Pulling Out of the Tunnel of Despair
Topics:
“Pulling Out of the Tunnel of Despair”
“Faith or Rationality: Use What Is Natural to You”
“Turn Stubbornness into Determination”
Monday, February 10, 2014 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Rose (Quillan)
ELIAS: Good evening!
ROSE: Oh, hello, Elias.
ELIAS: (Laughs) My dear friend. And how have you been proceeding?
ROSE: Ah. (Laughs) I'm not very different except worse, especially physically. But I prepared a sheet of paper with text on it, and I think since the time is so limited as always, I just want to do a couple of quick questions, then read something to you and then let's see what will go on. Okay?
ELIAS: Very well, okay.
ROSE: A brief question for Togi. The conflict in the Elias forum: Is this a communication to himself to move on and leave the Elias forum behind because so very few can relate to his point of view currently? He wants a yes-or-no answer.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) A yes-or-no answer. I wouldn't express yes AND no.
ROSE: (Laughs) Okay. (Both laugh) Next point. I know I need to keep this short in some things.
ELIAS: (Laughs) Yes.
ROSE: Well, the vortex in Berlin I asked you about. I don't know Berlin at all, so I didn't find anything. Would you spill the beans, please?
ELIAS: I would express that in the city of Berlin, there is an arch.
ROSE: Yeah, there are many.
ELIAS: There is a very large, very famous arch, and that is the location.
ROSE: And do you know the name of the arch?
ELIAS: I would express that would be very easy for you to investigate, for the city is, in a manner of speaking, known for this particular one as a landmark of that city.
ROSE: Elias, the whole forum has been searching and nobody found it. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: I would express, you are looking too hard!
ROSE: Okay. So we are all stupid. Okay, next point. (Both laugh)
Why do I have so many things with Julie? What is this very special connection I have with her?
ELIAS: Ah, I would express that there are several points. One, that you share a very similar energy. Another, that that you generate a familiarity, for you incorporate many focuses together, but you also incorporate many focuses, in a manner of speaking, in other dimensions also. And I would express that you are counterparts with each other.
ROSE: Okay. I referred about her to my husband as she's like a twin to me. So I thought suddenly, “Oh, maybe she's an essence twin?” I don't know what it means, but would we be essence twins?
ELIAS: I would express that you are not essence twins, for that is a situation in which it is one essence that is fragmented from another essence, and that fragmented essence splits into two. That would not be the situation in this case. But, I would express that this factor that you incorporate very similar energy is a very strong factor in the draw between the two of you. For when you express a very similar energy in essence to another essence, it can feel very similar to being an essence twin.
ROSE: Okay. Next topic: I would like to have a few stats. My daughter is pregnant for the first time, and the new baby: Do you think it will be a boy or girl?
ELIAS: (Laughs) And in that, I would express that it is leaning in the direction of a girl, but that has not quite been chosen yet.
ROSE: But she's so far with this pregnancy.
ELIAS: That matters not, for an essence can change the sexual gender of the manifestation at any point, even to just prior to birth.
ROSE: Oh, cool. (Laughs) Okay, so are there stats to be shared already?
ELIAS: Yes.
ROSE: Come on! (Laughs)
ELIAS: Do you incorporate an impression?
ROSE: No. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: Very well, I shall share.
ROSE: Please. Okay.
ELIAS: First of all, essence name: Aivin, A-I-V-I-N.
ROSE: Aivin. Nice name.
ELIAS: Essence family: Sumari.
ROSE: Okay.
ELIAS: Alignment: Milumet.
ROSE: Ah! Wonderful.
ELIAS: Orientation intermediate, and focus type political.
ROSE: Oh, wow. (Laughs) Sounds very good to me. (Elias laughs)
Then we take the other family members. Fee's partner Ole: He must have something with Sumafi.
ELIAS: Belonging.
ROSE: Yeah. Okay. And Milumet alignment?
ELIAS: Correct.
ROSE: Oh, cool. Thought?
ELIAS: Correct.
ROSE: And… Hm, I don't know. Could he be soft? No. No, maybe soft?
ELIAS: Correct.
ROSE: Okay. Ha! Supi! (Both laugh)
Okay, then Jessica, my daughter-in-law. She is difficult for me. Maybe a softy?
ELIAS: I would express intermediate.
ROSE: Oh! Wow. Intermediate. Then she must be from all these families which I have no connection with. (Both laugh) Um, I don't know. Please give me the stats.
ELIAS: Very well.
ROSE: Okay.
ELIAS: Belonging to Gramada.
ROSE: Oh, wow! Okay.
ELIAS: Alignment: Zuli.
ROSE: Okay, I thought it could be Zuli, but she's perhaps an untypical Zuli because she's not doing any sports or so. Okay, intermediate and then emotional?
ELIAS: Yes.
ROSE: Ah, supi! (Both laugh) Then whom do we have? Sam! Our grandchild Sam. Um, oh wow. Give me the stats. Just give them to me.
ELIAS: (Laugh) Oh, being quite lazy this day, are you not? (Chuckles)
ROSE: No, I'm saving time.
ELIAS: (Laughs) Very well. I would express belonging: Sumafi.
ROSE: Okay.
ELIAS: Alignment: Vold.
ROSE: Wow. Okay.
ELIAS: Orientation common, and focus type would be thought.
ROSE: Wow, cool. Then Lucia, the grandchild Lucia. This would be the last. You give me the stats!
ELIAS: Belonging: Borledim.
ROSE: Oh, nice.
ELIAS: Alignment: Sumari.
ROSE: Okay.
ELIAS: Focus type: Emotional. Orientation: Soft.
ROSE: Yeah! (Both laugh) Yeah!
ROSE: Okay. Then, a brief question: The discord I feel between Ann and myself: Is this a cross-connection from something else? Or is this from this focus?
ELIAS: I would express that it is a combination of both.
ROSE: Okay. And does she feel it, or does she not feel it?
ELIAS: I would express somewhat, but not considerably,
ROSE: Okay. Because it doesn't matter to her, or because she doesn't sense in that direction?
ELIAS: Presently it is not as important to her.
ROSE: I understand. That's what I thought. Okay.
Then, is Andrew Basiago delusional with his Mars things?
ELIAS: Repeat.
ROSE: There is this guy, Andrew Basiago. He claims to have been at Mars and doing jumping and so on. Some things sound reasonable, and other things feel to me like he's completely delusional.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) I would express that your intuition is more accurate.
ROSE: Ja. Because especially when he jumps on people, and... Has Obama been jumping to Mars?
ELIAS: No.
ROSE: Ah, see? Okay, next point. (Both laugh) Now we come to me, because this is the most important of all.
ELIAS: Of course!
ROSE: Yeah. And Elias, especially this time I want specifics about myself, not so much generalities which you speak often in other sessions and which you repeat, but something I could only get from you in this session about myself specifically. So I am going to read: I wept a lot today because I feel like I'm not at all accomplishing –quite the reverse. Things are getting worse and my health is getting worse. And (emotionally) I've spent many years now reading and studying, and I feel I'm not accomplishing all. And I am actually tired of you telling me, "You are accomplishing," because it doesn't feel at all like that. It feels more like I'm in a catch-22 and have maneuvered myself into a situation like nearly a dead end road or in a catch-22. And so I'm tired of all this; I'm really, really tired. I'm tired of thinking or having been told that things would be so easy and experiencing that they are not at all. This is the first part.
Then, I am also really tired of not finding my answers the way I would like to find them, like in dreams or in like people say they come out of meditation with answers. I feel like being handicapped compared to what people tell that they find, and it's frustrating. It's really frustrating. I mean, I don't need to repeat what I have said in all the sessions prior that I can’t concentrate and my mind goes astray and blah, blah, blah. I don't want to repeat that.
Now the situation is, we had the last session in 2012, and my physical strength has... (emotionally) it has gone down the drain. Partially, my life is really a mess. I mean, I don't want to continue to live like that anymore.
Okay. And then I have so many questions, and I'm tired of studying and finding answers and not finding them. I'm fed up with this whole thing. And my life is partially that since I met you it's gotten a mess instead of better. Of course there are things that have gone better, so I'm not blaming, but I'm just... you know, sharing it all. So now this is for you to comment on.
ELIAS: Very well. And in that, experiencing considerable frustration.
ROSE: Oh, yes.
ELIAS: And in addition to frustration, I would express despair.
ROSE: Yes. At times more, at other times less, but underlying, yes.
ELIAS: I am understanding.
Pastly, we have engaged conversations in the directions of subjects that interest you and in addressing to questions that you have presented, in that, offered you and being encouraging to you, that that has also been most definitely in relation to what types of questions and what type of direction you wanted to engage.
Now; understand clearly: I do not express to you or to any individual information in regard to only what you want to hear.
ROSE: That's okay.
ELIAS: But I also will limit my responses or my information to an individual in relation to what direction the individual is moving in and what types of questions they are asking.
Now; in relation to that, pastly, you have very definitely moved in the direction that you wanted to heal your body in a very particular manner, and you expressed the direction of asking questions in relation to actions that you could engage that would be helpful in that direction. But you were very specific in your direction that you wanted information specifically in that one direction.
Now; I will also express to you that I do not move in directions with individuals to be intentionally discouraging of them. In this, what I would express to you is that there are other avenues that you could explore that would not necessarily be that direction that you originally presented with myself. In relation to the subject of could you possibly heal yourself in the manner that you want, I have expressed and would maintain, yes, it is possible. Is it tremendously likely? Not as much.
For, I would express that there are two significant factors in this situation. One is that you are not only a considerably intelligent individual, but you are also a considerably rational individual. Which is not bad; it is merely an identification of what you naturally express, accurately. That you are an intelligent and a rational individual, and you are generally a considerably logical individual.
And, in like manner to MOST individuals in your reality, you incorporate very strong beliefs in relation to the body consciousness and what it is capable of doing and what it is not. And thinking about what it could possibly be capable of doing is not enough.
Now; let me express to you, yes, there are individuals that do generate allowing themself to heal themself in the manner that you would prefer. And they may be intelligent individuals, but generally speaking, those individuals that generate those types of actions express two factors that you do not, necessarily. One is that in those situations in which individuals do generate this type of action, generally they incorporate a tremendous faith.
Faith can be expressed in numerous different capacities, in many different types of expressions, not only in the direction of God. Faith is a very strong trust in a force that you cannot see and may not even entirely understand.
ROSE: And that is what you say I'm lacking, because I'm rational?
ELIAS: Stop and allow me to continue.
ROSE: Okay.
ELIAS: Faith: I would express that generally, those individuals that express a tremendous faith generally move in an expression in which they are not considerably analytical. They are not considerably rational in their thinking and their evaluating. This is not to say that they may not be intelligent.
ROSE: I understand.
ELIAS: But they do not place IMPORTANCE upon rationale.
Now; in this, with an individual such as yourself, that is not to say that it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to move in this direction; it is not, for there is no impossible situation.
ROSE: I understand.
ELIAS: But – I would also express to you, more realistically, that it would be more difficult for you to move in that type of an expression, for you do not express that type of faith in some type of force that could create that miracle, so to speak, of healing expression for you. And individuals that express that faith, that is what they are expressing. They're expressing a trust in some other force, not merely themselves.
ROSE: Understood.
ELIAS: Now; in that, it matters not, for ultimately whatever they label that force to be, it is actually themself.
ROSE: Understood.
ELIAS: I am aware that you understand. In this, the difference is that you understand all of that information, and you understand these different expressions, but – for you, you are an individual that is very realistic. I would express the acknowledgement that you WANT to be idealistic. (Rose chuckles) But what you ARE is realistic.
In this, you WANT to be idealistic, and you want to believe in some force, in yourself, that would be strong enough to override the physical situations. But the rational, realistic aspect of you is continuously engaging information that appears to move contrary to that. Therefore, what you want to do and what you actually do are two very different expressions.
ROSE: It feels a little bit like one is living in a modern society and the other one is living in the bush in Africa, and the one living in the modern society can't go back to the thinking and feeling of the person in the bush in Africa.
ELIAS: Correct. That would be an excellent analogy.
ROSE: Yeah.
ELIAS: Yes. Now, is that to say that the one in the modern world is bad or wrong? No.
ROSE: No.
ELIAS: And is that to say that the one in the modern world is more limited? No! Their resources are different.
ROSE: So, how do you bridge that?
ELIAS: You use the resources that YOU have. In this, it is a matter of not continuing to move in a direction of attempting to fit yourself into the situation of living in the bush.
ROSE: Okay.
ELIAS: But to draw upon the resources that YOU have.
Now; in this, your resources in the modern world move in the direction of technology, not miracles.
ROSE: What do you mean with technology?
ELIAS: I would express that your resources lie in the direction of what is more natural for you. I would express that in this present time framework, your technologies have once again leapt forward in more innovative expressions, and some of those technologies have generated a considerable leap forward in relation to YOUR physical situation.
ROSE: What do you mean? Do you mean exoskeletons?
ELIAS: What I am expressing is that your technologies have moved in the direction in relation to the development of robotics, which are being presently, in this present time framework, applied in relation to individuals that express your precise physical situation, to offer that and to allow for the individual to not be confined and to be mobile and to walk.
ROSE: So you mean the exoskeleton from outside?
ELIAS: There are several different manifestations presently, which, if you are so choosing, you can investigate. What I am expressing to you is (sighs) an encouragement for you to move in a direction that is a benefit to you but within the expression of what is natural and realistic for you.
ROSE: Okay.
ELIAS: And that is accepting yourself that it is not good or bad, it is merely different that you are an individual that is realistic and rational, and to move in the direction of your resources in THAT manner.
ROSE: Okay. What is... Why do I have so little energy since 2012?
ELIAS: I would express that... Before I respond to that, what would your assessment be? What have you evaluated?
ROSE: Um…
ELIAS: (Pause) Let me express to you, my friend, as I did previously in this conversation but more so, you are an intelligent and very self-aware individual. Use that! Now express to myself: What would your assessment be?
ROSE: (Emotionally I started to give up?
ELIAS: Perhaps not entirely giving up, but discouragement. And feeling defeated, which I would express is very understandable. It is easy to be defeated when you are pushing yourself to move in a direction that is not natural. You do not live in the bush, but you desperately want to.
ROSE: But you guided me in the direction, in the way that perhaps has a part of all that. It's not to blame, but it's just to understand.
ELIAS: I am understanding, and in that, that is the reason that I am explaining to you that you were very determined to move in that direction.
ROSE: Okay.
ELIAS: And those were the questions that you presented to myself.
ROSE: Okay. But why didn't you say that in the beginning that I'm rational and intelligent and that the direction is wrong?
ELIAS: For it is not necessarily wrong. And, I will also express to you that it is not impossible. I would express that it is less likely, but that is not to say that it is not impossible. And, let me also express to you, even if I had expressed that in previous time frameworks, you would not have accepted it.
ROSE: That's true.
So okay, Elias, give me a percentage. How likely is it? I want to know if I give up or not. I want to decide on that.
ELIAS: How likely is it that you will walk?
ROSE: Yes.
ELIAS: I would express, at this point, if you move in the direction of using your resources and moving in your natural direction, it is much MORE likely that you would than it would be if you continued in the other direction. I would express that your greatest challenge in this direction will be yourself in relation to two factors. One, yourself in relation to money. I can express to you that in viewing potentials, it is likely that that would be a direction that you would rail against, at least for a time.
ROSE: You mean it's too expensive?
ELIAS: I would express that YOU may perceive that, initially. Therefore, that may be an initial obstacle.
ROSE: Okay.
ELIAS: Not that it IS an obstacle, for it can be moved around, but I would express that it would not be surprising if you moved in a direction of allowing that to discourage you temporarily. But now that you know that, perhaps you will not. (Chuckles)
ROSE: Okay. And the other?
ELIAS: The other would be difficulty, that you could perceive that moving in that direction and generating the effort that it may require to accomplish it, you may discourage yourself and express that it is too difficult.
Now; I would stress to you that this is a lesser of the two, for THIS factor would more so be in play as a residual of what you have been expressing. Therefore your motivation is already low, and in that, anything that you would present to yourself that requires what you think of as work, or effort, you likely would incorporate a brief time framework of expressing to yourself it is too much work, or it is too much effort, to investigate this and to move in that direction. But, I would express that that likely could dissipate relatively quickly, for you could also replace that with an inspiration of the possibilities that lie ahead.
ROSE: Okay. Elias, this technology you're talking about, is it available in Germany or is it in the United States, or where is it?
ELIAS: I would express that it is available in several areas. It is available in Europe. It is available in Germany to a degree, but it can be accessed.
ROSE: Can you can you give me a name of that?
ELIAS: This you can discover very easily.
ROSE: Ah! Like the arch of Berlin. (Laughs)
ELIAS: (Laughs) No, I wouldn't say you are much more determined in this direction.
ROSE: Okay, okay.
ELIAS: Now; in this, remember: This is a technology that is…
ROSE: Robotic.
ELIAS: … developed in relation to robotics.
ROSE: Okay. Elias! You have said this. If you don't come up with something new, I will cut you off here. What was the other thing? You said I'm lacking faith? What was the other thing? You said there are two things – one is lacking faith, and what is the other?
ELIAS: The rational.
ROSE: Pardon?
ELIAS: The rational.
ROSE: I don't understand.
ELIAS: It is not that you are LACKING in two areas. I expressed that there are two expressions that –
ROSE: I see. I see. I am too rational.
ELIAS: Correct. You are a very rational, realistic individual.
ROSE: Okay, okay. Then I have another question. You said something in Julie's session which gave me the impression that perhaps the body consciousness is exactly the same like the physical body; the body consciousness IS the physical body. I mean that in the following way: Usually when we speak about ourselves, we have a huge tendency to speak about ourselves from this perception from the body: “I am, and everything is from the body.” While in actuality, as far as I know so far, our body is an energetic expression in our consciousness, and the one we are is way, way more than the way we usually tend to look at things. You know? We tend to look out of the eyes, out of our mind from this, the everything is around us. But I've been thinking a lot about if there is matter or not, physical matter, and I’m coming close, but it is just the perception of like a slower vibration of energy, a densification of the particles? This is very layman-like expressed, but...
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.
ROSE: So I thought, the body consciousness is actually this identical expression of this lower vibration, and so in this way it IS the body, right? Or different.
ELIAS: It is the body in what capacity? Clarify.
ROSE: Usually when we say “my body,” then we mean this physical thing we can touch (tapping leg) and you hear it. And when we speak about the body consciousness we tend to think about this is the consciousness of the body, which is storing memory and so on and so forth. But I was thinking, when energy is actually everything there is, then in this way the body consciousness is the expression of consciousness in regard TO the body, and in this way, since everything is just energy, then the body is just energy and body consciousness is the same like the body.
ELIAS: Yes.
ROSE: Yes, okay.
Then, just for making sure, the direction of Don Tolman is not to be followed, for me?
ELIAS: (Pause) Clarify that.
ROSE: That is a man in the United States who is doing a lot of natural medicine, and he has been traveling the world to find specific recipes and so on. And he said he has brought several people out of the wheelchair, one person specifically I've found which is Jennifer Richie, and she certainly had this kind of faith you were talking about. That's my impression.
ELIAS: Correct.
ROSE: So, that would be a waste of money, in a way?
ELIAS: I would agree.
ROSE: Okay. And the same with the acupuncturist?
ELIAS: I would not necessarily express that acupuncture would be a waste of time or energy.
ROSE: Money.
ELIAS: For I would express that acupuncture would not be moving in a direction that would be contrary to your natural expression. And, I would express that the acupuncture could be helpful, not necessarily in relation to your spine, but it could be helpful in relation to organs.
ROSE: To what?
ELIAS: Could be helpful in relation to your inner organs.
ROSE: Organs. Okay, organs.
ELIAS: Maintaining and generating a more effective health in relation to that. I would not necessarily discourage you in the direction of acupuncture, but for a different reason and with a different direction.
ROSE: Okay.
ELIAS: I would not encourage it in relation to your spine, but I would express that it could be very likely helpful in generating more of an expression of health with your organs and then maintaining it.
ROSE: Okay.
Elias: What is the message? Why am I not accomplishing? Is there anything my essence wants to tell me?
ELIAS: It is not a matter of that, my dear. It is a matter of genuinely what you are paying attention to. And in that, at times, individuals and yourself can move in directions in which what you are paying attention to is being defeated. I would also express to you that another factor in this is, you incorporate a very natural expression of stubbornness. Now at times, that can be very beneficial to you, and it can be motivating, and it can be encouraging, and at other times it can move you in a direction of almost being stuck.
ROSE: Yes!
ELIAS: For you express this stubbornness in a manner in which you fix yourself upon a subject, or an expression or direction, and you very stubbornly continue. You stick to it.
ROSE: Ja.
ELIAS: In that, as you are aware, at times that can be very beneficial and motivating to you, but in time frameworks in which you are expressing discouragement or despair and frustration, it can also be detrimental.
ROSE: Okay.
ELIAS: For you fix your attention upon that despair or discouragement, and you hold it.
ROSE: Okay. (Sighs deeply)
ELIAS: What I would express to you, my friend, is a genuine encouragement to stop holding that. It is not a benefit to you, and it could easily move you into that type of despair that you experienced pastly which moved you in a direction of creating this physical manifestation. I would express that that is not a benefit to you. Turn that stubbornness in the direction to determination rather than discouragement.
ROSE: Determination in what aspect?
ELIAS: You do incorporate a very strong ability to be expressing determination. I would express that you are a very strong individual in that capacity. At times when you are feeling despair, you forget that, but I would express it is a very natural expression for you. And, I would express that you are very much similar to a lion with a bone: not so willing to give it up once you sink your teeth into it.
[The timer for the session rings]
It is merely a matter of giving yourself that bone to sink your teeth into – giving yourself an inspiration. And this is the reason also that I am encouraging you to investigate and discover, for that will engage you in a different direction.
ROSE: I'm not sure if I understand.
And now, Elias, what shall I do? I know you say, “This is your decision,” but what do you recommend? Shall I continue with having sessions with you? Or shall I just say, “Okay, this is it” and give up?
ELIAS: What I would express, in actuality, would be an encouragement, for I would express that you stand upon a threshold at this point to potentially move in a new direction in empowering yourself and moving more in a natural expression of yourself. And in that, it may be helpful to be interactive with each other and therefore offering you encouragement in this new direction and supportiveness in what you were engaging.
You are correct, it is your choice. My suggestion is that I would express it would be a benefit to you to engage in these conversations with myself.
ROSE: And would you recommend a rhythm? I mean, waiting 14 months for a session is just frustrating.
ELIAS: And once again, that is your choice. But once again, I would suggest that if you were moving in the direction of generating a more frequent rhythm with our interactions, it would be a benefit.
ROSE: (Sighs) Okay.
ELIAS: It is your choice, my friend; it is always your choice.
ROSE: I know. If you contact me or interact with me in a non-objective manner, I think I'm not getting any message. I'm not...
ELIAS: I am ALWAYS present with you -- always.
ROSE: Yeah, but I don't really notice much.
ELIAS: I am aware, for you are discouraged.
ROSE: That's true.
Okay, last question. You said in one of the sessions with Togi that I'm pushing energy. Do I still do that?
ELIAS: I would express that this day, this interaction is a step in the direction of changing that.
ROSE: Okay.
ELIAS: This conversation that we have engaged expresses to you the explanation of where you were pushing.
ROSE: Okay. Any last thing you want to say from your end?
ELIAS: What I would express to you is that I generate such tremendous appreciation to you, my dear friend – such a genuine affection and lovingness and recognition of your potential and your qualities that you may not see presently. And I am aware you have expressed you do not want to hear me express to you (laughs), but I would express regardless, you incorporate tremendous potential.
ROSE: Okay.
ELIAS: It is merely a matter of pulling yourself out of that tunnel of despair. And I shall be accompanying you in each step.
ROSE: Okay. Thank you, Elias.
ELIAS: I express such tremendous lovingness to you, my dear friend.
ROSE: Okay. Thank you. Bye-bye.
ELIAS: I shall be anticipating your next meeting. Until then, in tremendous affection, au revoir.
ROSE: Au revoir. Okay.
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