Shemsu Hor, the Shining Ones of Ancient Egypt”
Topics:
“Shemsu Hor, the Shining Ones of Ancient Egypt”
“Covid Test Accuracy”
“Definition of Counterpart Actions”
“What the Dreamwalkers Did”
“There Is No Official Reality, and There Are No Absolutes”
Monday, January 17, 2022 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and John O. (Arry)
ELIAS: Good afternoon!
JOHN: Good afternoon.
ELIAS: And how shall we begin?
JOHN: We’re going to take a break from this journey that I’m starting. I should be leaving in about two weeks, but we’ve definitely talked a lot about it, and I kind of just want to talk about other things and pick that up next time.
ELIAS: Very well.
JOHN: I have some other fun stuff to talk about, some interesting things and intriguing things, and yeah, just talk about some other things for a change. Starting with, I got sick two weeks ago, and I tested positive for Covid, and I guess my first question is, did I actually have Covid? Because I just took an at-home rapid test and I… I don’t know. I just don’t really know if I trust that (laughs), and my impression about it has been kind of unclear. I think that I did maybe just have a very mild case, but I was just curious to verify that with you.
ELIAS: (Pause) No.
JOHN: Interesting. Okay.
ELIAS: I would say that that’s not unusual, that in relation to the tests, even the most accurate tests, that if you have any other type of virus or bacterial infection or anything, that the tests will likely register positive.
JOHN: Hm. When Kristen was sick a week or two before that, she got much sicker than I did. Did she have Covid? She tested negative, but I’ve been curious if she actually had it or not.
ELIAS: One moment. (Pause) Yes.
JOHN: (Laughs) Oh, that’s funny. See, that’s so interesting because at the time my impression was… I mean, many people around me got sick. There’s been a lot of people getting sick these days, over the last month or two, with colds and flus and sinus infections. There’s all kinds of things, and everybody’s getting tested. And most people tested negative with a couple exceptions, including me, who tested positive. She was definitely one of the people who got much sicker, and I just kind of had the sense that she would have been the one to have it, if anyone, and not me. But yeah, that’s interesting.
ELIAS: I would say that this was the challenge in the first place, in relation to testing, is that it’s not accurate, and therefore it produces inaccurate numbers. I would say that they have created newer tests that are slightly more accurate than the older tests, but even with that, obviously, they’re not accurate.
JOHN: Yeah. I was just curious about that.
ELIAS: I would say that the most accurate indicator would be what symptoms the individual has, because there are some symptoms that are uniform. There are many symptoms that aren’t, and that people generate many, many variations of symptoms, but there are some symptoms that are consistent.
JOHN: Yeah. Well, I don’t want to go down a Covid rabbit hole. I was just curious about that (laughs), to verify my impressions.
ELIAS: Very well!
JOHN: Yeah. Let’s get to the fun stuff. (Both laugh) I’ve got a couple of focus questions with me and some other people, and then we’ll get into some other stuff. But I was curious: I listened to another, I think the most recent, session you had with Vivette, and a long time ago we had confirmed that her and I are soulmates, and you also said that in this focus we’re counterparts. I still honestly just never really understood the counterpart thing, and I know you described kind of different versions of counterparts, but I guess if you could just say briefly with her and I as an example, what does that mean? What does that look like? Like how does that play out? Did we have similar experiences in our lives? Is that basically it?
ELIAS: Not necessarily. What it means is that you benefit each other through your individual experiences. Therefore, you move in a certain direction with your experiences, and she will benefit from those experiences without having to physically engage them herself, and vice versa. Therefore, what she is addressing to or what she generates in experiences, you benefit from without having to actually physically engage those same experiences.
JOHN: Okay. All right. I think that’s what I understood.
ELIAS: And it generates a significant connection between the individuals.
Now, understand: You generate many, many, many, many, many counterpart actions. But when you meet an individual or when you are aware of an individual or you interact with them in any capacity, it enhances that connection.
JOHN: Hm. Okay. I’ve also been talking recently a little more with Samta and also started objectively talking with Avril more recently.
ELIAS: Ah!
JOHN: And I was curious about Avril and my connections. He kind of reached out and shared some of his more recent explorations with you over the last year, which is very fascinating, very exciting stuff. He basically kind of expressed that he’s really enjoyed my sessions recently and feels like we’re kind of on a similar journey. So I was just curious if we were also soulmates?
ELIAS: You and Avril?
JOHN: Yes.
ELIAS: Yes.
JOHN: And how many focuses do we share?
ELIAS: Your impression?
JOHN: (Laughs) You’re so consistent with that. (Both laugh) Something that’s been interesting to me is almost… A lot of times when I’ve actually thought over the years of various people, there seems to be a theme of numbers. My impression was 357, but I feel like I’ve had that exact impression about multiple people over the years.
ELIAS: And actually, this time I would say (laughs) no.
JOHN: Okay.
ELIAS: But I would say that you actually have a significant number more.
But in relation to that statement, that you have this idea that you have generated a very similar number with other individuals, that’s not actually unusual, because you manifest repeatedly with the same essences. Therefore, it’s not unusual that you would likely have the same or very similar numbers of focuses with other individuals that seem to be random or that they may not be connected with each other in this particular lifetime, but that doesn’t matter.
JOHN: Yeah. Well, sitting with this for another minute…
ELIAS: Because what I would say to you – and this is another piece – what I would say to you is that generally you ask those questions about people that you feel a connection to, or that you have some type of relationship with. When I say you manifest with the same people or the same essences repeatedly, I mean that quite literally. Therefore, the people that you are manifest with today, you might have relationships with some of them that you have been repeatedly manifest with. Others are still manifest with you, but they may be in roles that are very less significant to you. Therefore, they may be an individual that pumps your gas or that is your rubbish person or that is at your grocer. They’re still in your life, they’re still manifest with you, but in roles that you don’t necessarily pay much attention to.
JOHN: That just made me think of, when you said that, one example is I go to a coffee shop almost every day to do my work, since I work remotely. I work better in a public place, so I go to a coffee shop down the street from Kristen’s house. And they all know me there now because I’m there every day, and one in particular, this guy Jesse, he kind of feels like another example of that, someone that I feel a pretty strong connection with. We always chitchat when I’m there, and I get the sense that he kind of feels that as well. There’s just some type of connection there that is one of those… not someone that I’m super close with, but I see on a regular basis and I can tell that there is one of those deeper connections.
ELIAS: Yes.
JOHN: Yeah.
ELIAS: And I would say that with these other individuals such as Avril or Vivette, if you were in a different time framework without your computers, you wouldn’t necessarily objectively know each other.
JOHN: Right. Yeah. Well, going back to Avril, I’ve been trying to let this come through, but … I got three numbers. I feel like it’s something in the hundreds and the second numbers are either 7-8 or 8-7, and the first number is either 6 or 4, so 478 or 678?
ELIAS: 478, you are correct.
JOHN: Nice. Interesting. Okay. Cool. Are we also counterparts?
ELIAS: No.
JOHN: Okay. But we are on somewhat of a similar path, I guess you could say?
ELIAS: In some capacities, yes.
JOHN: Yeah. All right. Let’s get into something else. Recently, through these conversations that I’ve been having, Samta and I have been talking more online and just kind of talking back and forth about interesting things. I don’t exactly remember at this point how this came up, but we were talking about Egypt. You know, he’s got, as he calls it, an obsession with ancient Egypt. (Laughs) Which I basically said similarly, not so much specifically to ancient Egypt but I’ve been super fascinated with ancient civilizations, and I think we have very similar interests and perspectives on that. But I mentioned that years ago with you I had confirmed an ancient Egyptian focus of mine that I had a very intense experience with, where I think you had basically confirmed that we had started to almost merge in a meditation. I got this very clear image of this person and they seemed very aware of me, and there was the sense of mergence, and it basically was so intense that I stopped it and kind of forced myself out of that state because it was almost a little scary. But I mentioned to him that I had the impression of a name that was Shemsu Hor, and I asked you about that.
I don’t remember exactly the conversation. I didn’t go back to listen to what we talked about, but I think even after we talked about it I had done a little bit of research, and it’s actually more of a title and not a specific name. I don’t remember if you told me that. So we talked about that, and apparently the Shemsu Hor are these kind of… Yeah, it’s a title, and they… Well, Samta told me a lot more about who they are, what they did. But I was curious to talk to you more about that. I think he also said that in his last conversations he confirmed that Lyla also has a focus in that group of the Shemsu Hor or the Shining Ones, whatever they’re labeled as, and that my focus and her focus know each other?
ELIAS: Yes. As the Shining Ones, yes.
JOHN: Yeah. I don’t even know where to begin with that question (laughs), but I’m just so fascinated by that.
ELIAS: And I would say that he is correct; that isn’t a name, it’s a title.
JOHN: Right. I don’t even know how I would find a name, but is the name of these beings…? I’ve read a fair amount at this point about them, and apparently they’re throughout many different cultures that interacted with these beings. Were they only in Egypt, or did they also travel around to other areas and interact with other cultures?
ELIAS: They did travel. Yes. And they were interactive with other cultures. And this is what they have been asking questions about in relation to, not only in association with The Shining Ones but in relation to Egypt in general and other cultures. Because the Shining Ones did travel, and their purpose actually, as I expressed recently, was somewhat fueled by the “I” – ego – and in that, to be seeding cultures throughout the world.
JOHN: What was the timeframe for that, at least in my focus? I mean, part of my understanding or what I’ve read and talked about is they basically had extremely long lifespans compared to now, in terms of hundreds of years or maybe thousands of years. Is that true of my focus?
ELIAS: (Pause) Yes. Not thousands, but yes, hundreds. And I would say that you can access some of this information in relation to Samta and Lyla, because they have already researched and they have already asked significant questions, and they can share all that information with you.
JOHN: Yeah. Right. We’ve been talking more about it. I definitely would like to know more. I guess I’m kind of more interested in not so much the… Well, I am interested in the general sense also, but my focus in particular: Is there a name associated that I could research and find out? Or were they not really…? I mean, I guess they had a lot of different names in different cultures, but…
ELIAS: Yes, I would say that that would be considerably challenging.
JOHN: Yeah. Okay.
ELIAS: They aren’t necessarily known by specific names, and I would say you are correct that the names change in relation to cultures. And in that, I would also say that that in itself is somewhat of an interesting question and expression, because they didn’t actually identify themselves with a name, with a physical focus name, because in a manner of speaking they perceived themselves to be above that.
JOHN: Hm. I’m going to get into some other interesting connections with this that I’ve wanted to talk about for a long time, but to stick with just this one focus, they were human in the sense that they were physically born, just like normal humans. Is that right?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes.
JOHN: Could you give me a year that that focus was born?
ELIAS: I would say you can definitely investigate that.
JOHN: (Laughs) Argh, okay. (Elias laughs) Were they born in Egypt, or at least in the area that we know of as Egypt? Were they born there? Or did they come from somewhere else?
ELIAS: Actually, some of them were born in Egypt. Some of them were born in what you would identify as Turkey. Some of them were born in what you would see as the areas of Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, that area.
JOHN: Right. Almost like the Mesopotamian area?
ELIAS: Yes.
JOHN: Wider?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes.
JOHN: Okay. Were all of them from that general region, or were there other Shining Ones that were born in other parts of the world, in other continents even? Or did they all originate in that general area and then travel from there?
ELIAS: No. No. They basically were from that particular area, and then [inaudible] together and then traveled.
JOHN: Okay. So, reading about them – and I know I can ask more with Samta or Lyla; I’m sure they have more objective information that they’ve already covered with you, but I’ve been reading more about it on my own as well, and there’s an interesting connection that I wanted to talk about. Many years ago I read the “Oversoul Seven” series. I know that you’ve talked about how you were involved in the creation of that book; I don’t know about all three, but you were involved in that. I always found the first book, and in particular the story of Ma-ah in the Land of the Speakers, I’ve always found that to be super, super fascinating because it feels very related to these stories of ancient cultures and advanced beings teaching “less advanced,” quote-unquote, humans. And I’m curious how all that connects with it, partially because even the way that Sumpter and his people in the book are described is almost identical to how the Shining Ones are described. They’re super tall, fair-skinned people that don’t look like most of the people that they interact with and seem to be some different type of human or more advanced human or just different, but there are some very clear similarities. So I’m curious... This is difficult to even form the questions, but is there some correlation with that story in the book to the Shining Ones?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. There is.
JOHN: So would him and his people be considered Shining Ones? Were all of them, or was just Sumpter or just certain people of his group considered Shining Ones? Because it seemed like —
ELIAS: Actually…
JOHN: — he was part of a larger culture. In the book it’s not specified how many people were in his city or whatever, but there were children, there were other people, and that’s kind of all that it said. So I didn’t know if they were all similar to him or if he was sort of an elevated status within his people?
ELIAS: I would say yes, he was in an elevated status. I would also say that (pause) he was perhaps a representation, because this is a story.
JOHN: Right.
ELIAS: These are not actual people.
JOHN: Okay.
ELIAS: Therefore, I would say that in the story, yes, he is representative of something similar to the Shining Ones, and therefore I would say that yes, this is, in a manner of speaking, a reference to those types of beings, let us say.
JOHN: So… (Sighs) So this focus that I have, as an example, I mean how many of these people were there? Are we talking there was a group of ten, twenty, fifty? Or were there hundreds of them?
ELIAS: There were actually hundreds.
JOHN: Okay. So some stayed in Egypt to basically kind of… at least were seen as kings or rulers or something like that for thousands of years before what we know of as the dynastic Egyptians? But some of them also, like you said, spread out all over the world to help other civilizations and other cultures?
ELIAS: Or not necessarily HELP them, but seed them. It wasn’t… It wasn’t that they were moving in a direction of some type of humanitarian action per se, but rather, as I expressed, they were motivated by the “I,” by ego. They were motivated to be seeding other cultures – to express their legacy, in a manner of speaking.
JOHN: Right. And that’s part of the story with Sumpter and Ma-ah.
ELIAS: Yes.
JOHN: She comes to their civilization, and basically he’s like, “Well, if you’re going to stay with us, we need to mate and produce kids, otherwise you need to go back to where you came from.” (Elias laughs) And so their motivation for that… I mean, that’s part of what I’ve been curious about, at least in terms of that story, is what WAS their motivation? Because it’s not explained. So you’re saying their motivation was to pass on their own lineage?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes.
JOHN: But they would do that with people that it seems to me they would sort of see as almost lesser than them.
ELIAS: I understand, but I would say that it didn’t matter, because in that, these particular individuals were of a tremendously strong genetic code, in a manner of speaking. Therefore, that was what was the motivation for moving in the direction of being the seeders of civilizations.
JOHN: This is so interesting. (Laughs)
ELIAS: Let me also express that I have offered this information recently, that an individual asked a question about how you choose your family, or how you choose your parents. [1] And in that, what I expressed to this individual – and this very much is actually directly related to this subject that you’re speaking about – is that before you enter into physical focus, you create a pool of probabilities, as you are aware.
Now, in relation to that pool of probabilities, you are including your choice of family. It’s not only your parents. You do choose specific individuals in a family. You choose everything very precisely. You choose what time of year you will be born, where you will be born, to whom you will be born, what time of day – everything is very, very specific. But in that, what is more specific than your actual parents – because your actual parents, you don’t know much about. And the individual expressed the statement and the question, “Then would I express that when you choose your parents, it is similar to choosing a sperm donor?” And I expressed to the individual yes, that would be the most accurate. You’re not actually choosing this person; you’re choosing mannerisms. And what that means is you are choosing all of the manners in which these people express themselves. And you’re choosing that, and you’re choosing the lineage, the heritage that moves with it. And – you’re also choosing whether you engage a very strong lineage or not, because some individuals don’t have very strong genetic pools.
In this, it’s very similar with these Shining Ones, but they were aware that their lineage was very strong, their heritage was very strong, and therefore when they would be seeding these different civilizations, they would be creating a very strong heritage. Therefore, they were expressing their legacy.
JOHN: So… Hm. So many questions. (Both laugh) Would you say —
ELIAS: Ah, this is very much in common with Samta. (Both laugh)
JOHN: I am aware. Yeah. Would you say that most civilizations that we’re aware of throughout the world, at least since the last Ice Age, whether it’s the American civilizations, the Middle East, Asian, everywhere that we’re aware of through history that these sort of grand civilizations popped up – and there’s a lot of questions about why they came about and how they came about and how advanced they seem – were pretty much all of them seeded by these Shining Ones?
ELIAS: Most of them.
JOHN: Interesting.
ELIAS: Not necessarily all of them, but most of them, yes.
JOHN: At least originally, and then they kind of… Yeah, okay.
ELIAS: Yes.
JOHN: Interesting.
ELIAS: But I would also say that any of them that included pyramids were definitely.
JOHN: Yeah. So that’s part of the reason why so many of these cultures around the world had similar architecture and shared similar characteristics?
ELIAS: Yes.
JOHN: It was because they were… Yeah. I’ve got it.
All right, one other question about this: In the story – and this something that I’ve read about through other sources, too, this mystery of why there’s all these megalithic sites around the world that seem to be related to these different cultures popping up, and that they all seem to involve megalithic structures, huge pieces of stone that seem to defy (laughs) what would be capable for humans at the time – why were the Shining Ones, if they were the ones that kind of seeded all these cultures, why were they so interested in building with stone? In the book, with Sumpter and his people, they do specifically talk about how they basically erected them kind of telepathically or through sound or something, but essentially not through physical labor, so to speak, but just sort of some type of energy or intention and constructed these buildings that way. Is that something that was actually practiced by these people?
ELIAS: No. No. No. And I have answered that question. Now, I have expressed that there is a factor in relation to sound and the vibrational qualities; there is a factor in relation to that. But in association with telepathically moving the stones or moving them by levitating them, no. That is not how the pyramids were built. But – I would say, as I have expressed, that in the construction of the stones, in the cutting of the stones, the cutting of the stones was very important, and it was very precise. And that actually WAS done with the inclusion of sound.
JOHN: Okay. Why were they so interested in building these megalithic structures? I mean, why build with massive chunks of stone in that way? It just seems like a lot of work. I mean, I can understand —
ELIAS: First of all, remember what their motivation is, or was. Their motivation was “I,” ego. It was the expression of seeding civilizations for a legacy. Therefore, what does that mean? They are moving in a direction of creating something that will last.
Now, the civilizations themselves could not be depended on to last, because they involved people and choices and directions. And therefore, that cannot be depended on to last. But structures can be, and they were correct, because they are still a part of your reality. Not necessarily entirely and not necessarily entirely intact, but they are still a part of your reality, and they have lasted.
JOHN: Yeah, that makes sense.
ELIAS: That was the point, to create something that would endure.
JOHN: Right. And these people, like I said, I mean they were human, they weren’t —
ELIAS: Correct.
JOHN: I mean maybe different genetically in terms of, like you said, their strength and genetic strength and obviously living to much longer ages: there was a difference, but they were human, essentially.
ELIAS: Correct. What you would now perceive were superhumans, but still human.
JOHN: Right. And did they have more of an advanced knowledge of consciousness? Were they aware of essence families? Were they aware of multiple lives? Were they aware of simultaneous time? Were they aware of the type of concepts that you talk about? Or not as much?
ELIAS: No. Not as much. I would say, were they aware of multiple lifetimes? Yes. Were they aware of other expressions or of consciousness? No. They were aware of something other than this reality, but they basically perceived that in somewhat of a religious capacity.
JOHN: Right. So were they kind of the ones who brought these religious ideas to these civilizations?
ELIAS: No, no, no, no, no. Don’t misunderstand. When I say religious ideas, that is simply the designation of ideas or beliefs that are associated with some other life beyond this life, but not necessarily incorporating the structure and the beliefs that are expressed in reliGIONS.
JOHN: Right. So —
ELIAS: They weren’t creating religions.
JOHN: I see. That was more the civilizations themselves that receded from them, just over time developing their own myths and religions around their own ideas?
ELIAS: Yes. But I would also say that actual religions came much later. People and civilizations had spiritual ideas, but they didn’t actually incorporate formalized religions yet.
JOHN: I see.
ELIAS: Because their ideas and their perceptions of religious expressions or spiritual expressions, that was very intertwined with themselves in physical focus. Therefore, you have many of these cultures that are expressed in which the leaders of the cultures, or the elite in the cultures, are actually perceived as gods.
JOHN: Right. So in relation to Egypt specifically – I talked with Samta about this and I’ve read about this too – but the original kind of pantheon of Egyptian gods, the ones who according to Egyptians ruled Egypt before even the Shemsu Hor, were they also actually human? Or were they more similar to the Shemsu Hor where they were kind of superhuman? Or were they something else even more —
ELIAS: One moment. Repeat, repeat.
JOHN: The Egyptians talk about the Shemsu Hor being… they came after the original rulers of Egypt, so to speak. And those beings were considered divine and gods. Were they also just humans, and that just kind of built up over time, these mythologies around them in that culture? Or were they actually something different?
ELIAS: No. They were also humans, but they definitely incorporated the perception that they were gods.
JOHN: So they themselves did consider themselves to be some type of divine being?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes.
JOHN: Interesting. I guess one other connection with all this that I’ve been curious about is how this relates to the Dreamwalkers. Because you’ve talked about the Dreamwalkers, and some of us have the dreamwalker aspect and they were involved in the creation of this reality. Some of them were not physically manifest, some of them were partially physically manifest. How are they related to these early civilizations? I mean, obviously that’s much farther back in history, I would assume, but were some of those beings seen as gods by the humans that they were interacting with?
ELIAS: No. No. No. Dreamwalkers were involved in the creation of your reality at the beginning of it, and in that, in the blueprint, creating the blueprint of your reality. But no, they were not involved in the formation of any civilizations. They were not involved in any religious expressions or any mystical expressions or directions of any type of gods, anything in that direction. No, they were not involved in any of that, because that would have been directly involved with humans, and the Dreamwalkers were not directly involved with humans.
JOHN: Interesting.
ELIAS: They were directly involved in creating the blueprint OF you, of what you would be as humans, and the different species of everything, and the different configurations of consciousness in relation to creating physical form and physical matter and therefore the creation of perception. But no, as to the actual creation of anything that you express as humans, no. They have not been involved in that. They have never been involved in that.
JOHN: Okay. That makes sense. I get it. So most of what we know of now as sort of mythologies related to different cultures and their perceptions of what they thought of as gods or divine beings, most of that is basically humans that maybe were seen as superior? They had superior genetics or lived a lot longer, all the things we’ve talked about, and throughout time those beings were basically just sort of exalted more and more into this idea of gods?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes.
JOHN: So it wasn’t that like Dreamwalkers, for example, came at some point in early humanity and looked like gods and they were floating around and… I don’t even know how it would be, but yeah, you’ve answered my question. That makes sense.
ELIAS: (Laughs) Yes.
JOHN: All right. So, yeah. (Chuckles) Thank you for all that.
ELIAS: You are very welcome.
JOHN: That was a hodgepodge of questions that I’ve wanted to talk about for a long time, but… (Elias laughs)
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ELIAS: Very well. What I will say to you is not everyone creates the same reality. You all create your reality individually. There is no official reality that all of you are participating in; there is only the reality that each of you creates.
Now; in that, you don’t all create the SAME reality, even though you may be existing physically on the same planet. Even the configuration of the planet is not entirely the same for each individual. It is a matter of what you are individually creating.
And let me express a clarification in this. You naturally – as with any species; all species do this – you naturally gravitate to other individuals that bear similarities to yourself. That’s a very natural action. Therefore, you also naturally gravitate to other individuals that create very similar realities to what you create. Does that mean that you never venture out of that? Of course not. Some people do and some people don’t.
Some people NEVER venture beyond what they themselves are creating and therefore, they gravitate to only people that are creating very similar to themselves, and they remain in that throughout their entire focus. It is more common that at times people will intersect with other people that are creating very different realities. This is one of the main reasons that I have been expressing from the onset of this forum, for more than a quarter of a century I have been expressing the ultimate importance of acceptance of difference, because there is a considerable amount OF difference in your world. In your physical reality, people are not creating all the same reality. You THINK they are, because that’s how YOU perceive, but they’re not.
And in that, you think they are because you create a reality in which it seems that everyone else in your reality is creating the same thing, but they’re not. And in that, some people – actually, many more than you necessarily think about – but some people are creating considerably different realities than you.
Or, you could express that in the OPPOSITE direction, that YOU are creating a very different reality from them.
Now, in that, does that invalidate their reality because it isn’t the same as yours? No. Does it invalidate your reality because it isn’t the same as theirs? No. Does it mean that there is something lacking in you? No. There’s nothing wrong with you; you’re simply not creating that.
It is real. That doesn’t necessarily mean that it translates into your reality. Some of it may, at times, and some of it may not.
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ELIAS: Is it real in your reality?
JOHN: (Laughs) I mean if you, because I trust you —
ELIAS: It is not simply a matter of, “Do you believe it?” That is a very large piece.
JOHN: Right.
ELIAS: Because what you believe is what you trust. Therefore, that is a very large piece. But in addition to “Do you believe it?”, do you give yourself evidence that supports that? If you do, then you are creating a reality in which there are those parts of his reality that are real in your reality also. And it doesn’t mean that everything that he creates in his reality would translate into your reality – it could, but it doesn’t have to. It’s not an-all-or-nothing situation. And in that, you always have choice and it’s a matter of what you believe, what you trust and what you incorporate into YOUR reality. What are YOU creating? Because whatever it is that YOU are creating, you will create evidence to support what you are creating. Do you understand?
JOHN: I think so. Yeah, yeah. Generally, yes, I do.
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JOHN: I tend to keep my distance, to a degree, because of that, and that’s fine. Some of those pieces that have come up over the last few years, I’m like man, at some point I just want to ask Elias, like I don’t understand. I think we just want more absoluteness than there really is, in reality, and that’s something we have to come to terms with as part of the Shift—
ELIAS: Right.
JOHN: — is that things are not as absolute, anywhere near as absolute as we think they are, or want them to be.
ELIAS: I agree. Very much so. I would say, this is what I have been expressing to all of you from the onset of this forum, that they’re not absolute. There ARE no absolutes, and everything is very fluid. It isn’t black and white, it isn’t either-or, it’s very fluid and you move in and out, and you are all interconnected. Therefore, in some respects, ALL of it is part of your reality, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that you are in this physical focus physically participating in all of those aspects of reality.
Just as all of your focuses are YOU and you are participating in all those experiences. Are you doing it all in this moment with this attention? No.
JOHN: Right.
ELIAS: You’re not paying attention to all those other activities and experiences. You’re paying attention to the experiences that you generate now in this particular focus. That is YOUR reality.
JOHN: Well, speaking of my reality, like I said, I’m leaving in two weeks, is my rough plan. I’m sure we’ll be talking more about my path once I make it out to Tucson. Anything else you’d like to share?
ELIAS: I would say I offer my tremendous, tremendous encouragement and support to you, and I shall be engaging with you with my energy in every step.
JOHN: I appreciate it.
ELIAS: I would express to you, my friend, that I am offering my love and my affection to you in tremendous capacities. It is always with you as you travel.
JOHN: Thank you.
ELIAS: And remember what I expressed to you about the shadows.
JOHN: (Laughs) Oh, I have not forgotten that.
ELIAS: (Laughs) Very well. I shall be anticipating our next meeting, my dear friend. In wondrous love to you, au revoir.
JOHN: ‘Bye.
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(Elias departs after 1 hour 5 minutes)
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