Making the Subjective Awareness Stronger
Topics:
“Making the Subjective Awareness Stronger”
“Projections and Visualizations”
“Using the Pulsations of Consciousness”
“The Concept of Fragmented Essences Explained”
“The Relationship Between the Mind and the Awarenesses"
“Definition of a Belief”
Monday, October 20, 2025 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Nuno (Lystell)
“What is also unique in relation to you and what you’re doing is that even though you’re choosing to disengage this body, you’re choosing not to be creating an entirely new focus.”
ELIAS: Good morning!
NUNO: Hello, my friend.
ELIAS: (Laughs) And what shall we discuss?
NUNO: I’d like to talk about what occurs during that time that the essence Julius has me in a coma, and the first question I have about that is: what is intended to happen during that time period?
ELIAS: (Pause) What is intended to happen is for the objective awareness to completely recede and to allow the subjective awareness to be in that primary position, and to have you become more and more accustomed to that.
NUNO: And what is actually happening?
ELIAS: (Pause) What is physiologically happening?
NUNO: No. I just mean what occurs during that time period that I am in a coma. The coma itself isn’t going to make me disengage.
ELIAS: No, but… No, but it does prepare you.
NUNO: Yes, but let me rephrase the question. I understand what you just said, that makes a lot of sense to me, but is that what’s happening? And it’s just a matter of continuing with that until the objective awareness has fully receded?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: Okay. That makes a lot of sense, because way back in the beginning when I first started engaging this essence, the essence said to me it was like digging a tunnel. He made that analogy, that you dig the tunnel a little bit, and you dig a little bit more and eventually you come out the other side. So, in other words, it’s kind of a process.
ELIAS: Yes. I very much agree with that analogy.
NUNO: That makes a lot of sense to me and actually, it fits in very well with my latest adventure.
ELIAS: Aha! Do tell.
NUNO: I am attempting to make the subjective awareness primary, and obviously this is not going to happen all at once. Well, I suppose it could but… I have been practicing that. And the first thing I noticed is, it’s surprisingly easy to move in that direction. And I say that because when I do attempt to do that, I feel the effect of that immediately. And mostly what I feel is an increase in volume of my energy, for the most part. But I’ve noticed that it affects my personality. It affects the way I interact with other people and things like that. So, I wanted to ask you about that, as to whether you have observed me in that or you have anything to say about that?
ELIAS: I have. And I would say that what you’re observing with that is that it is more of a genuine expression of you, without all of the (pause) expressions that cover up the genuine you. Moving in a direction of allowing yourself to be you with that freedom of expression that isn’t necessarily concerned with what should be or what shouldn’t be or what’s necessary or what is appropriate and what isn’t appropriate, but rather simply allowing yourself to be your natural self.
NUNO: Yes, but is that also making the subjective awareness more primary?
ELIAS: Stronger.
NUNO: Stronger. Moving it, in a manner of speaking, further to the front?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: That’s very important. I wasn’t quite sure what I was doing, but I’m glad you explained that. And like I said, it’s actually very easy to do. I was very surprised.
ELIAS: I would agree. And that is the piece that people don’t realize, is that it’s much easier to be natural than to be expressing all of these other factors that cover up you being natural.
NUNO: What I was meaning was easy to shift in that direction.
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: I’m very pleased with myself on that.
ELIAS: Excellent.
NUNO: The reason I began doing this is because I suspected that it would be in some way beneficial to helping me disengage.
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: And from what you are saying about what occurs in the coma, that certainly would make sense, that it is something of that nature. Excellent.
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: You also mentioned recently to me that another avenue towards disengagement is to be very relaxed and have a heartrate that’s in the low fifties. And if I understand what you said correctly, the body will disengage after forty-five minutes or thereabouts in that state. Is that correct?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: That strikes me as being very simple, at least theoretically. The heartrate piece for me is… I already have, and I can probably lower the heartrate slightly more. The challenge of course is the relaxation.
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: I would like to ask you about that, whether medications or substances can help with that.
ELIAS: Oh, definitely.
NUNO: And I was wondering if THC would be helpful with that.
ELIAS: Yes. In certain amounts, larger amounts, yes.
NUNO: Larger amounts?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: How large is larger?
ELIAS: That depends. I would say I would encourage you to research first.
NUNO: I can certainly experiment. I tried a small dose the other day, which didn’t do very much at all, but I can certainly increase it.
ELIAS: And in that, what I would say though is it would be more comfortable to increase it in increments, not all at once.
NUNO: Yes. Very well, I will do that. The other thing that—
ELIAS: Excellent.
NUNO: The other thing that I realized was that I can actually combine that with the other action I’m doing, which is attempting to shut down the energy centers, because I can do both at the same time. I can be—
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: Yes. Exactly. So that seems to be a good complement.
ELIAS: I would also express that if you use the energy centers in the capacity of shutting them down and shutting down your glandular systems, especially your adrenal glands, because your adrenal glands supply energy. Therefore if you are moving in the direction of shutting down your energy centers and targeting your glandular systems, that will also be a direction that will be helpful in accomplishing what you want.
NUNO: I have been practicing that, or attempting to bring the energy centers into what I think of as being slower and with less energy.
ELIAS: Excellent.
NUNO: Would you say that I’m being successful with that? Would you say that I am decreasing the functionality of the energy centers?
ELIAS: Yes. Incrementally.
NUNO: Incrementally, yes. I asked one of the twin essences, the one that I engage while I am awake, I asked that essence if it would be willing to engage me in an energy exchange for the purpose of shutting down the energy centers. I believe I got the agreement from the essence on that. Would you say that’s correct?
ELIAS: Yes, that is correct. That’s actually a good idea also.
NUNO: Good. I’ve only very recently been able to figure out exactly what kind of expression of energy I should be using to shut it down. I think I came actually pretty close on a couple of occasions, but things kind of fell apart at the end. But I’ve found now a better way to express that energy of shutting down in a way that incorporates the essence and also my energy, and I believe now I’m being more effective in that.
ELIAS: How so?
NUNO: It was mostly a matter of the way I was expressing the energy. I do this in a meditation, and as a focal point I repeat words that say, “Shutdown,” or some such thing. And at the same time, I also push the energy in a certain direction. And I found that I was perhaps pushing it too hard or being too aggressive with my invocation of the shutdown. So I changed that, and I’ve done two things. One is that I’ve made the invocation of the shutdown much more gentle, much more relaxed, and that helped considerably. I also found that I need to focus on the energy of the essence that is helping me in that, and if I focus on the essence’s energy while I’m doing this then it seems to be more effective.
ELIAS: That’s an interesting observation. And the reason that I say that is that you have generated an energy exchange previously and therefore I would have expressed that that would have been something that you would have done automatically, is to focus on, to a degree, on the essence that you are engaging with.
NUNO: Well, I wasn’t sure the essence would actually agree to this, so I didn’t come around to asking it. And also, I didn’t really have a purpose for an energy exchange with the essence until I started attempting to shut down the energy centers, and then I decided to ask about that.
ELIAS: Ah. I understand.
NUNO: Now, the other thing I wanted to ask you was concerning visualizations. And you have said that visualizations can be quite powerful in—
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: — achieving outcomes in physical reality. I have two question in that, one is: can visualizations also be useful in things that are more subjective, like what I’m doing?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: And I was thinking also that the way I do projections into Nova are actually quite visual. They’re more than visual, they also include other senses, like sound and even touch. And I was wondering if those kinds of projections help propel me in that direction. In other words, do these…? You mentioned that the projections were helping me to basically feel more content, but—
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: — I would prefer that they were also useful in helping me to disengage.
ELIAS: But that is the situation.
NUNO: So it’s not just about making me feel better?
ELIAS: Correct. Because the more you are content, or in your terms, the more you feel better, the more you relax into everything that you’re doing. And therefore, the more you move in a direction of being successful in what you are accomplishing. Do you understand?
NUNO: Yes, I do.
ELIAS: Excellent.
NUNO: But I was also wondering about that piece about using visualization to achieve an outcome. So I understand what you’re saying about—
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: But that’s something different. And would you say that my projections also act in that way?
ELIAS: Definitely. And I would say that the visualizations, any of your visualizations in this direction, are definitely helpful because they disassociate you with this reality and associate you with the other reality more.
NUNO: Yes, definitely. And how exactly does that help me get there?
ELIAS: Because it moves your energy in that direction. And in that, in combination with all the other things that you’re doing, it focuses or, in a manner of speaking, streamlines the energy in that direction.
NUNO: Very well. And there is one particular visualization that I’ve done a few times which I find extremely deep and very visual and very effective. It is a visualization of me as an infant with my mother, and she is holding me in her arms and I’ve got my head resting on her shoulder. There’s many elements to that that are involving the senses. There is sound, she is singing to me. There is touch and I feel the warmth of her body and the scent of her skin. I can focus on all of those individually, the senses. And it’s also emotionally a very moving experience. At times it brings me to tears. And I don’t know if I really have a question in this, other than should I continue with that? Is it …?
ELIAS: Absolutely.
NUNO: With that particular visualization?
ELIAS: Yes. I would say most definitely, and the more you put yourself in a position of experiencing all of the sense input, not simply one or another, the better.
NUNO: Very well. I can practice that. We talked previously about… I was attempting to assimilate the objective and subjective awarenesses. And I did that for a time and I got some kind of result from that. But I had the impression that the essences that I’m working with didn’t particularly see that as all that productive, perhaps because it would be something that takes a lot of time or something of that nature. Would you agree with that?
ELIAS: I would agree with that, yes, but it was your experiment and therefore it was something that you were engaging for a time. And at this point, I would agree that it’s not entirely that beneficial.
NUNO: I’ve also noticed while I’m in these meditations that the pulsations of the consciousness will suddenly appear. And unlike my past experiences with these pulsations, which would be brief, they would come in a wave and then recede rather quickly, I noticed now instead they can be prolonged and last for a minute, maybe even two minutes. And…
ELIAS: Congratulations.
NUNO: And my question in this to you is: how do I use this? Do I engage it? Because I can even engage it deliberately if I choose.
ELIAS: That’s excellent. I would definitely encourage that also, because that is pulling you in a direction of disconnecting from the physical, therefore disconnecting from physical reality. It puts you in that in-between, and that allows you to move in whatever direction you choose, whatever reality you choose.
NUNO: Like I say, this occurs while I’m in a meditation attempting to do something. Like for example, perhaps it could be a meditation with shutting down the energy centers. And do I need to do anything more than simply engage the pulsations of consciousness at that time?
ELIAS: No. No, you don’t but the longer you can hold in that, the better.
NUNO: You had asked about what drives my importance in health. And I’ve decided there are many things that drive my importance in health. I did, however, identify what I believe is the source of that importance. It could also be the source of my guideline to not harm the body consciousness, which is another piece in this. And what I found, I believe, is that that importance was established when I was a small child, perhaps five or six years old, and I got very sick from being poisoned. And I believe that that’s where the importance got established. I discovered this in a meditation. Is this correct?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: And I also asked myself as to what drives it, which is what you asked. And there’s many things. For example, there is the discomfort of illness. There is the inconvenience of illness, which I imagine applies for almost everybody. There’s what I just said—
ELIAS: Not everyone.
NUNO: Ah, okay. And—
ELIAS: Continue. Continue.
NUNO: And of course, there’s that childhood experience. And the other thing is that I identify myself with the body consciousness, meaning that I think, like many people, I see myself as being the body consciousness, which of course is incorrect, but I still identify strongly with it and therefore—
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: I want the body consciousness to be healthy because that means I’m healthy. But there is one final piece in this, and that is a kind of a belief, I guess you call it, that life is precious. And I believe that that is with me. It applies actually mostly to other things, like animals and plants even, but it probably is a factor in this as well.
ELIAS: Yes, I would agree. I would agree.
NUNO: So, I have all this information about what is related to that importance in health, and my question to you then would be: where do I go from here with that?
ELIAS: Meaning in relation to not maintaining the body?
NUNO: The way I see it is not so much about not maintaining the body, because I don’t really want to get into a situation where I am uncomfortable. And I’m actually fairly comfortable now, even though all these things are occurring. I think in part the essences that I am engaging have contributed to that, to my comfort.
ELIAS: Definitely.
NUNO: And therefore I’m not uncomfortable and I’m not feeling like I’m falling apart. In terms of what I’m doing, I see it more not so much about health, because health is something… I see it as being different. Health is a state of being, but disengaging really doesn’t necessarily have to do anything with health, it’s a choice.
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: And so that’s how I’ve approached this.
ELIAS: (Pause) And therefore I would say clarify the question about what do you do with this.
NUNO: Well, the question… I mean, perhaps I don’t have to… Perhaps I already answered the question by saying that it’s not about health per se, it’s more—
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: — a choice. And maybe that’s the answer.
ELIAS: I would say yes.
NUNO: Okay. Very well. So I don’t have to concern myself with that.
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: I have a question about the awareness of people in Nova, in that I wonder sometimes about what you can do. Because I’ve listened to conversations you’ve had with other people, and at times somebody may ask you about another person, and maybe a person that they’re friends with or they know of, and they’ve asked for you for information on that other person, such as what their intent is, would they be inclined to do this or that, things of that nature, having to do with their energy. First of all, is this correct?
ELIAS: Yes. At times, people do do that, although it depends on the situation whether I respond or not.
NUNO: I understand. I’m not asking whether you respond to that. I’m asking that potentially you could.
ELIAS: Yes. I potentially could.
NUNO: My question is whether people in Nova, the focuses in Nova can read the energy of other people?
ELIAS: Yes. That doesn’t mean that they necessarily know the intention in relation to that energy. They can read the energy, but I would say that knowing the intention requires more in-depth expression in relation to what an individual is reading.
NUNO: Okay. I understand. But with practice, somebody could potentially do that, I suppose.
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. Yes.
NUNO: Okay. That’s quite powerful. This also could be considered an invasion of privacy, I suppose.
ELIAS: And that would be part of the reason that people wouldn’t necessarily be inclined to do it.
NUNO: I understand. I’ve had some dreams recently that involve a vehicle that the brakes aren’t working very well. The first dream I had, it was kind of a fast car, kind of a sports car perhaps, and the car was being driven by me somewhat quickly and the brakes were not working. And I wasn’t able to slow down the vehicle as required. But then I had a dream, actually just last night, in which instead the vehicle was a bus, a big bus, and the bus is moving very slowly. In fact, the bus starts out as being stopped and then it begins to accelerate very slowly, but then the brakes once again are not working. I would like to understand what this imagery is about.
ELIAS: I’d say that it’s very much in keeping with what you’re doing, in relation to not stopping, continuing to move forward and continuing to have that objective, in a manner of speaking, even when you don’t necessarily know what your direction is.
NUNO: Okay. I believe I understand that.
ELIAS: Excellent.
NUNO: I have a question then about a conversation that we started some time ago, I think of it as being to do with identity. I asked you if this focus that I’m in was fragmented, and you said yes. And I asked you if I was fragmented from the essence Lystell and you said no. So I’d like to pick up again on that and ask you what you were saying then is, this focus was fragmented from those three essences, Seth, Lawrence and Ordin. Is that correct?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: And that would be true then, from all of my focuses?
ELIAS: No.
NUNO: This is the part I don’t understand. I kind of thought you were going to say that. So—
ELIAS: (Laughs) I would say that that is a matter of the intention of the fragmented essence.
Now, I have explained this previously. It’s a difficult concept to explain in physical terms, but in consciousness, in energy, there is an expression of energy and what you would consider links of consciousness that incorporate an intention to fragment, to be a new essence. And therefore that intention or desire creates the expression of the fragmentation.
Therefore in that, that intention and desire may be expressed in a particular direction to include qualities of certain essences and combine them to create the expression of a new essence.
NUNO: I understand.
ELIAS: Ah! Therefore that would mean that in creating the new essence, that wouldn’t necessarily mean that that would apply to all of your focuses, because it’s possible that some of your focuses may be fragmented differently, or they may be a fragment of you.
NUNO: Mm. That’s quite interesting. (Elias chuckles) So the essence Lystell—
ELIAS: Yes?
NUNO: That is me. I mean—
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: You’ve been telling everybody that they—
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: — are essence for a long time. But I, and I think many other people, believe that there is an essence which is them that expressed or is expressing that focus of attention. In other words, the essence existed and made a choice to express that focus of attention. And this would be the usual case, would it not?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: But this is different. This is the creation of a new essence in the form of a focus.
ELIAS: (Pause) Correct.
NUNO: So from our previous discussion a while back, the subjective awareness is essentially that essence.
ELIAS: (Pause) Yes.
NUNO: Well, that’s very interesting. Is this what you mean by me being uniquely different?
ELIAS: Yes. Because you are aware of that.
NUNO: Well, I am now.
ELIAS: (Laughs) But I would say that you’ve been aware of different aspects of this conversation from the onset of your choice to move in this new direction of yours.
NUNO: I suppose. I think the only thing that I was well aware of was that I entered this reality from another one. So the question is: the focus that was in that other reality, is it the same focus? I think that at one time you said that a new focus was created.
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: So that focus from the other reality wasn’t fragmented from these three essences then?
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: Ah!
ELIAS: And what is also unique in relation to you and what you’re doing is that even though you’re choosing to disengage this body, you’re choosing not to be creating an entirely new focus.
NUNO: Yes. And that was, that is the intent, but from my discussions with you the only thing that’s left of this focus is the memories. But I suppose that’s all there really is, the memories of the experiences.
ELIAS: Correct.
NUNO: In a sense—
ELIAS: But— Yes, in a sense.
NUNO: Yes. I was just going to say in the sense that that is the essence of a lifetime, is the memories.
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. But you’re carrying more than the memories. You’re carrying the identity.
NUNO: I thought you had told me my identity would die.
ELIAS: Your identity of this body. But you’re carrying the identity of the focus, because you’re not creating an entirely new focus.
NUNO: I understand. Therefore I will be aware that this identity has continued?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: Is that something that occurs later in life? Or it already is—
ELIAS: Not entirely. No. I would say that there is partially a factor of that that is carried from the beginning.
NUNO: Is the mind the seat of consciousness?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: One thing I would like to understand is, there are these awarenesses. There is the subjective awareness and the objective awareness and there is the mind. But it appears that these awarenesses are not just awarenesses because they make choices. They process information. They are not just simply an input to the mind.
ELIAS: No. They’re not an input to the mind. It’s the other way around.
NUNO: Ah! The mind is an input to the awarenesses?
ELIAS: Yes.
Now, you also have mechanisms that are in place that are inputs to the awarenesses, such as all of your senses, but your awareness isn’t actually inputting information to your mind, because your mind is you and you already hold all that information.
Now, what it does do is it stimulates that information to be accessed by the awareness part of you.
NUNO: All right. I think I will have to take this aside and digest it.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) Very well.
NUNO: And one other question: is Nova sufficiently evolved for aliens to visit?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: That’s going to be interesting.
ELIAS: I would agree.
NUNO: Another question: are all the blueprints in this dimension the same? The blueprints for the realities, I mean.
ELIAS: No.
NUNO: So does Nova have a different blueprint than this reality?
ELIAS: Mm… No. I would say that the blueprints vary in relation to the reality. You have one reality and I would say that every planet in your universe has a reality also. Therefore every one of those realities can – not always does, but can – have a different blueprint.
NUNO: I understand. And speaking of blueprints, many beliefs are in the blueprint, like for example, gravity. Is that correct?
ELIAS: Yes.
NUNO: So is this the reason you say that beliefs can’t be eliminated?
ELIAS: Correct. You can experience and express different influences of those beliefs. Therefore you don’t necessarily have to be bound by them.
NUNO: I understand. But people create beliefs. This happens frequently, and—
ELIAS: No. No.
NUNO: No?
ELIAS: People create what they BELIEVE. Beliefs are part of your reality. They are part of your blueprint.
NUNO: Okay. So just as an example, suppose I created for myself a belief that the color red is harmful to the body consciousness. And I could easily make a number of people believe this in this day and age. It wouldn’t be very difficult at all. I probably would have a few thousand in no time, believing the same thing, even though it’s false and even though I just created it out of thin air. You’re saying that that’s not actually a belief?
ELIAS: No. That’s something that you BELIEVE, which is not the same as a belief. A belief is part of a belief system. It’s one of the elements of a belief system. And what you BELIEVE can be expressed in many different manners.
[The timer for the end of the session rings]
NUNO: Okay. I think I understand that. Very well, my friend. Thank you for your information and as always, I would appreciate some parting words of wisdom.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) My parting words of wisdom in this conversation are for you to take to heart what we have discussed and to actually pay more attention to these essences that you are engaging energy with. And I am definitely encouraging you and supporting you in energy exchanges with them also.
NUNO: Thank you.
ELIAS: In exquisite friendship and in dear love to you as always, au revoir.
NUNO: Au revoir.
(Elias departs after 54 minutes)
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