areas of consciousness do not necessarily incorporate objective awareness expressions. Therefore, the movement of subjective action or interaction may be likened to what you experience in your physical dimension as dream state. In actuality, in the area of consciousness that I occupy my attention, this dream state, so to speak, may be viewed as the dominant expression.

PAUL: Which implies that there are different focuses within the area of attention that you occupy...

ELIAS: Quite!

PAUL: ...and that there is a difference between them significant enough to translate that action into what we would in this physical dimension term as dreaming.

ELIAS: Let me express to you, my friend, of this one essence there are countless focuses of attention in this one area of consciousness. And in this, although each incorporates its own unique expression and design of attention, there is no separation. Therefore, no one is unknown to all of the others, for they are all attentions of one.

PAUL: Ah, it’s my limitation here that I’m still separating!

ELIAS: Which moves quite within the design of your physical dimension.

PAUL: Well, I guess I’m just going to have to wait.

ELIAS: (Laughs) You may conceptualize and offer yourself the experience of this type of movement and attentions. You do incorporate the function, so to speak, of conceptualization within your physical dimension, which allows you to be experiencing other aspects of consciousness which you engage.

I may express to you, my friend, there is no area of consciousness which I do not occupy. There is no area of consciousness that YOU do not occupy. Therefore, it is all accessible to you.

PAUL: Well... (Elias laughs with Paul) Would that it were quite that easy!


PAUL: It’s a matter of allowance, I understand.

ELIAS: I may also express to you, within the design of your physical dimension, engaging your sense of conceptualization shall offer you the experience and shall allow for the knowing, but this may not necessarily translate objectively into an identification that may be expressed through thought.

PAUL: Understand. (Pause)

I have been doing my homework.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! Very well!

PAUL: I think it was last session we talked about the number of male and female foci, focuses, that I have in this physical dimension, and I came up with at that point in time 512 male and 302 female.

ELIAS: Ah! I am acknowledging of your allowance of your impressions. You HAVE been practicing!

PAUL: And I even understand WHY the split is the way that it is.

ELIAS: Ah! And shall you grace us with the offering of your impression? (Both laugh)

PAUL: Ah yes, "The All-Knowing Xutrah!"

ELIAS: Ah! Quite!

PAUL: Yes, I shall! It’s because I am of the Borledim family; I am unfamiliar with male energy and much more familiar with female energy, at least in this dimension. I was just doing it for the experience.

ELIAS: In exploration of the expression and separation of gender, correct.

PAUL: Indeed. Now, what’s also interesting is that when I total these numbers up, it’s different than what "The All-Knowing Elias" gave me initially as my number of physical focuses.

ELIAS: And your explanation?

PAUL: Well, now this is a guess. Is it a process of fragmentation?

ELIAS: No, attempt again. (Smiling) This is presently an opportunity for you to objectively be creating an exploration. Therefore, in this present now engage the exploring, incorporating your intellect AND intuition, and attempt to offer yourself an explanation. What do you view?

PAUL: Mergence. I’m merging with other essences. It’s similar to what I have encountered many times in the dream state, that of combining my energy with that of another essence.

ELIAS: As observing essence.

PAUL: As observing essence?

ELIAS: Now; shall I also offer to you another element of information that you may be exploring? Not all of your focuses incorporate a particular gender. Ha ha ha!

PAUL: In THIS physical dimension?

ELIAS: Correct. (Chuckling)

PAUL: Oh, you’re rocking the boat again! (Elias laughs loudly) Okay. Oh, I love this. (Elias chuckles)

So some of my physical focuses, as we have discussed, are as an observing essence, correct?

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: And some do not incorporate physical gender. Ah, you’ve baffled me here.

ELIAS: HA HA HA HA! I have merely presented a challenge, my friend.

PAUL: Ah, yes! And I have had discussion about challenge with Michael today. (Elias laughs) Okay, I accept it.

ELIAS: But in this, you incorporate this term of challenge in playfulness and fun. Michael does not always incorporate those expressions in relation to challenge. (Both laugh)

PAUL: Oh, this is one case where I’m accepting it in fun. (Elias chuckles)

So, somewhat along those lines - I’m on an information gathering trip today - as final focus, when I disengage the remainder of the physical focuses that I have have the option of either disengaging or fragmenting and becoming their own essence. Is that physical focus that fragments the beginning focus of the new essence?

ELIAS: Not necessarily.

PAUL: Yeah, I didn’t think so. (Elias chuckles)

ELIAS: This is merely what you may term to be the impetus of qualities expressed in desire to be creating a new essence, but that the individual is presently physically manifest, in your terms, does not necessarily indicate that it is designated as the beginning focus. For be remembering, all time is simultaneous. Therefore, this essence and these focuses are already expressed.

In this, what is manifest in the physical focus is a focus of your essence, per se, and within the moment of fragmentation all of the focuses of the new essence are manifest. Therefore, this one is not necessarily the designated beginning focus. Another focus of attention or quality of that essence may be the initiating quality that focuses attention as the beginning focus. Are you understanding?

PAUL: Yes, I am. I love your term of "quality"! A quality of the essence is what I am.

I found another of my qualities. This would be current time frame. It would be Carlos, who lives in Bolivia, is around 80 years old, and is - just popped into my head - a Jesuit priest.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: And he has lent tremendous energy - this quality of essence has lent much energy - to me in the acceptance of my religious belief systems. For he has...

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: ...accomplished much in that arena.

ELIAS: You are correct. You draw this energy to yourself, my friend. Be remembering, all focuses offer energy to each other. You are all one essence. Therefore, there is continuous participation with all focuses. Each attention draws certain qualities and certain expressions of energy to their particular attention to be enhancing the direction that you choose in relation to your unique attention. In this, you provide yourself with the energy that shall naturally express the complement of the energy that YOUR attention expresses.

PAUL: And by "complement," you don’t mean the opposite. You mean something that merges with and enhances.

ELIAS: Yes, although at times you may draw to yourself an expression of energy that YOU define as an opposite to create a complement.

PAUL: Yes. My focus of Jacques comes to mind.

ELIAS: Quite.

PAUL: Continuing on my homework theme, my cat ... I did have a name - and you were quite astute there to call me on that (laughing) - I believe the name was Kalaki that my cat had when it was reconfigured as a canine. (Pause)

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: And was that the same physical focus that I buried my newborn son on the ice?


PAUL: You know, it really is a matter of allowance.

ELIAS: Quite! I may express to you, my friend, information that you present to yourself is in actuality not as difficult as you create it to be, for all of your information concerning yourself is available to you. It is merely an action of allowing yourself to trust WHAT you present to yourself and not question your presentment of information in relation to your beliefs concerning imagination.

PAUL: Yes, indeed. (Pause)

Oh, an interesting presentment to me: I met a person for the first time at a meeting recently that when I looked at her the first and second time I confused her with somebody else who attended that meeting on a regular basis. I believe that they are focuses of the same essence. Is that true?

ELIAS: No, counterpart action.

PAUL: Counterpart. Why did it feel so much like they were the same essence?

ELIAS: Parallel counterpart action.

PAUL: Parallel counterpart! I’ll be inquiring of Michael as to what that implies.

ELIAS: Very well. Michael is quite familiar with this terminology, as he engages this action with another essence and is in communication with the focus of that essence.

PAUL: Based on a dream that I had recently, do I hold objective knowledge of a current focus of the essence of Bohn? (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes and no. For in this recognition you are expressing an objective awareness, but you have not translated that objective awareness yet into a physical interaction.

PAUL: So the dream that I had was dream imagery to me that I was meeting the essence of Bohn, but the physical imagery that I put onto it in dream state did not correlate.

ELIAS: Is imagery.

PAUL: Yes.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: As long as we’re on dreams, I need a little help with this dream imagery.

ELIAS: Very well.

PAUL: I met your friend and mine, Patel, in the dream state in the physical focus of Paul. I believe it may have been Michael that drew the picture that Lawrence showed me, which is quite striking in and of itself.

But in this dream, I was conversing with Paul and he fell backwards between two obelisks, shall we say, in between them. I went around one of these obelisks and I engaged an energy exchange with Patel. The imagery there was similar to an old Star Wars movie where a person was encased in some kind of a block. I then went around to the backside, and on the backside, the back of the head of Paul, or Patel, was protruding from the back of that obelisk. My initial thoughts were it is some imagery to do with duplicity, but further investigations haven’t turned up anything. Can you shed some light on this?

ELIAS: I may also express to you, what you present to yourself in this imagery is the expression that all is not what it appears to be objectively, that there are expressions within your reality that are influenced by your associations, your definitions, your beliefs, and filtered through your perception, which may create imagery that may not necessarily be what it appears to be. This is not to say that there is any aspect of your reality that is hidden from you, but you are quite efficient in the action of camouflage. Therefore, at times you create camouflage in imagery which alters what the appearance of an expression is into another expression which aligns with your associations.

In this, you present this imagery to yourself in relation to my dear one that you may also allow yourself the opportunity to view that in creating an expression of appearances, you also camouflage what is possible by presenting yourself with the appearance of what is impossible.

In this imagery, you allow yourself to be creating a mergence, in imagery, with this dear essence, knowing of its expression of compassion and its expression of the truth of love, and you create an allowance of yourself to move with that energy but to contort it in a manner which creates the appearance of an expression that it is not, in actuality.

This is the opportunity that you present to yourself in what you deem to be safety, of allowing yourself to view how you create the appearance of impossibility, as influenced by the limitations of your beliefs, which camouflages the possibility.

PAUL: I thank you for that.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome, my friend.

PAUL: It is all a matter of degrees and steps in this physical dimension. I truly enjoyed the parlor trick we played a little while ago with each other, the lights going on and off. (Elias chuckles) I appreciate the lending of energy.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome, my friend.

PAUL: I believe I found a shared focus that we had when you were the wizard. My focus was named Rose, and I believe I was belonging to and aligned the same, Borledim, and I was a consort of yours.

ELIAS: Briefly, in what you term to be younger years.

PAUL: Yes. (Elias chuckles) And in a playful moment we created a window into the future, and we viewed Michael briefly.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: You had a lot of energy to share in that focus, did you not?

ELIAS: Quite! And quite efficient at manipulating that energy. (Chuckling)

PAUL: Indeed. Was your physical focus naming Raphael?

ELIAS: No - continue your investigation! Ha ha ha!

PAUL: I shall!

I’ve been presenting myself with very interesting imagery as of late. I met a person whose name is Stalking Cat, who has transformed his physical form into one resembling a cat. It had a lot to do with presenting myself, in an intensity, the belief system of acceptance of other’s physical form, and allowed me the opportunity to view how, as much as I pretend to myself - camouflage - that I do have such a thing, I really don’t. (Elias chuckles)

I did find what I believe is an other-dimensional focus that I shared with him, in which we were engaging some sort of overthrow of an existing government of some sort. Can you validate that one?

ELIAS: You are correct. I may express to you also that within this imagery, you allow yourself to be examining another aspect of the belief system of sexuality and your alignment with that.

PAUL: Interesting! I shall.

ELIAS: In this, you may be recognizing some influence of your essence family in relation to your beliefs concerning the creation of physical form and its efficiency.

PAUL: Interesting area of exploration. Thank you.

ELIAS: Quite.

PAUL: A question for my wife.

ELIAS: Very well.

PAUL: She experiences much sensitivity to noise, what we would generally categorize as not excessive noise, but yet it is disturbing of her sleep pattern and is, on occasion, quite physically distressing. She asked me to ask, "What’s up with that?"

ELIAS: (Chuckles) You may express to this individual that there is this creation of great sensitivity to sound and the hearing sense which is expressed in conjunction with the sense of touch also, for your sense of touch is not incorporated merely in your actual physical touching of an object or any expression of matter. Your sense of touch may also be stimulated in conjunction with your other senses. She is offering herself an experimentation of sensitivity in relation to the interplay of different senses.

Now; I may also express to you that this particular experimentation is in actuality quite purposeful and beneficial in relation to her individual direction in this time framework, for there is being created an exploration of inner sensitivity, an allowance for an expression in objective recognition of an inner sensitivity that may be expressed in relation to interactions with other elements that she perceives to be outside of herself within her physical focus - not merely interactions with other individuals, but allowing for an inner sensitivity that is accessible to the objective awareness in relation to what you may term as her world. This is the direction of her attention presently, which allows her movement in relation to this shift in consciousness: her own widening of awareness, her own movement in opening to her own periphery in her own design of her method, and how she chooses to present information to herself.

This is her method in which she is allowing herself an expression of recognition of inner sensitivity that may be translated and is being translated now in an expression of intuition and the recognition of that communication. It is being objectively physically expressed as a validation of sensitivity through the audible sense, which is moving in conjunction with the sense of touch. For this sensitivity to sound is being created in such an acute expression that it is also being experienced in physical sensation.

PAUL: Interesting.

ELIAS: Therefore, there is an opportunity to view the interconnectedness of physical senses, which also offers information to validate the interconnectedness of all senses - inner senses and outer senses - and the allowance of sensitivity to these senses.

PAUL: Very interesting. The way I explained it to myself is that she creates her reality in an intensity, but this sheds quite a bit of light ... a little bit of how.

ELIAS: And I may express to you, this individual may be creating in intensity, so to speak, but this also offers a validation to this individual with respect to the POWER which she possesses to manipulate the energy of her focus.

PAUL: Fascinating. I’m afraid we’ll have to wait for next session; I would like to open up the issue of personal responsibility - mine, of course - in regards to this matter, because it has been difficult for me to sort through this issue.

ELIAS: And if you are so choosing, we shall continue in this discussion futurely, and in this present now I shall offer to you the reminder that you create your reality and other individuals create their reality, and it is purposeful and these are all choices.

Each individual offers themselves information in conjunction with the movement of this shift in the manner that they choose, which is efficient within their communication to themselves and which shall move their attention. Therefore, recognize that your difficulty is expressed in your comparison of yourself and your choices, and how you create your reality with her choices and how she creates her reality.

PAUL: Thank you, sir!

ELIAS: Comparison many times creates conflict.

PAUL: Within me, of course. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Quite. Therefore, be noticing of this action and allow yourself to practice acceptance, and you may be moving your expression in less of an association of personal responsibility. Be personally responsible for yourself.

This is not to say that you may not be interactive with other individuals and that you may not choose any type of expression of interaction with other individuals, but in the recognition of your responsibility to you and that you do not hold responsibility to them. You are not incorporated in this physical focus to "fix" any aspect of your physical dimension.

PAUL: Oh, but that’s what I wanna do! (Elias laughs)

My dear friend, thank you very much for this time together.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome. I express to you, as always, tremendous affection, my friend, and shall continue to be offering my energy in encouragement to you, and we shall continue our discussion futurely. And be remembering to incorporate playfulness.

PAUL: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome. To you this day, au revoir.

PAUL: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 2:18 PM.

(1) Paul’s notes: Lest anyone (dog forbid!) get the wrong impression, I didn’t receive a message subjectively and then describe the memory of it. Actually, I was having a brief moment of panic feeling I needed to explain that nothing happened! Instead, I just started talking, "making things up." I believe the actual communication occurred in the moment I was speaking because I had NO idea how my sentence would end when I started it. Which is...

(2) ...exactly what Elias says happened!