Financial Planning; Magic; Theta State
Topics:
“Investing in Municipal Bonds”
“Trust: You Don’t Have to Have a Map”
“Definition and Methods of Magic”
“Experiences in the Theta State”
“Brain Utilization”
Saturday, June 19, 2022 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Nuno (Lystell)
ELIAS: Good morning!
NUNO: Good morning.
ELIAS: (Laughs) And how shall we begin?
NUNO: I’ve got a number of topics. The one that I’m going to start with is money. And we had a discussion a little while ago about municipal bonds and my wanting to start investing in those again. So there’s really two main questions with this. One is having to do with the timing and one’s having to do with the… I guess you might call it the modality, the way in which I actually invest in municipal bonds.
So on the first question on the timing, as you are aware there is a lot of inflation going on. The government is trying to reduce that by increasing interest rates, which of course will generally reduce the price of these bonds that I want to invest in, which is a good thing since I want to buy them. And it’s a question as to whether the market has fully priced these increases in interest rates that the government is now in a process of doing, and whether… The question is basically, is it a good time for me to start buying now or should I wait a month or two? I don’t have a lot of clarity on that.
ELIAS: (Pause) And what have you been offering to yourself in relation to your intuition?
NUNO: My intuition is that the government will continue to raise interest rates likely for two or three months more, something like that. I think it would appear that markets have to some extent already factored that in, but the government is suddenly putting a lot more urgency into it, so the rate at which they increase, interest rates are increasing. So I guess my intuition is that waiting maybe two months or so might be optimal.
ELIAS: Perhaps not quite that long. I would express that waiting slightly would be advantageous, but not to wait too long.
NUNO: So you would say perhaps a month?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: Okay. Thank you for that.
ELIAS: You are welcome.
NUNO: And on the same subject is, I have three different ways in which I can invest in these types of securities. One is that I buy the bonds directly. The other is that I set up what they, what my broker calls a managed account, which means that they build the portfolio and charge me a management fee, but basically I don’t have to do anything. They manage it and they… you know, ongoing basis. And they also would purchase bonds and all that. The other option is actually by buying something called closed end funds, CEFs, closed end funds. And this is actually what I had been investing previously. Some years ago, I had a huge portfolio of closed end funds, which were all, the funds themselves, were invested in municipal bonds. I did very well on them. There‘s some advantages to that and some disadvantages to it. So I’m trying to decide which of these three is best for me. I’m kind of right now inclined to just buy the bonds directly, because I feel fairly comfortable about that, not 100% comfortable but fairly comfortable with that. Going with the managed account is a little bit expensive. They kind of charge 0.4% for that, so I’m not sure I’m too happy about it but it definitely would offer some advantages, but l I couldn’t really influence that as well as I could if I buy it myself. So I’m trying to decide which of these three. Or perhaps you have some other suggestion that would work best for me?
ELIAS: Actually, I would agree with you in relation to you buying it yourself. And as to how you do that, I would actually say that it’s simply a matter of what you’re the most comfortable with. If you are comfortable with moving in the direction of the bonds that are more stable, then do that. I would say it actually doesn’t matter that much. It’s not a situation in which there’s going to be a tremendous difference in what you’re doing or what you’re buying. Are you understanding?
NUNO: Yes.
ELIAS: Therefore it literally is simply a matter of what you are the most comfortable with, because it’s not actually a situation in which there is any significant difference.
NUNO: Okay. I understand. In terms of the maturity on these bonds, you had expressed to me last time that I shouldn’t go past about ten years or so. So I’m looking at maturities no more than the end 2030. Is that acceptable?
ELIAS: That would be. Yes, that would be acceptable.
NUNO: Okay. Can I go a little bit longer? Or do you think that—
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: Yes?
ELIAS: Yes, you could.
NUNO: Say 2032 perhaps?
ELIAS: Yes, you could.
NUNO: Okay. That does help a lot, if I can stretch that out without adding to the risk of climate change. Okay, well that’s excellent. I’ve been having a lot of difficulty in trying to decide which way to go on this, so I thank you very much for that.
ELIAS: You are very welcome.
NUNO: Still on the topic of money, but on a different aspect of it, we talked about money quite some time ago and we had a discussion about that. And at that time, I expressed my desire to replenish what I have, and you said that that actually isn’t necessary. The difficulty I have with that is not understanding what you’re saying. I think I kind of understand what you mean by that. The difficulty I have is envisioning for myself how that would play out objectively. How would…? Like if I don’t replenish, how is it that I sustain my lifestyle, for example?
ELIAS: I would say that first of all, you are moving in the direction of investing. And then in addition to that, I would say that it’s not that you don’t have enough already to sustain your lifestyle. You do. (Inaudible) want to (inaudible). And I would say to you that regardless of whether it’s necessary or not, it’s definitely your choice, my friend. If you are more comfortable in moving in that direction, then that is an acceptable choice. It is certainly not going to be harmful to you. The only reason that I expressed in the manner that I did is because part of your motivation for moving in that direction is that it’s somewhat of an insurance policy for you, and that is expressing an energy of protection. And in that, it’s not that that’s bad or wrong, but you’re also moving in this direction of expanding your awareness and wanting to move in an expression of generating more essence energy into this focus. Correct?
NUNO: Yes.
ELIAS: Therefore expressions such as protection would be somewhat contrary to that. Therefore it’s not that it would be harmful to you in any capacity, but it may somewhat be contrary to your intention and your direction in relation to expressing wanting to be generating more of an expression of essence in this physical focus. That would be the only piece that I would express to you would be significant.
NUNO: Okay. I believe I understand what you’re saying in that, and I of course agree. I guess my question was if I just go in that direction and not be concerned with my finances, since I’m still engaging a reality that is very much tied to money, and I think according to you will continue to be so for quite a long time, and if I’m not generating in a source of money, it will be depleted. So I’m having a difficult time seeing how objectively that would play out.
ELIAS: What I would say to you is, then this is one of those situations of trust and recognizing that you don’t have to have a map in relation to the future, and that in moving in the direction of trust, then you will provide. And it’s not that you’re not doing anything. You are. But in that, you don’t know what you will generate, how you will create in relation to money futurely. But in that, if you are trusting yourself you definitely will create in a direction in which you certainly won’t have to worry about it.
NUNO: Okay. I understand that. I think it’s a matter of I don’t feel that trust with me right now, strongly enough to be able to move in that direction right now.
ELIAS: I understand. And in that, I would say that that is understandable and it is significant that you recognize that and that you can realistically express that yourself. And therefore I would say that moving in a direction that is more comfortable for you would be advisable, regardless of the factor that it may add time to your efforts in relation to expressing essence in this focus. But what is important is that you would add that time anyway in not trusting, because you would be uncomfortable and distracted.
NUNO: Yes, precisely.
ELIAS: Therefore it’s what you might term to be somewhat of a Catch-22. And in that, it is more important that you are expressing in a direction in which you are not concerned and are allowing yourself to relax and be comfortable, because in that, that does influence your trust.
NUNO: Okay. I understand and that is more or less the way I’ve been seeing it too.
ELIAS: Very well.
NUNO: Recently I was offered a job. It was actually quite a high-paying job, but I turned it down. I’m comfortable with that decision right now. I guess at the time I had a – this happened within the last few weeks – at the time, initially I was feeling kind of uncomfortable for having done that. I feel right now that it was the better choice.
ELIAS: And what motivated you to choose that?
NUNO: Because what’s really important to me is my direction in incorporating more of essence into the focus, and I felt that the demand on my time from employment like that would just disrupt that terribly.
ELIAS: Ah. Very well. But what I would say to you is, this is actually an excellent example of what I was expressing to you about you don’t have to have a map, and that you don’t know what you will present to yourself futurely. This is an example of presenting something unexpected to yourself and that’s likely not the only thing that you will present to yourself. Therefore in that, that’s an example of you expressing in a direction in which you’re offering yourself an opportunity and that you can choose whether to engage that opportunity or not, dependent upon whether it seems to be the correct opportunity for you at the time. But in that, you are validating to yourself that you can trust yourself, that you will present opportunities to yourself regardless. I would say that that is excellent, my friend.
NUNO: And even if I decline those opportunities?
ELIAS: It doesn’t matter. It genuinely does not matter. It’s not that if you decline an opportunity that that changes the energy and creates more difficulty for you. No. You are making choices in relation to what is important to you. It simply is validating to you that you can trust yourself. And the more you do that, the more you present those opportunities to yourself.
NUNO: Okay. Good. Excellent, then. I guess in a sense I was kind of looking for some kind of validation from you that that was an appropriate choice.
ELIAS: I would say I agree with you.
NUNO: Okay. Good. I’d like to move on to the topic of magic. I’d like to start by asking you what your definition of magic is.
ELIAS: As I’ve expressed, making the impossible possible. That is magic. Expressing the impossible being possible.
NUNO: But I mean fundamentally nothing is impossible. It’s just a matter of what your limitations are.
ELIAS: I would say theoretically you are correct, that yes, I agree with you that nothing is impossible. But does that mean you actually believe that? No.
NUNO: Mm, well, in some contexts I do. Not within a focus, I don’t think. That would be very challenging.
ELIAS: Precisely. That’s where you are.
NUNO: Yes. I guess my question was more on what you’re calling magic in terms of the process to achieve magic.
ELIAS: Meaning what?
NUNO: Meaning how is magic different from altering your perception?
ELIAS: I would say how is it different? First of all you may alter your perception frequently and in many different capacities, which changes your reality, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that you perceived that as impossible. Therefore, you might even change your perception dramatically, but then looking at what your perception was and what your perception is, does that necessarily mean that you would see that as generating the impossible? Perhaps. Most of the time, unlikely. That most of the time, however you would be expressing altering your perception, you wouldn’t necessarily be expressing that you had done something impossible.
NUNO: But if to begin with I believe it’s impossible, then it will be impossible.
ELIAS: Of course. But I would say of course temporarily. Because you might believe something is impossible and then something might occur to you or you might have some experience that challenges that, and then you might not think it’s impossible. And in that, it’s a matter of what you consider to be impossible in your reality.
Now; that doesn’t mean that someone else expresses the same thing is impossible. I’m speaking on an individual situation. What you believe is impossible and if you do that, which is impossible, then you have generated magic.
NUNO: Okay. The thing is though, is I genuinely don’t believe anything is impossible.
ELIAS: Ah-ah-ah-ah!
NUNO: But what I believe is that I don’t know how to do it. I don’t know how to achieve it. For many reasons, I don’t know how, but I do believe that it’s possible.
ELIAS: Therefore you would express that it is possible for you in physical focus to fly like a bird?
NUNO: Yes. I don’t know how, but it’s possible.
ELIAS: That’s what I would say is theoretically possible, because in theory you can say that you believe that it’s possible but in practice, as you’re expressing, you don’t know how to do it and therefore it’s not possible.
NUNO: Mm, I’d say I don’t know how to do it. That doesn’t make it impossible. It just means that that’s something I would have to learn.
ELIAS: What if it’s not about learning?
NUNO: Or allowing or… Well, I guess where I’m going with this question is, you’ve been talking to a number of people who are practicing magic, you know, by your definition, and I’m interested in that. I’m interested in accomplishing magic. But the thing is, I’ve always had a completely different view of reality than most people have. And my understanding of reality and how it is created doesn’t really allow for impossibilities. It’s just a matter of skill. It’s a matter of trusting yourself.
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: And it’s not a matter of waving a wand and making it happen. I mean, perhaps that can be an implement that aids in some capacity with the accomplishment, but ultimately what you’re doing is you’re changing, you’re altering the projector.
ELIAS: Correct. Precisely. I very much agree with you. And that’s what creates magic in your reality. What are you looking for as a different definition?
NUNO: I’m looking for some, say—I guess part of it is I don’t like the word magic, because it basically to me it means something that is unknown, perhaps unknowable, something that is secretive, perhaps even exclusive. And I don’t like it—
ELIAS: I would say that magic is none of those things. It’s definitely not exclusive. It’s not secretive. It’s not unknowable and it’s not unknown. It’s simply that yes, what you perceive to be impossible in your physical reality, but then that is done, that would be the definition of magic. And in that, it’s not that it’s unknowable or secretive or that it’s exclusive or special, that you have to be some elite individual to engage it. No. None of those things. It’s simply a matter of what is the most attractive method for you.
Therefore, some people simply see magic in everything in life, and therefore they don’t necessarily need a method. Some people are very disposed to engaging rituals, and therefore that would be their method of engaging magic. Some people like to engage in connecting in certain manners, and that would be their form of or method of magic. It simply depends on the individual and what direction is more natural to you.
NUNO: And what direction would be most natural to me?
ELIAS: Before I answer that, what would you say?
NUNO: I would say it’s something along the lines of what I’m doing with my energy exercises, in that direction.
ELIAS: I would agree. Therefore I would say that YOU generally are an individual that is more likely to see magic in whatever you’re doing. Therefore you don’t necessarily have to have a method or a ritual, but that if you want to engage a method or a ritual, that you would naturally engage magic in that also.
NUNO: Can you provide some more information as to how I would go about that? Let’s say for example that there is an object in my reality that I want to alter. Perhaps it was an object that got damaged and I want to restore it back to its original state using magic.
ELIAS: Very well. Then in that, I would say that it would be more successful for you to be engaging certain energy expressions. Therefore, not necessarily generating a ritual per se but focusing on the energy that you are expressing and pointing it in a direction of what you want to restore.
NUNO: Okay. And by pointing, you mean directing energy or actually—
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: Okay.
ELIAS: Yes. Projecting the energy in that direction. Therefore generating an accumulation of your energy, in a manner of speaking creating something such as a ball of energy and with your energy, and then directing it towards whatever it is that you want to restore and generating projecting it to that.
NUNO: Okay. And this method would also be effective not just for restoration but just for alteration?
ELIAS: I would agree.
NUNO: Well, I will definitely experiment with that.
ELIAS: Very well.
NUNO: Okay. Good. Good. I think that that was a very useful discussion. (Elias laughs) Here’s a question. Am I open to everything that you offer me?
ELIAS: Not always.
NUNO: Can you tell me in what areas I’m not?
ELIAS: Generally speaking, whenever you have a very strong idea or perception about something, you’re less likely to be genuinely listening. You’ve done it in this conversation. You’ve done it in this conversation in relation to magic. I expressed the definition of magic and you disagreed with me. Not tremendously disagreeing with me, but you are expressing a very strong perception about what you believe and therefore then you create a challenge in relation to what I’m expressing, and you’re less likely to listen or to accept what I’m expressing.
NUNO: Okay. And now that you’ve enlightened me, perhaps that changes?
ELIAS: That might. It might. And in that, I would say that that would actually be beneficial because whenever you move in a direction in which you are generating a challenge, then you’re not open any longer.
NUNO: Ah. Yes.
ELIAS: Therefore I would say that if that does help to alter that a bit, that would actually be a significant benefit to you.
NUNO: Okay. And that does help, yes. The thing is, is that even when I disagree with you, I know that ultimately I am wrong.
ELIAS: It’s not about being wrong. It’s definitely not about being wrong. I would not agree with that. I would say that it’s simply a matter of expressing to a point, and that at that point, then you reach a stop point. It’s not that you’re wrong. It’s simply that you have reached a stop point at that time, and that that’s as far as you can go with that at that time. But it’s important to make that distinction, that you’re not wrong, because that discounts you. And in that, that’s an important factor, to not move in the direction of discounting.
NUNO: Okay. I understand that.
ELIAS: Excellent. (Chuckles)
NUNO: I’ve just got some quick questions to get out of the way here. I tend to sleep on my back almost exclusively. Is that unbeneficial to me or is that acceptable or whatever?
ELIAS: Entirely acceptable.
NUNO: Okay. So during my energy exercises, especially when I’m attempting to achieve the theta state, frequently I fall asleep. And this obviously is not a good thing, especially in terms of the theta state. The thing is that even if I do the exercise at a time when I’m fairly alert and rested, it still happens. And the theta exercise in particular almost draws me into sleep. There is a difference, however, in that it’s a different kind of sleep perhaps. At night when I go to sleep, I wake up in the morning and I’m not really, in terms of my energy, I’m not… when I wake up, I’m not really feeling large amounts of my essence energy with me. But during the energy exercises if I fall asleep, when I wake up, usually the energy is very strong with me at the time that I wake up. So something is occurring during that sleep period that doesn’t occur during regular sleep. Can you shed some light on this?
ELIAS: First of all, I would acknowledge you in that and I would express that it doesn’t actually matter if you fall asleep because you are assimilating anyway, and that’s the reason that you feel different when you are engaging that action and you fall asleep and it’s different from when you are sleeping at night.
I would say that if you can move in a direction in which you don’t fall asleep, then you will likely have a different type of experience. If you don’t fall asleep, it will generate a type of experience that is similar to engaging a twilight sleep, but not precisely. It’s not the same. It’s similar, in which when you are engaged with a twilight sleep, you can dream but you’re also still aware of your environment. You are still aware of sound and movement in your environment. But in the theta state, you would be aware of your environment in a similar capacity, but what also is different is that you have more of a heightened awareness. Therefore, your awareness of your environment, although being somewhat in the background, is clearer and sharper. But in the foreground, so to speak, of your objective awareness is more of your experience of yourself. Therefore, that would include your experience of essence, because that is yourself.
In that, this is what many individuals report as having visions or hallucinations, but they’re not actually hallucinations. And vision might be a closer term to what you would be experiencing, because you would be experiencing yourself in many different capacities of what you are engaging at the time.
Now; that can involve many different things, many different subjects. That’s the reason that people report that they have visions or that they have hallucinations, because they’re in a manner of speaking seeing what they’re doing. They’re seeing what they feel. They’re seeing what they might be engaged with in relation to different subjects that are not necessarily something that they’re entirely physically engaging. Therefore, if you’re researching something, if you’re engaging exercises such as the ones that you are, if you’re contemplating different subjects, if you’re engaging with other people but not only the physical aspect of what you’re engaging, the other aspects of how you’re engaging with other people or simply life in general, the parts of your reality that are not necessarily entirely physical, and you’re not entirely thinking about but that are directly involved with what you’re doing, these are the parts that you would likely create visions about.
NUNO: Okay. My experience… First of all, let me say I’m not certain to what extent, if any, I am actually engaging the theta state in these exercises. I believe I am, perhaps to some extent, but I don’t have a lot of certainty in that. But my experience is generally… First of all, I do the exercise with my eyes closed and I generate visions of what I call energy visualizations. And what that means is generally cloudlike visions of colored clouds, most prominently purple. It’s basically that kind of vision. At other times, I will enter into what is very similar to a dream state. I guess it might be similar to a lucid dream state in that I am aware that, or at least to some extent I’m aware that I am engaging the dream state, but they’re just dream fragments and they have… They lack—
ELIAS: Actually my friend, that is.
Now; that can be developed, because that’s the beginning, in which you are having these fragments. That’s what I mean by visions. In that, that is what you would be experiencing in that state. Therefore that I would say is a validation to you that you are actually engaging it, because that’s what you experience in that state: visions. You’re expressing that you’re experiencing fragments of visions. Therefore, that’s a beginning. In that, it’s a matter of continuing to develop that.
NUNO: I’ve actually experienced that for some time, long before I intentionally wanted to engage the theta state. Even before I even knew what the theta state was.
ELIAS: And I would be very much acknowledging of you.
NUNO: Okay. And just generally, am I making progress with that?
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. I would say that the more you can hold in that, and the more you can actually tune in, if you are lucid enough to be aware of even fragments, the more you can hold in it and the more you can tune in to it, the more you develop it. And I would say that that is excellent.
NUNO: Okay. A quick thing here. Last time when we talked, I told you that the F-sharp tone was in my right ear, and that’s incorrect information. I got confused. It really is in my left ear. I’m not sure if you knew that anyway. My right ear is used for your energy. But also related to the F-sharp tone, it seems like it’s something that I’m not able to induce at will. Sometimes it will appear when, at odd times, like if I’m perhaps stressed or something, the tone will appear quite loudly. But if I’m sitting down to do an exercise, it actually diminishes. I’m very confused on this.
[The timer for the end of the session rings]
ELIAS: I would say that if you are relaxed and if you are moving in a direction of being quiet, you’re likely pushing it to quiet it, and that may be the reason that it’s diminishing. And I would say that that’s not necessarily bad. That it’s not pushing it away entirely. You’re simply toning it down, in a manner of speaking, and in that, allowing yourself to move in a direction of not being distracted by it.
NUNO: Okay. I was kind of wanting to be able to use it to enhance the theta state.
ELIAS: I would say that that might not be as successful, because it might be too distracting. Therefore, I would say tuning it down actually can be helpful because you can be aware that you’re engaging it and you can move in that direction of, in a manner of speaking, using it but not being in a position of paying attention to it. Are you understanding?
NUNO: Yes. I understand that. Yeah.
ELIAS: Excellent.
NUNO: One last quick question. What is my percentage of brain utilization currently?
ELIAS: One moment. (Pause) 16%. That’s impressive. [1]
NUNO: Hm. Yeah. That’s good.
ELIAS: That IS good. That is quite impressive, I would say.
NUNO: Excellent. My headaches are paying off. (Elias laughs) The funny thing is, I actually get discouraged if I don’t have headaches.
ELIAS: (Laughs) That would be a new expression. (Both laugh)
NUNO: Okay.
ELIAS: I am tremendously encouraging of you, my friend. (Laughs) And I shall be very much continuing to express my energy with you in helpfulness and encouragement. And (laughs) I shall greatly be anticipating our next meeting. (Chuckles)
In tremendous love to you as always and dear friendship, au revoir.
NUNO: Au revoir.
(Elias departs after 1 hour 1 minute)
[1] Elias previously defined the normal amount of brain usage as 1/8 (12.5%), therefore 16% would be a 28% increase from 12.5%.
From Session 202107251:
ELIAS: You are actually engaging activity in more of the brain. Think about it in this manner. If you visualize your physical brain, think about you actually are engaging usually with, I would say, approximately an eighth of your brain. Therefore, one-eighth of your brain is accustomed to being exercised and being used and being engaged.
Now; this is not the same as creating new grooves, new neurological pathways. This is different. This is your existing brain. And in that, there is seven-eighths of it that simply exist. They aren’t being used. It isn’t being engaged. Therefore, it isn’t being exercised. One-eighth of it is constantly being engaged and is being exercised, and is very fit. And the other seven-eighths of it are dormant. Now you are beginning to use more of your brain and therefore, the parts of your brain that you are beginning to use are sore because they aren’t accustomed to being used.
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