The Brain-CNS-Gut Communication System
Topics:
“The Brain-CNS-Gut Communication System”
“The Poisoned Plum Analogy”
“Injury and Dis-Ease”
“The Importance of Movement and Meditation”
“Feelings, Emotions and Thinking”
“The Importance of Balance and Self-Awareness”
“Vaccines vs. What We Believe”
[Note: This is a combination of two sessions: a one-hour group-funded session held on October 8, 2025, preceded by an excerpt from a personal session held on August 29, 2025.]
PART 1
Friday, August 29, 2025 (Private/In Person)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Jean (Lyla)
(Excerpt begins partway through)
JEAN: Okay. You said that all disease begins in the gut. Remember? (Elias nods yes) Is this the same with animals too?
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: But then, where I get confused, you said it's like the indigo center, the neurological system, the brain that then… it’s the neurological system that instructs the body consciousness to create a physical manifestation. So what's the correlation between “it's the brain doing it, no but it's the gut doing it”?
ELIAS: It's both. Because your gut is what manifests. That is your brain moving in the direction of sending signals to your neurological system, which goes throughout your entire body, and your gut uses that to target whatever physical manifestation you're going to create, and then creates that.
JEAN: So, just using my hip as an example, the brain sent neurological impulses to the gut and then the GUT created? (Elias nods yes) How does the gut create...?
ELIAS: How does that happen? Because it has to do with how your body is functioning, which includes what you're consuming, how you're moving – meaning exercise, not necessarily formal exercise – what you are expressing in feeling and emotion, what you are expressing in mental and thinking, what you are doing inwardly – which is what we have been discussing in our entire last conversation. Therefore, when you put all of those things together, the PHYSICAL aspect of it is that your gut is what is… (sighs) receiving all of that and, in a manner of speaking, designating where it goes. All of it together is centering in your gut, and it's deciding where something will go, whether it's going to be a manifestation underneath your toes, or whether it's going to be a manifestation with your shoulder, or your hip, or headaches.
JEAN: So is it still then the gut is… when it communicates to a specific area, let's just say my hip...
ELIAS: It's not communicating. Your neurological system –
JEAN: (Interrupts) It’s through the CNS. [1] It’s through more nerve communication that goes, because you had said something –
ELIAS: It's only manifesting. It's not communicating. Your neurological system communicates.
JEAN: So it's the neurological system that picks up the gut’s decision, so to speak? Or…? Because you use the word “suggestion” – this is where I'm getting… In my last session you said it was the objective awareness, you know, when you're doing the WHO and WHAT, is “suggesting” that the energy ball goes to my hip. So I'm trying to bring in where does the suggestion in the gut play into this? (Slight pause) Doesn't everybody think about this at night?
ELIAS: No.
JEAN: Okay. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: That was good. (Both laugh)
Now; what I would say is, is that the objective awareness is, obviously, interplaying with your physical brain. Therefore, in that, your objective communication is going to your brain – your senses and all other avenues of communication are going to your brain. Your analyzation is through your thinking, which is also going to your brain. That's not a communication, though; that's an analyzation, and that's going to your brain also.
Then your BRAIN is sending messages and signals to your neurological system, and your neurological system is connecting with your digestive system: your gut, your entire digestive system, all of it. Then THAT is what interplays to create the manifestation. It's not communicating; it's simply, figuratively, throwing an energy ball to a certain part of your body, in which your neurological system is then communicating – because it does communicate. It's communicating, “We're creating a physical manifestation here.” The gut has already provided the materials to do that. Your gut is your construction crew.
JEAN: So the energy ball comes from the gut.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: Wow.
ELIAS: And it throws the construction materials. The neurological system is your team of architects, and they are constructing the actual physical manifestation through their communication, but the gut has supplied all of the materials. All the bricks and mortar and lumber and everything that is needed to create the physical manifestation came from the gut.
JEAN: Wow! (Elias chuckles) Do you see the rabbit holes in my mind? So addressing to your gut issues and maintaining gut health, does that have any effect on what physical manifestation is created?
ELIAS: Absolutely!
JEAN: But if you've still got this coping mechanism that isn't working anymore so then you'll create a physical manifestation, it's not going to override that.
ELIAS: It doesn't have to override that, because if you have something going on in that manner, you're not taking care of your gut health completely.
JEAN: Whoa. So the gut health somehow is influencing?
ELIAS: No. It's the other way around.
JEAN: Okay, explain again.
ELIAS: If you have some issues, if you have some –
JEAN: Like what’s going on with me that we’re addressing.
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. If you have what's going on with you, then regardless of how much you exercise, or what you're eating, whatever you're consuming is being tainted by your energy, which creates chemicals in your body that taints what you consume. And therefore, when it reaches your gut, it's not going to be balanced. Therefore your gut health is not intact. You're not creating good, healthy gut activity and a healthy gut environment.
JEAN: So, I guess what I'm getting at is, of course, what you choose to put in your body –
ELIAS: It's very important.
JEAN: It’s important, but you can be obsessed with your gut health, but if you haven't addressed to all of this, you're still going to supply tainted stuff.
ELIAS: Yes. Because you're going to create chemicals in your body that are going to affect what you consume.
JEAN: Wow. Wow. Okay, we got to move on, but I think we could go on with that forever.
ELIAS: Very well. Put the idea or the picture in your head that if all of this is going on, and all of this is going on neurologically, then it's equivalent to eating a plum and having it turn into a soured, rotten plum when it gets to your digestive system.
JEAN: Holy moly.
(Excerpt ends after 12 minutes)
PART 2
Wednesday, October 08, 2025 (In Person)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Jean (Lyla)
ELIAS: Good morning!
JEAN: Good morning. Elias. Today we're doing a partially group-funded hour session about the topic that you brought up with the gut last time. [20250829 excerpt shared above] We were all fascinated about the interplay of the brain and the CNS and the energy centers and how the gut received all that, then would throw an energy ball somewhere. So, I went through being the thinker into Sumafi. I had 129 pages of notes (laughs) that I accumulated from this, which got overwhelming. So I think, knowing that this is not a one-session topic, here are some bullet points I want to throw out on that.
ELIAS: Very well.
JEAN: Any injury is unnatural – any injury.
ELIAS: Injury.
JEAN: You brought that up in Nuno’s session, absolutely fascinating. I want to get into the TIME it takes to heal, [and] the whole idea of contagions – we can start with that. And then what I found interesting is, when you view disease as negative, you said as long as you've used dysfunction physically to be negative, there shall continue to be a reason for healing.
I know there's so much information out there about the body consciousness that we don't know yet, so I think we're all ready to hear kind of the next level rather than regurgitate what you've already said, because it can be found in the Elias Forum digest about disease; incredible conversations. Is that suitable to you?
ELIAS: Yes!
JEAN: And the other thing is the whole idea of plants and animals and fish having disease. And then you had another interesting comment that people that create physical manifestations tend to be more connected to their subjective awareness.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: Whew!
ELIAS: And where do you want to begin?
JEAN: Um… Any injury and disease is unnatural, because you were saying that it's so much easier to maintain a healthy body consciousness than it is a dis-eased body consciousness.
ELIAS: Correct. Correct. Because anything that you create – any dysfunction, or any manifestation at all – requires a lot of energy to maintain it, and you automatically maintain it. If you break your leg, you're concentrating on that broken leg, and you're maintaining it being broken, because you BELIEVE that it can't simply heal immediately, that it requires time for it to heal.
Now, that factor of time: that varies with individuals in relation to ANY manifestation. That a physician can express to you, “This particular manifestation will require this amount of time to heal it,” such as a broken bone: “This will require six weeks for this bone to heal.” That's not necessarily accurate. Some individuals, the bone might not heal for longer than six weeks. Some individuals might heal it within three!
JEAN: And we had talked about the Aborigines actually healing a compound fracture overnight.
ELIAS: Correct.
JEAN: So is it based on perception and beliefs?
ELIAS: Not entirely. It is partially; therefore, if your perception moves in a direction of agreeing with physicians, then you're likely going to move in a direction in which the healing will be longer. But you can be surprised. Therefore, someone that is engaged with the Aborigines in the Outback could be surprised. Or someone that is in your country that may not have access to a physician and might be in a position to be engaged with a healer that they would think as someone that is a farce and that would never know what to do and how to be actually healing something, but they can be surprised by an individual using energy to heal something. And in that, they CAN be healed, and therefore their perception can change.
Any of you can change your perception in an instant, depending upon what you're experiencing. And in that, you all can surprise yourselves at times and experience some type of healing immediately, even though your perception and what you believe – it's not your beliefs, it's what you believe – even though those might move in a direction of expressing to you that “No, this is impossible.” It's NOT impossible, and therefore you CAN surprise yourself, and you can allow that to happen, even though you think absolutely not.
Let me express it to you in this manner: The easiest individuals to hypnotize are the individuals that swear that it is impossible for them to be hypnotized. The people that insist that they cannot be, those people are the first people that can be easily hypnotized. It's the same thing. The individuals that protest the hardest in relation to what is impossible, those are the easiest people to change their perception through experience, that they can experience something that they swear is impossible and be very surprised and have their perception changed.
In relation to any type of manifestation – whether it be a bone, whether it be cancer, whether it be mental illness – anything, ANYTHING can change.
Now, much of it does have to do with perception and what you believe. Therefore, an easier manner and a more accessible manner of addressing to any type of physical manifestation is through paying attention to your body – and that's the part about paying attention to your digestive system, your gut, because that is because that is the seat of any manifestation; it doesn't matter what it is. And an individual might question, “But how is that possible if someone has an injury?” Or, more dramatically, “What if someone is bitten by a shark?” That seems to be some type of manifestation that could NEVER possibly come from your own digestive system. How could that possibly happen, that your own gut made that happen? But it does, because this is the seat of every communication that has to do with health or the lack of.
Your gut communicates with your nervous system. When something is off with you, when something is moving in a direction in which you are going to create something, whether it be an injury or some other physical manifestation, it doesn't matter. Your gut is already off balance. If it's NOT off balance, you're not going to create anything. If it IS off balance, then it depends on how off balance it is in relation to what you create. If it's a little off balance, then you're not necessarily going to create something tremendous, or something tremendously debilitating.
JEAN: Can I add here, is something even like a car wreck… ?
ELIAS: (Emphatically) Absolutely, because everything is a matter of energy – everything that you do, everything you participate in, everything that happens to you.
JEAN: It's like slipping down a stair, which you think is an accident. That's your gut…
ELIAS: Anything that you think is an accident – a car wreck, a shark bite, falling down the stairs, anything; falling out of a tree – ANYTHING that you think is an accident, everything is manifest in relation to energy. Your gut communicates in relation to relation to what you are experiencing. Therefore, if the chemistry and the balance of that chemistry is off in your body, in your gut, then it's communicating in relation to your nervous system. And your nervous system is then communicating with your brain, and your brain is then also back-communicating with your nervous system; it doesn't move only one way.
And therefore in that, then you begin projecting energy. If you are projecting enough energy in which you want to disengage, you will choose a method of how you want to disengage. If you don't necessarily want to disengage but you want to create something significantly dramatic, then you'll do that. You'll project that energy, and either you will initiate the action physically, such as a car wreck: You will be the one that creates the wreck – or, you'll project the energy to pull to you something else that will create that wreck. Or, you'll be swimming or surfing, and you will pull to you that animal. The animal will simply do the rest, what it normally naturally does, and it will bite whatever is in front of it, but you pulled it like a magnet TO you to do that.
And I know that most individuals will express that they cannot accept that, because they can't accept that they would do such a thing. Why would they do such a thing? There's the “why” question again. And in that, it's all about what's happening inside of them. If they are a balanced individual, and their gut is balanced, then there's no projection of energy outwardly that's going to pull to them something that is harmful. And, they're not going to project energy to any part of their body to dysfunction or to be hurtful.
All feelings are signals. Any dysfunction that you create in your body is going to be accompanied by a feeling. The feeling may not persist, but it's going to be there initially. You're going to have some type of signal. Even if it's a signal that you wouldn't necessarily assign, initially, to a particular manifestation such as cancer, sometimes with certain types of cancers that can be very serious and perhaps deadly, they may not be accompanied by a tremendously overwhelming feeling such as pain. They may be accompanied by an overwhelming feeling such as fatigue. Therefore, the feeling that is associated with particular manifestations may not seem, in your perception, to be the warning signal that you think would be associated with particular manifestations.
This is the reason that it is so important to pay attention to your body and to listen to it. It's not giving you signals for no reason. It's giving you signals just as much as a shark bite would. That's going to be very painful, and significant to heal. If the shark takes away a part of your body, and if that part of your body is in a certain area of your body, if it takes away a leg you can heal that relatively quickly. Actually, you could heal it immediately if you are balanced and if you are in a position of being significantly self-aware. But then if you ARE that, then you wouldn't create the shark attack in the first place.
JEAN: So when you say if you took away a leg immediately, and you WERE balanced and self-aware, when you said you can heal it immediately, how immediately?
ELIAS: I'd say in the same day. The only reason that –
JEAN: Like complete skin over? No skin grafts needed? Nothing?
ELIAS: You wouldn't have the leg anymore.
JEAN: Right, right. But, you know, all of the tissues…
ELIAS: All of the parts that you think… Yes, all of the tissue…
JEAN: … would re-appose. [2]
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: And you wouldn't worry about disease setting in or anything.
ELIAS: Correct.
JEAN: Even if it was so-called “contaminated.”
ELIAS: Correct.
JEAN: Wow, Elias.
ELIAS: Correct. That would be an alligator or a crocodile – or worse, a Komodo dragon. They are nasty beings. They have nasty teeth and nasty saliva that is poisonous.
JEAN: Well, that gets into the whole idea of poisonous snake bites.
ELIAS: Yes?
JEAN: I think you said at one time way back that, you know, we created the snake and we created the poison, and we don't necessarily have to react to the poison.
ELIAS: Correct.
JEAN: But an animal would, because –
ELIAS: Most of the time.
JEAN: Well, we'll do animals later. (Elias chuckles) Okay, on that line… I don’t think I have it written here…
ELIAS: Now, I would say, to follow that, that the only reason that an individual that IS balanced, and whose gut is entirely balanced, would create something such as a shark bite – we're only using that as an example – would be to simply experience that action, but choosing it intentionally. Therefore the individual would know that they were projecting that energy intentionally and that they were creating that intentionally, simply for the reason of the experience and being able to heal it immediately.
JEAN: Okay. So I know the questions would go… Because you're saying the gut… Use the tainted plum as an analogy [mentioned in the excerpt above]. All the things that you are doing is creating the taint, and so you said, it's influenced by what you are consuming…
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: How you are moving…
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: What you are expressing in feelings and emotion, and what you are expressing in mental and thinking, what you are doing inwardly. Can we start with how you are moving?
ELIAS: (Pause) Humans are meant to be mobile. I understand in this past century you have become less and less and less mobile, but naturally, you are meant to be mobile beings. In that, your bodies require movement. Your muscles require movement. You're not the same as sloths. (Jean laughs) Sloths don't require much movement, and their muscles won't atrophy. Humans’ muscles will begin atrophying within approximately three weeks. Therefore, if you're not using and moving ALL of your muscles, they will begin to atrophy. And THEN, if you happen to decide to do some type of action that involves the movement of muscles that you haven't been using, that you haven't been moving, you will definitely feel it. You will know, and it will be considerably uncomfortable – not only uncomfortable, but depending on what muscles you are engaging that haven't been engaged, you may not be able to engage certain movements. It may require a significant time to rebuild those muscles to use them. Therefore, when I express that movement is important, I mean it's important for you to be using all of the muscles in your body, to not allow them to atrophy.
JEAN: So people that have the lifestyle of maybe just walking to the their car and back, like driving to the grocery, that's no bueno. You need… Let's just talk about the act of swimming: You're using about every muscle in your body.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: What else can people do?
ELIAS: (Pause) As I have advocated in the past, yoga is an excellent discipline to engage. Almost all of the Eastern disciplines –
JEAN: Tai chi, qigong?
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: Okay.
ELIAS: Almost all of the Eastern disciplines are excellent in relation to movement, and they're not invasive. You can use and strengthen all of the muscles in your body AND learn to relax them (chuckles) at the same time, in which you create that balance, you're not holding energy in any of the areas that most people hold energy – which would be shoulders, hips, joints, feet, neck. All of these areas are areas that people generally hold energy, and they hold them tightly, and therefore they have trouble in moving them smoothly and relaxed. In fact, most people don't even know how to relax some areas in their bodies.
But I would say that other than those disciplines, which I advocate tremendously, I would say the combination of meditation – always – and… (slight pause) any type of movement that you are intentionally using as much of your body as possible would be excellent.
Now, in relation to doing something as simple as walking, if the individual changes that to not necessarily simply be walking, such as walking on a street, but hiking, in which they are moving up and down hills or even mountains, and even if they are hiking in a manner that isn't extremely strenuous, if they include very simple movements periodically while they're hiking, such as bending and touching the ground, being able to do that motion of actually placing your hands on the ground, stretching, and reaching up. Therefore, let's say you're hiking in the woods; visualize yourself to be a tree reaching for the sky. These are movements that you're not necessarily doing while you're hiking, but that in doing them periodically while you're hiking, they help to use other muscles, and they also help to release energy more effectively.
I would say that incorporating any type of stretching movement while you're hiking is excellent – and of course, swimming. Running is excellent; many people don't like running, but it's an excellent exercise. Running outside is excellent, much more effective than on a treadmill. People are lazy, and that's the reason they run on a treadmill, because they don't WANT to run outside, because the ground may not be even, or they might have to go up and down while they're running outside. And I've heard it all about the alterations of treadmills and the adjustments in speed and the adjustments of the angle, that you can place it to simulate moving up and down hills – it's not the same. It's not the same, and the energy is not the same, and your body knows it.
JEAN: Oh god. And the other factors on feelings and emotions, mental and thinking: I mean, can you just…
ELIAS: These are huge.
JEAN: Yeah.
ELIAS: Thinking is a tremendous contributant to the imbalance in the gut – not all thinking, but especially loop thinking, where you're thinking of something over and over again. You're not coming up with anything different, you're not giving yourself any different solutions, and in that, worrisome thinking is tremendously detrimental.
Puzzle thinking, in which, again, you're not giving yourself a solution, you're simply continuing to puzzle over and over again, is also not healthy. These actions… Thinking does not come from your brain. Thinking comes from your mind, which is you, which is outside of your physical body and not in your brain. But thinking is an action and a function of yours that directly connects with your brain. It directly interacts with your brain, and then your brain translates that thinking into impulses in relation to your neurological system. Therefore, your physical brain is sending impulses. It's similar to your computers. It's sending all those 1’s and 0’s to your nervous system, and your nervous system is carrying all of those 1’s and 0’s to where the brain has instructed them to go. Therefore, that puzzling could be sending those impulses to your brain, and the brain is sending those 1’s and 0’s to your foot and aggravating the fascia in your foot and creating some type of physical manifestation such as plantar fasciitis.
JEAN: And let me ask here, there's no accident as to where (Elias chuckles), so there's imagery, even down to the point on which side of the body.
ELIAS: Absolutely.
JEAN: Can we give an example? Because at one time, you've talked to several people about if something is on the right side of the body versus the left side of the body, it could be too much feminine energy or not. Can you give an example on that?
ELIAS: That depends on the individual.
JEAN: Okay.
ELIAS: It is very highly individualized. But – I would say that generally speaking, individuals that are, let us say, more thought oriented – not necessarily thought focused –
JEAN: Would that be thinkers?
ELIAS: It could be, definitely, or it could be even a surface individual that is inclined to be thinking about things, because many, many, many of them do. They're not thinking about things in the depth that a thought individual is doing, –
JEAN: A thought or a thinker?
ELIAS: A thinker.
ELIAS: – that they're not engaging as deep in thinking, but they can get caught up in loop thinking. They can get caught up in worry thinking. They can get caught up in puzzling thinking at times, and that affects the body tremendously. It disrupts so many functions in the body.
It starts with the gut, and then THAT sends signals back to your neurological system, and then that sends signals to any one of your other organs to be malfunctioning. It can move in a direction of any aspect of your body, any of your glands, any of your systems in your body – anything. It can affect anything.
It can even attract fungus. People that have fungus on their toes, on their toenails, that also comes from their gut. All of it does. It sends those messages, depending on what the individual is doing. Thinking too much; dwelling on feelings; following feelings, which involves both thinking and feeling – THAT'S considerably detrimental and affecting. And then people wonder why they have all these aches and pains, or why they're having difficulty walking because their knees hurt or their hips hurt or they're having trouble breathing. It doesn't matter what you create.
Migraines is another one that comes from held feelings. It starts by that. It can be continued for many reasons, but it starts from held feelings. And then, with anything that lasts for any amount of time, the individual is creating that every day, and their gut is involved in that. That's the physiological, the biological aspect of what you're doing.
The emotional part of it, the intellectual part of it are trying to follow what the gut is doing and communicating, but in many situations they're simply exacerbating the entire situation, because the thinking and the feeling is moving in opposition to that balance.
And, what do people do? MANY people, when they are emotionally distressed, they eat. And what do they eat? They generally don't eat what is healthy for them. They eat things that are what they think of as comforting to them: a lot of sugar. And in that, even if they think something is healthy, they might eat a lot of fruit – a lot; therefore, not moving in the direction of candy bars, but taking the place with 10 oranges. In that, it's excessive, and the excess then turns into not balanced, and the gut is expressing, “No, this is not satisfactory; the signal is going to some physical manifestation.” You're not listening to your digestive system, therefore you'll listen to something else. You're not listening to your digestive system and gaining weight, then you'll create a manifestation with your ankles that have trouble holding you.
And in that, once you've created something, once your body has generated a message and has created a manifestation in a particular part of your body, you automatically go back to it, because it's easy.
JEAN: Well, getting to the point with increased self-awareness and what you're going to bring up in the group session, can you then start using your subjective awareness more intentionally?
ELIAS: Absolutely.
JEAN: And are you going to get into that in the group session? Because we're running out of time here, something I would love to discuss…
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: … to uncreate. And this where you've told people in the past that, you know, you can directly communicate to the subjective awareness, “You've kind of been in control long enough, I'm taking back the power and I'm going to return to health.” But does that also mean you still have to address to the underlying reasons or your… ? Do you see what I'm asking?
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: Okay. When we step into this new awareness, do we still have to address to the behaviors and the coping mechanisms and the stuff that create disease?
ELIAS: To a degree, yes – if you haven't already.
JEAN: Okay.
ELIAS: But I will say, becoming self-aware involves that. Therefore, once you move in the direction and you are considerably self-aware – because you're always going to be adding to that – but once you are at a point in which you can intentionally choose, you will have already addressed to issues and traumas or underlying reasons, because you won't be able to BE self-aware without knowing that. That's a part of your self and being aware of it.
JEAN: Interesting. I was reading a lot about Native American healers and stuff like that, and I was reading where even contemporary, they could go out in a mosquito-infested area and not get bit, yet some of the white people that went with them… Is that the same thing, that you're not going to get bit with a tick with Lyme if you're not already projecting that energy?
ELIAS: Correct.
JEAN: Will the tick even get ON you?
ELIAS: No.
JEAN: No way! And mosquitoes won't even come to you.
ELIAS: Oh, my god Elias, this is just amazing, the information.
ELIAS: Because your energy will repel them.
JEAN: And then… Was this the original design of the Dream Walkers, but we fucked it up somehow (laughs), you know? They designed it to be you need to pay attention to feelings, but we didn't?
ELIAS: You did, for a considerable amount of time, and then little by little in increments, you began to stop in the name of convenience and what makes your lives easier.
JEAN: Oh god. And then can we just briefly talk about diseases in animals? Is THAT natural?
ELIAS: It depends. Some of it, yes; some of it is natural in population control. Some of it is natural in relation to culling. But the dis-eases that are associated with humans are not natural to animals. Therefore, dis-eases such as cancers: these are not natural to animals. You will find very few wild animals – there are some, that interact with humans, but not many.
JEAN: And you're talking about Cushing's, diabetes. We've had these conversations, and we'll go into them more.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: So are we likely now, with more self-awareness, not to have plagues anymore for population control? Because at one time you said a lot of the plagues were for population. If you're self-aware, will you not contract bubonic plague or… ?
ELIAS: It's likely. It's very likely that plagues such as this will not occur because they won't be necessary. And, you won't be creating environments in which they thrive.
JEAN: Mm-hm, overcrowding and…
ELIAS: And not only overcrowding but in conditions that are unhealthy.
JEAN: Such as?
ELIAS: Such as any type of large amounts of bodily fluids that are part of your environment – including blood.
JEAN: Right. One time you were saying that people like in New York City that just live on top of each other-on top of each other-on top of each other: Is that a contributant to… ?
ELIAS: Now? Yes. Could that be… eliminated? Yes, if people are balanced, and if they are self-aware, then I would say living on top of each other could be balanced also. It would require time and a considerable amount of energy.
JEAN: Okay. Elias, is there any other direction?
Oh, let's just talk about… Maybe you've already answered it. All disease is within the body.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: Does that necessarily mean everything that's ever been created, or my cells can be triggered to create the contagion?
ELIAS: Both.
JEAN: Okay, let's talk about that.
ELIAS: But that IS already in your body. Therefore, yes, there are viruses and bacterias that are in your environment, that live in your world, and that are not in harmony with your bodies. And in that, similar to poisons that can be expressed by any animal or insect, those viruses or bacterias can also connect with your body, but then it's a matter of whether you are in a position of activating any of those cells. YOU'RE the one that's activating them, not the virus or the bacteria. The virus or the bacteria can come in contact with you, but then you also choose whether you're going to activate those cells that will take that on. Therefore, you're making the choice to open those cells to take in –
JEAN: Accept it, like “Come on in.”
ELIAS: Yes, that virus or that bacteria.
JEAN: So did the Dream Walkers create viruses and bacteria and stuff to potentially harm us?
ELIAS: No.
JEAN: Or for their own creation. It's just part of the design of reality, and we’ve –
ELIAS: Everything is in balance, everything is in harmony, everything has a purpose. Therefore, bacterias and viruses also have purposes, and their purpose is not necessarily to harm you. You may come in contact with them and they're not in harmony with your body, and you might choose to open cells to allow them to affect you. Naturally, they don't necessarily affect you.
Let me express it in this manner: Decades ago, in your world – and let's use your country because it's familiar to you – there were several significantly what you would term to be deadly and debilitating dis-eases that were rampant.
JEAN: Polio?
ELIAS: One of them.
JEAN: It wasn't deadly, but it could be.
ELIAS: It was eventually, yes. It was simply a long process, but eventually it was fatal – after it crippled your entire body.
JEAN: Yeah.
ELIAS: Now in this, your scientists invented vaccines. Now the point of this is, they invented the vaccines, gave them to individuals, and then the individuals never created the dis-ease. OR – or – individuals chose to BE infected by these dis-eases, most of them, and if they survived, they never engaged the dis-ease again.
Now, what does that tell you? If an individual could survive what is a deadly dis-ease and never have it again, never engage it again, even if it's in what you term to be an outbreak, and it's all around you, and all the individuals around you have it but you don't contract it, the contagion doesn't affect you, because you had it once – once.
[The timer for the session rings]
And then your body – according to science – is completely immune from it. Your body was immune from it before that; it was a choice of whether to participate in a contagion or not – it still is. And it's somewhat ironic that you will believe that you will never be affected by that dis-ease again in your entire lifetime, no matter how old you live to be, but you couldn't prevent it before it happened. You have the same power to stave it off before it happened as you do after.
JEAN: And so are the vaccines ultimately a belief, or what you believe? It gives you a focal point?
ELIAS: There are very much a matter of what you believe. That's the reason that when you had your mass event recently, with that contagion and that virus, and people were inquiring of myself frequently about “Should I engage the vaccine? Should I not engage the vaccine?” it didn't matter, and I expressed that. Whatever you believe, then do it or don't do it. It literally doesn't matter. It's not the vaccine that's going to protect you; it's what you BELIEVE about the vaccine that's going to protect you, and it will.
JEAN: All right, Elias, we'll shut this down. Thank you so much.
ELIAS: You are exceptionally welcome.
JEAN: I hope people enjoy this. We can go off in rabbit holes in many directions with this, but thank you.
ELIAS: You are very welcome. Until our next meeting, my dear, dear friend, au revoir.
JEAN: Au revoir.
(Elias departs after 62 minutes)
[1] Central nervous system.
[2] “Apposition” is a medical term for realigning tissues so they can knit together after being separated, as in a cut that’s closed with stitches or bandages.
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