Saturday, December 3, 2005 (Private/Phone)

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Marta (Bourjn)

(Elias’ arrival time is four seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning.

MARTA: Good morning, Elias! (Elias chuckles) How are you?

ELIAS: As always—

MARTA: As always. (Laughs)

ELIAS: And yourself?

MARTA: You know who I am?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Hello. (Both laugh) Nice to meet you again.

ELIAS: And you also.

MARTA: Okay, let’s see; first, I have a few questions from some people, okay?

ELIAS: Very well.

MARTA: Dora/Arria, she’s the one that...she wants to know about what she should be aware of that is blocking her economical situation. She seems to be having a lot of difficulty in creating money, and she doesn’t know what is going on.

ELIAS: You may express to this individual to be aware of her belief concerning lack and to pay attention in not concentrating upon the lack of finances—

MARTA: In the lack.

ELIAS: —for in this, what is created is precisely what is unwanted. If the individual continues to concentrate upon worry and frustration, that generates an energy that creates obstacles.

MARTA: Yes.

ELIAS: Therefore, if the individual interrupts that pattern by acknowledging what the individual already has and has already accomplished and what they are accomplishing now, that shall interrupt the concentration upon lack.

MARTA: Okay, then basically, because she was telling me also, she said, “Marta, you know, I trust myself; I trust myself, but it’s not working.” (Elias chuckles) And then from what you say, it’s not working because trust is not just a word.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: You know, she has to...I think what you’re telling me is an explanation that what...okay, basically to...to be aware of the beliefs she has on lack.

ELIAS: And to interrupt that concentration.

MARTA: She seems to be that she sees only and worries about what she doesn’t have, the lack of money.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: Okay, now about Rob . He has an interesting question. He wants to know what is the correlation between family essences’ intents, essences’ intents, and the focuses’ of attention intents? He asked me if there is a multiple intent and how it is; how it works?

ELIAS: What is the most significant is the intent of the individual. The intent of essence families is expressed in their qualities, which the individual naturally expresses in association with their belonging-to family and the family that they align with. You naturally express the qualities of those families. Therefore, that naturally complements the individual’s intent in a focus.

The intent of an essence is more associated with preferences, which may be expressed in a theme of how the essence manifests focuses and similarities in many focuses. But that may not necessarily be expressed in every focus, for the essence may choose to deviate from that and incorporate some focuses that shall provide other experiences.

MARTA: Than the theme.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: Yeah.

ELIAS: Therefore, the most important intent, so to speak, is that of the focus, for it is the choices of the focus that are ultimately important.

MARTA: For that experience.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Exactly. Okay, then because I that he was confused. He was saying that, for example, “How come that his essence choose to explore this physical dimension?” and then he says, “If it is, how come has anything to do with his—the focus intention—intent?”

ELIAS: Not necessarily, for the focus chooses the intent of the focus.

MARTA: For the focus.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: The essence is the...the...is a choice...is, for example, to be manifested in this physical dimension.

ELIAS: Yes—

MARTA: Okay.

ELIAS: —in curiosity and as another avenue of exploration.

MARTA: Yeah, which is not the only one, by the way.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: Yeah. Okay.

Now; I have another...another member of our little board in the Internet, . He wants to know his essence name, family, alignment; you know, all the data. He has only one impression that he sees that he’s an Ilda or Sumafi.

ELIAS: Both.

MARTA: Both? Then which one is his alignment?

ELIAS: Ilda.

MARTA: Ilda. And he’s Sumafi?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Okay, and he’s emotional?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Okay, how...orientation?

ELIAS: Common.

MARTA: Common. How many focus...focuses he has in this dimension?

ELIAS: 871.

MARTA: And in this frame timework?

ELIAS: Five.

MARTA: And he wants to know if he’s final, continuing, or initiating?

ELIAS: Continuing.

MARTA: Thank you. Okay.

ELIAS: Essence name—

MARTA: Aha, the essence name...

ELIAS: —Ponchue (PON-chew).

MARTA: Can you spell it please?

ELIAS: “P-O-N-C-H-U-E.”

MARTA: Oh, interesting. Okay. And . Good. Also, he wants...he asks if his attraction for darkness is a result of his intent or is it something he only thinks he wants.

ELIAS: Partially both.

MARTA: Both. And if he will be, for example, in reference of his intent, what would be the reason of intent related to darkness? To explore what?

ELIAS: And shall he not investigate that?

MARTA: Then he has to investigate that. (Both laugh) I’m asking for him, not for me!

ELIAS: I am understanding.

MARTA: Okay, another question for another individual, one of my students, Mandy Martin. She’s a young girl, and she wants to know also the same thing.

Now; her impression is that she’s Milumet and aligned Sumari.

ELIAS: Reverse.

MARTA: Reverse. Okay, then she’s Sumari, aligned with Milumet?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Her essence name?

ELIAS: Essence name, Dielu (DEAL-you), “D-I-E-L”—

MARTA: Excuse me, I need it . “E-I”—

ELIAS: “D.”

MARTA: “I?”

ELIAS: “D.”

MARTA: A “D”? Ah, okay. A “D,” “D.” I got it. “I”—

ELIAS: “I-E-L-U”

MARTA: “U?”

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: How you pronounce it?

ELIAS: “DEAL-you”

MARTA: “DEAL-you?” Okay. Alignment? I...I got it that. Emotional focuses?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Okay. Orientation?

ELIAS: Common.

MARTA: Common. How many focuses in this dimension?

ELIAS: 916.

MARTA: 500?

ELIAS: 900.

MARTA: Five or nine?

ELIAS: Nine.

MARTA: Nine. Seventeen...917?

ELIAS: 16.

MARTA: 16. How many in this time framework?

ELIAS: Six.

MARTA: Six. She’s final, continuing, or initiating?

ELIAS: Continuing.

MARTA: Continuing. Also, she wants to know what is her connection with John Lennon, because she feels connected with him.

ELIAS: Counterpart.

MARTA: Counterpart. Okay, those are my questions for the individuals.

Now; one of my focus’ verifications. I haven’t connected too much all this year; I’ve been mostly focused in objective life (Laughs), anyway; but I have a few focuses: Octavia, the sister of Emperor Augustus Octavian, who married Mark Antony?

ELIAS: Observing.

MARTA: Observing. , a future focus born in Spain, 2351. She’s a writer and a time traveler, and she writes about the different dimensions of time?

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: Okay. Lucilla, the daughter of Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Jacob, a Jew that was killed in Jerusalem during the first Crusades, you know, during the assault of the Christians of Jerusalem?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Okay. I connected with this focus, and then I had these strong feelings of being connected to Richard I, Lionheart. It was later, no? But I felt there’s a strong connection. I know this is not a focus of my essence, but I feel connected with this focus.

ELIAS: Counterpart.

MARTA: A counterpart. And the essence of this individual, I know this essence? It’s an individual that I know objectively?

ELIAS: Not yet, but a potential.

MARTA: Okay. Okay. Another focus: Nuno Alvares Pereira, 1360. He was a Portuguese general who supported King John I of Portugal.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Good. And I had the impression that his wife, Leonor de Alvim, was a focus of Axel/Pauline.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Okay. This a...This is my impression of observing essence: John Pearl, a present British holographic artist.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: Good. Juan Dialdo, a librarian in Argentina, 19th century.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Good. Sam Bork, a future Alterversity focus.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Good. Blaise Pascal, the French mathematician, 1600.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Now; I had this...it was very interesting because I had this strong connection that I have a focus with you and Patel, but it was in very, very ancient India, like—my goodness—700, 1500 B.C.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: Mostly like in the Ramayana period.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

MARTA: Both of you, we were brothers, and Patel is a female.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Now the relation with Patel, I’m not clear. Has anything to do with the...the...what is written in the Ramayana— Rama, Lakshmana, and Sita?

ELIAS: Indirectly.

MARTA: Indirectly. Because the names I got was Galeen, Shadir—that it was you—and Dajieta, Patel.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: And we were all brothers, and she was my sister or was the wife; I’m not sure.

ELIAS: Sister.

MARTA: Sister. She was our sister?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Okay, then this is the...the time is correct—700 BC?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Okay.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Okay. Is correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Okay. And both of us were brothers, and she was our sister. Okay. Okay, those are the focuses I have.

Now; I have a question that has to do with a focus—a manifestation of Seth. Seth expresses in one of his books that he was a pope in the 300s. And he basically, he says that he gave a name, Protonius Meglemanius III, and he was born in a small village.

Now; I understand that name was his common name, not his papal name. I got the impression myself that his papal name was San Marcos, was a pope for eight months in the 336.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Correct, good. Thank you.

Now; Elias, now you always...I know that your essence is Sumafi, but in one of the transcripts you express that you’ve chosen to represent the Sumari. Can you explain that?

ELIAS: That is associated with The Game.

MARTA: Ah, okay. Okay. That is only...just because also I was...then it’s only associated with The Game.

ELIAS: It is associated with The Game, and in that, it is a representation that I and each of the essences that participate in this exchange choose to—

MARTA: Represent...

ELIAS: —represent one of the other families.

MARTA: Okay. It has nothing to do that you are not the Sumafi, you know what I’m saying?

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: Okay. Okay. This is just a question of curiosity. You know that my mother, my brother, my father, and my godfather all have disengaged. And I guess I want to know if they are already in transition.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: All of them.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Okay, now, this is about something I experienced, or I understood. The other day, I was thinking that my essence, like all essences, occupies all areas of consciousness. Then I try...so okay, I’m going to try to connect with a focus of my essence in Area 4. Then suddenly, I had this understanding that they are not individual focuses of attention as we understand that term in Area 4, because there is no separation among all the aspects of essences; there is no objectivity in Area 4.

Now; then I was thinking that , for example, yourself, you are experiencing—you are experiencing in Area 4. Then, I got this understanding about what is experience. Let me see if I’m...I’m correct or not. There is no separation between the experience and the experiencer. I mean, you know, there is not an experiencer who has experiences. Essences’ consciousness are nothing but action. The action is the experience itself. And the experience becomes our knowledge, that is our awareness.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: As physically manifest that we create this separation, the separation division, you know, it is our objective perception which create this...this...state of “I’m an experiencer,” and then “I have experiences.” I have...I’m a thing that I have some kind of experiences.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: But in reality, we are the experience. We...You know, I can’t separate myself from my experiences.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: Then basically what my understanding then that Area 4, there is only action, which is experience.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: And I will tell you, in this dimension too, or any of the areas of consciousness. But in Area 4, there is the awareness of no separation.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: This is the difference. Then when I had these realizations, this is when I realize that in the term that we identify “focus,” they say whatever that I cannot connect with that...this...this kind of term that we give to a focus of attention in Area 4.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: Because it’s objective.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: Objectify this term, is correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Okay, then I was having this understanding, and I ask you what you think. In Area 4, there is no separation among all the aspects’ experiences of essence, as well there is no separation among essences. Then I saw that there is no, like, Bourjn experiences awareness, Elias experiences awareness, etcetera, you know—there is only awareness.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: And any essence holds or can access the experiences, awareness of any other essence.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: That is correct. What I call , right now, is an action of consciousness, which is experience.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: And as focuses in this dimension do experience this dimension.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Then I can say, in a way, I am my experiences.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Then I am now...you see that Elias, all this gave me a clarity.

Now; I have understand what you say about becoming.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: And now I understood very clear, much clearer. And also I understand what you said you manifest in this dimension to experience.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: It is very clear now. Then, you know, the purpose—and I would say the purpose of all consciousness, which every area of consciousness is focused, as consciousness is action, and action becomes experiences .

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Then, I...then I was thinking, then what is individuality? What is individuality? And then I said, well, I think individuality becomes a self-aware action experience of the gestalt of consciousness, that essence is part, which are not separated, but each action holds unique experiences. An individual is not about separation, but about expression of experience.

ELIAS: Yes—

MARTA: Okay.

ELIAS: —and personality.

MARTA: Then I was thinking, you know, that I suddenly I saw that many of the concepts that before I was thinking like different concepts, you know. Then I saw that in a way they are all synonymous, like consciousness, which is action, which is movement, which is expression, which is experience, which is knowledge, which is awareness, which is self. And essences that are a gestalt of consciousness, then all those terms apply to essence.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

MARTA: Okay. Well, this is what my little experience about of understanding what the word “experience” really is. Okay? (Both laugh)

Now; the other day I was talking with Baruch, and then he told me about one ongoing discussion in the Elias group. It seems that one of your answers in one transcript has created a lot of the confusion. Let me tell you what happened in this transcript. Somebody asked you—one individual—did you go through The Shift personally? And you answered, “I am.” Then he answered, “You are going through it now?” And you said, “For it’s occurring; I’m interactive with you. Also, I do incorporate attention that within your linear time framework may be viewed as already having experienced the accomplishment.” Okay. Well, because you said in that time framework Oscar Wilde was your last focus, this answer now has created confusion. There is a lot of speculation going on, some that maybe there is a fragmentation of your essence or maybe that you are observing essence in future focuses. Anyway, can you explain that?

ELIAS: I do not incorporate physical manifestations as focuses in association with this shift, but I am participating. And in the area of consciousness in which I am, so to speak, there is no linear time. It is simultaneous—

MARTA: Yes.

ELIAS: —therefore, I am present and interactive and experiencing this now that you recognize and participating in interaction with you, and therefore, participating in—

MARTA: Yeah.

ELIAS: —this aspect of this shift in consciousness, but am also participating in other aspects of this shift, even in its accomplishment, for I am not physically manifest within the physical reality, and therefore, am not bound to the blueprint of it, which includes linear time.

MARTA: Yes. Yes, these days, for example, because when I...Baruch told me that, I answered him not necessarily would Elias need to be observing essence of any physical focus.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: Or have any physical focus manifest. Not necessarily. And I told him my experience was I understood about experience.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: And then can the answer in this understanding of experience answer these questions?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Because he said what I saw very clear; then Baruch said, “Oh, Marta, you are right. Now I understand.”

MARTA: (Both chuckle) He said already these understandings have answered that question.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: There is no need to have any observing essences—being observing essence—or have any physical focus for you manifested to be experiencing The Shift.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: Okay. Good, that clarifies.

ELIAS: And there are essences that are not physically participating within your physical reality that are actually participating in the manifestation of this shift.

MARTA: And they have never had one manifested focus in this dimension.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: Yeah. Okay, this is the...and now, even more clear. Okay, now about a little event that happened very...a few days ago, at this time, in a little board that Arria and I, we have in the Internet.

It was interesting because I’m probably more understanding about the interpretation of the term ‘information,’ as well I was able to notice beliefs that myself I have in relation to the word...of the term fraud and fake information.

At first what happened, I noticed my emotion when two individuals kept insisting that you were a fraud and all your information, it was useless. You know, because...and everything was because they read in a transcript that you didn’t gave again the essence name to Nancy. I think her essence name is Jsanelle. But you told her to ask Michael about it. Then they have concluded, because that answer from you, you are a fraud.

Well, anyway, then my first...the first translation, you know, I felt my emotion and interpreted my emotion, you know, in a very traditional way—very automatic way—you know, that I was reacting to how anyone can dare to say that of my beloved Elias, you know? (Both laugh) You know, oh, they dare to say that, you know? This is my automatic thing.

But then I noticed that I realized that I was reflecting myself in those individuals, my own beliefs about fraud or fakes. And then it...helped me to...to...then when I realized that...that I was reflecting myself, that I was presenting that information to myself, then I have this I have this understanding about information: it’s our interpretation, translation, which affects...is affected by our beliefs that distort any information, whichever is the case, transmitting or receiving. That there is not really any fake or fraud information, there is only information.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: Each of us will interpret and translate any information differently according to our perception.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: Then I present myself information in every single moment of my life.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: I’m interacting with energy constantly. Then energy is information. Then, you know, like...it like, in this case, I was presenting this information. Then, in reality, it doesn’t matter the source of any information, what matters is our awareness to what we are presenting to ourselves. And as you say, when you say paying attention is what allows us to become aware of what we are communicating to ourselves, and this is what I understood, any information is just communication.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: Any information we present to ourselves is a communication and a way to become aware of our own beliefs, our preferences, and allows us to discern about to expanding our awareness.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: And then I...it was interesting because I was able to comprehend many things that I didn’t see before in myself. Then, basically, you know, then I realized how I assimilate—discern—any information depends on my awareness. My awareness defines my experiences, and my awareness knowledge, which is never static, expands according to my experiences. I know it (Inaudible), but I don’t think so, but in reality, it’s not because all those actions are just one.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Correct? Then, basically, I can’t separate my awareness knowledge, which is my assimilated information, from my experiences. Any experience is an assimilation of information, which becomes my knowledge awareness.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: That’s it. Then, in reality, it’s it’s only information. It’s our belief we...that we say this is a fraud, this is a fake, or whatever, you know?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: And it’s our belief, I’m aware, of interpreting things. But there is only information when there is communication.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: Correct. Okay.

Now; Elias, I wanted to talk to you about something that is, you know, a little about the origins of religion. There is an excellent research book; I think her name is Murdock—her last name—but her also name is Acharya. And, you know, I read her book, it’s a research book and very interesting, and after reading it, I have come to understand it better: the origins of all religions. You know, in her research, she provides abundant evidence that mankind’s predominant religious worship, globally for many, many thousands of years, has been astronomical and astrological. And then she calls that astrotheology, and she says that it has continued within the state of today’s established religion, and then...but having her work hidden under the cloak of , like those astronomic, mythological players being portrayed as real people who live in the world among us.

Then she says that since human began—or us—began personifying those gods or those, you know, goddesses as a story passed along from generation to generation, there has been a tendency to forget the mystical, mythical, allegorical, and symbolical, and non-historical origins of those entities. And then she presents in her book, she demonstrates how stories of the life of Jesus, Mithra, Horus, Krishna, Buddha, and many, many others are basically the same. It’s a repetition of the same story. Then this is what I’m asking: what is there in her research that is correct?

ELIAS: All of it.

MARTA: All of it is correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Is correct? Then I understood very clear. She did a wonderful, wonderful work in my opinion.

Now; my confusion comes with my focus of my essence that I connected from you that accompanied Jesus on his travels to Tunisia. Then who was this historical Jesus?

ELIAS: An individual.

MARTA: If he didn’t have nothing to do with the Biblical Jesus Christ?

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: Nothing. It’s a total different individual?

ELIAS: Not entirely.

MARTA: No?

ELIAS: There, in your terms, was an individual with this naming, and this individual did incorporate somewhat of a following, and did incorporate the profession of a carpenter and a fisherman, but what has been expressed in these stories are a creation of the collective.

MARTA: That he was represented in this...in this...in this case, for example, the Bible, or whatever, you know?

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: It’s not only Christianity, but other religions also.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Each one interprets it in their own way.

ELIAS: Yes. At times, within your actual physical reality, some individuals have actually existed within your physical reality, but what is attributed to them is created by the collective.

MARTA: Okay, that’s one example.

ELIAS: They are merely a symbol.

MARTA: Yeah, and therefore, is interesting to see because I read it, and she proved that, you know, how the life of Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Mithra, and Horus and all of them is exactly the same story. And in reality, what it is expressing is movement of the astrological sun, you know, that...it’s...it’s...I think...then I think—

ELIAS: But you create all of this.

MARTA: Create all that.

ELIAS: For you create the movements—

MARTA: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

ELIAS: —of your planet, and you create—

MARTA: I’m not saying that it’s not a profound meaning to all that, of course, but in the of people, they say, okay, it’s just the sun. No. You know, it’s a meaning because I’m creating the sun, and the sun...all this has a more deep meaning. I think so.

Now; my point is about those individuals for example that they...I’m talking about because I’m concerned about my focus of Samir—then this, for example, it was Jesus who that my focus, Samir, knew him and was with him...that he hold part...part of what has been said about him accurate.

ELIAS: Very little—

MARTA: Very little.

ELIAS: —of what is expressed of this individual was actually experienced by that individual.

MARTA: Very little.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Very little. And then after that he was choosing just to make all this a story.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: That’s what this is all about.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: And they create this myth of Jesus Christ, taking in very little from the historical individual.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA: And this happened the same thing with other religions and other individuals...individuals.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Okay.

ELIAS: This is not to say that certain writings being expressed by certain individuals in surrounding time frameworks were not quite real, for they are creations of their perception, but the ideas were expressed by the collective, and thusly individuals generate their own experience in conjunction with these stories, just as you do now.

MARTA: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now I get it. I was thinking already in linear time only.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: You know, . It’s very easy sometimes we get caught in, again, thinking in linear time, when I know that there is no such a thing, and that past and future and present, they are all happening in the now, and everything is affecting one another, and collectively we’re creating the past and the future, you know.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Yeah, but it’s easy to get caught in this kind of thinking.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

MARTA: Oh, gosh. (Laughs)

Now; another question, Elias, about reconfiguring energy. We, for the most part, we configure the energy, and it seems to me that when we configure, we’re objectively unaware of doing it. Then my question is: how I can reconfigure being objectively aware of doing it?

ELIAS: In being aware of your own energy. Altering your own energy in any particular situation allows you to intentionally reconfigure another energy by reconfiguring your energy.

MARTA: Mine first, yeah. The...The only way is by being aware of what energy I’m creating every single moment, in that moment.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: And this allows to reconfigure mine, which automatically would reconfigure my experience.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: And this is what is reconfiguring energy.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Because it goes to the experience.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Ja, now I see it. Thank you for that...it really...you...because I was talking to and Cynthia, and he was telling...say...“How we can reconfigure being aware that we’re reconfiguring?” you know, and I said, “Well, I will ask Elias.”

ELIAS: (Chuckles) By being aware of what you are actually doing, and therefore, being aware of what type of energy you are projecting, for what you are DOING is your indicator as to your energy. Therefore, altering intentionally what you are doing also alters your energy. That reconfigures it, and in reconfiguring your energy, whatever energy you receive, you shall automatically reconfigure also to reflect what you have reconfigured in your own energy.

MARTA: And this can be done objectively aware of doing it?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: And this is the point.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: This is the point. Well, I have only one small last question that . It seems to be that there is a lot anomalies of birth occurring, not only among humans, but also among creatures—animals. What is the reason?

ELIAS: There is an extreme of deaths.

MARTA: But —

ELIAS: It is an exchange. There are many individuals that are choosing to disengage and not objectively participate in the objective insertion of this shift in consciousness, but there are also many that choose to be emerging or entering into this physical reality expressly for the reason OF participating in the objective insertion of this shift.

MARTA: Because I saw some of cases that it’s just incredible. For example, not only...but, for example, one girl was born with a total head joined from the top of her head, and it was only another head, nothing else. And of course I have an anomaly of birth, you know, and if there are many, many cases, I just I...I was asking why is the reason for that? , you know, it’s just I don’t understand why this experience of that...I don’t...it’s just I...I was...I was curious because also I saw the same thing happening among animals—many creatures being born with many anomalies from birth, like a frog with five legs, or a snake with three heads. Things that I don’t understand why.

ELIAS: Expressing difference and expressing what you would term to be unusualness, not necessarily what may be expressed futurely as abnormal, but different, which emphasizes addressing to difference. That is the contribution.

MARTA: Oh...oh...and...and it also can be a contribution to ourselves to realize our human belief of what is normal and what is not.

ELIAS: Correct, and therefore, emphasizing the importance of the acceptance of difference and emphasizing automatic responses to difference—

MARTA: Yeah.

ELIAS: —and how, many times, difference can trigger an automatic response of revulsion.

MARTA: Yeah. Yeah, those two girls that they are living together, joined by the head, and you know, and I can see how many people, they can, like you said, feel this anomaly something like a conflict or something, and it feels...it makes us to face our own beliefs about what we accept as normal.

ELIAS: Correct, and—

MARTA: Accept.

ELIAS: —to be recognizing that, regardless of your own revulsion, that incorporates no bearing upon the value fulfillment of the other manifestation.

MARTA: But I have a question. For example, those two girls that they are already about 25 years old now, and they are joined by the head, and I also I saw two girls that they have all this upper part; you know, they have two heads, but they share only two legs. And then I was thinking, how...this the same essence?

ELIAS: Not necessarily.

MARTA: Not necessarily. Then how...who is creating the body—the physical body? How...how—

ELIAS: Both.

MARTA: Both. Both are creating the...directing the consciousness of the physical body?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Ah. Then it is like merging both essences.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: How interesting, because I was thinking, well, who is directing? It came back to our concept of separation.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Okay, but, like, you know, it has to be one or the other, you know—the concept of separation.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Correct.

MARTA: (Laughs) Always the same! (Elias laughs) Oh, we go to...I like...go to . (Both laugh)

Okay, Elias, anything that you can tell me that can help me. You know you are more aware—you are very aware of me—of my energy. Any advice, anything that can help me—not help me, but can give more awareness of myself?

ELIAS: I may express to you, you are accomplishing well, and you are offering yourself considerable information, and I would express to you an acknowledgment and merely an encouragement that you continue to be acknowledging yourself in your appreciation and recognizing your successfulness.

MARTA: Oh, thank you. (Elias laughs) Thank you. (Laughs)

ELIAS: You are quite welcome, my dear friend.

MARTA: Yeah, you know, I feel but it’s incredible when I get more understanding.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) And you provide this with yourself continuously.

MARTA: And information...and I say some people, when I talk to them again, I tell them everything is within you; all the answers are within us.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Just you will find them. And I say, because I know how all these understandings come to me; it’s within me.

ELIAS: Yes. (Chuckles)

MARTA: (Laughs) Yeah, it’s true.

Now; the last thing, a tiny, tiny, tiny question, is what...I want...is something that I’ve been noticing in my mind for a long, long time. Why I never felt truly, truly attached to my biological family? Like my parents, my sisters. You know, I love them and everything, but I never felt really connected to them.

ELIAS: I am understanding. But this is an element of your exploration. You have been exploring you throughout your focus, and in that, that exploration has always been your priority.

MARTA: It’s my own independence...I don’t know. Yeah, it’s not—

ELIAS: It is more a matter of your curiosity and your fascination with your own exploration of yourself, and in that, not incorporating a tremendous willingness to interrupt that with what you would associate as distraction, and generating what you yourself would deem to be closeness would almost be excessive with your expression in association with family, for that would generate a distraction from your own curiosity and fascination with you and your own exploration of you.

MARTA: Because I realize that I really don’t get attached to nothing and nobody, you know—this kind of attachment I see in other people.

ELIAS: But this is not bad or wrong, it is another difference.

MARTA: I’ll tell you what—asking you what...because you know I have one experience...one thing that I cannot remember correctly because my memory doesn’t...isn’t crisp. But I think I remember when I was very little, maybe about seven, eight years old—I don’t remember the age; I know I was like a little girl—and I was in my room, and I had this sudden feeling that I felt, and I remember I said to myself, “Who are those people?” speaking about my close family. (Elias laughs) I had a very nice relationship with them. I felt...I felt who are these people, they’re not my family; I’m not connected to them. (Elias laughs) You’re laughing because...and it went...it went away, but I remember that. You are aware of that?

ELIAS: I am understanding. Yes.

MARTA: You know, and I felt like they were totally strangers.

ELIAS: I am understanding. But this is generated for you have created such an intimacy with self that that becomes the most important focus—

MARTA:

ELIAS: —for you. And in that, there may be moments in which you generate this intimacy with yourself, and that creates an odd type of association with other individuals, for you do incorporate the roles and participate, and you do incorporate beliefs associated with certain roles, but also, simultaneously, to an extent, those beliefs do not quite fit with what you are doing. Are you understanding?

MARTA: Yeah. Very well, oh, yeah. Yeah. I’m understanding very well, yeah, because even with my own daughter .

ELIAS: Therefore, that creates this association of strangeness.

MARTA: Yeah, because I can see this with my own daughter. It basically has to do with my own...my own, let’s see, interests. —

ELIAS: Yes. Yes.

MARTA: Then it has nothing to do, for example, that those essences of my family...I was... my first connection with them?

ELIAS: No, you have incorporated other focuses with them.

MARTA: Oh, yeah.

ELIAS: This is more associated with this particular focus and your exploration and your fascination with generating this intimacy with yourself—

MARTA: Okay.

ELIAS: —and not choosing to interrupt that in creating an intimacy with other individuals.

MARTA: Yeah, and this is also perhaps with me because, you know, I I got divorced from my husband about almost 24-25 years ago or more, and I never wanted to...to get married again. I said I have to be alone.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

MARTA: And I felt always this need to be alone by myself, and this is the reason.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: Hmm. Oh, by the way, my ex-husband, Andreas, do I have focuses with him?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARTA: (Laughs) I don’t—I don’t think that we know each other (Both laugh) for many, many, many focuses. (Both laugh)

Okay, Elias, I...that’s it. I have to...we are already on the top of the hour.

ELIAS: Very well.

MARTA: Like always, I just enjoy so much talking to you.

ELIAS: And you also, my friend.

MARTA: And I have to say thank you, thank you so much for all the information that you have been...that I have been presenting to me from you.

ELIAS: (Laughs) You are very welcome.

MARTA: Because, yeah, it’s just...and I...all the time I say...there he goes...I just, again...I can confirm the veracity of Elias’ information, but again, this is communication that I am presenting to myself through you. Thank you. (Elias laughs) Thank you for that.

ELIAS: You are—

MARTA: And always remember, love you. (Both laugh)

ELIAS: And I express—

MARTA: Okay, Elias, until the next time.

ELIAS: —tremendous appreciation to you, my friend, and great lovingness. Until our next meeting, au revoir.

MARTA: Au revoir. Bye-bye. Love you.

(Elias departs after 57 minutes, 40 seconds.)

Note: (1) http://www.eliasweb.org/game

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