Ode to the Silkworm: Learning What It Means to Be Interconnected
Topics:
“Your Guidelines Don’t Apply to Others”
“Ode to the Silkworm: Learning What It Means to Be Interconnected”
“Healing Animals Through Art”
Tuesday, February 10, 2026 (Private/In Person)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Jean (Lyla)
ELIAS: And now, yourself.
JEAN: It is, and this is… I’m just actually going to kind of let this flow. I have my notes as usual, but I have a question from Scotty Owen.
ELIAS: Very well.
JEAN: He has written a play about Frederick Douglass, and I briefly looked over it and it looks really, really good. And he said that when he was doing this, he said, “Most of the time I felt I was recalling memories rather than just imagining them.” So his… I’m going to read you the entire thing.
ELIAS: Very well.
JEAN: “Ask if Elias…” Okay, he wants to know: “Is Frederick Douglass a focus of mine? If Elias says no or observing, can you please ask, quote, ‘Of the people around Frederick Douglass as a child or growing up, who was I a focus of? What is the focus name exactly? Such as his mother, aunt, grandmother, wife, daughter, anyone closely related to him?’”
ELIAS: He is the focus.
JEAN: He is! So it’s directing.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: That’s amazing. Were there any other people like I mentioned that he was also involved with? I don’t know if I’m answering that correctly, I’m asking that correctly. Like… Never mind. (Both laugh) You got your answer, Scotty. That’s the best I can do for you there. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: Very well.
JEAN: All right. All right. You know, the last time I spoke with you… A couple of days ago I was so distraught and so painful and stuff that I had one of those dark moments of the soul, but like I’ve talked to you before about, whenever I go deep, something opens up. And I—
ELIAS: Always.
JEAN: I always… It’s just like some flower blooms. So I wanted to tell you some of my accomplishments and what I’ve noticed.
ELIAS: Excellent.
JEAN: One is loud noises: I don’t jump and startle like I used to. I can hear the purr—
ELIAS: Congratulations!
JEAN: Here’s a big one: I’m not fearful or as fearful of someone else expressing irritation, annoyance or anger. I always felt that if I… I was to blame or I was not safe or that I needed to do something to change them. My value would be tied up. How can I get them out of this angry mood? Does that make sense?
ELIAS: Absolutely. That’s—
JEAN: I can just watch people be angry.
ELIAS: — taking personal responsibility for other individuals. And now it isn’t bothersome to you? That’s immense. That genuinely is.
JEAN: It’s huge. People that pull up behind me, “Oh, I should, I should get out and make my right-hand turn because they might get mad or they might get angry and…” That’s gone. That’s—
ELIAS: Congratulations.
JEAN: It’s going away. Here’s another one. It’s still, I’m still working on it: I don’t need to be right. I don’t need to be right.
ELIAS: That’s a big one. That is very big. That is huge for so many people. It’s… And it’s so automatic, with lowering those expectations.
JEAN: Expectations.
ELIAS: Which is enormous.
JEAN: It is.
ELIAS: That is, in some capacities, so difficult but so liberating.
JEAN: For me, it’s like there’s so much incredible information out there now that we’ve talked about, the brain and the gut and everything, and so much stuff is having to address to for your physical manifestations. And I’m like, “Why do people not… Why do people not listen, Elias?” But now I don’t care. As long as I’m happy and I am successful in creativity and finances and health, the only way I can help is just to be the example.
ELIAS: And to not concern yourself with it.
JEAN: Exactly. And I guess the concerning yourself with it comes out of trauma and self-worth. Or how would you explain why people concern themselves with it?
ELIAS: It can be that, but I would say that almost everyone has a piece of this, in varying degrees. And I’d say that one of the biggest reasons is that you all judge and measure other people by yourselves. Until you can genuinely recognize that your guidelines, what you do and what guides your behaviors and why you do what you (chuckles) doesn’t apply to anyone else in your entire reality. It only applies to you. And until you can begin to understand some of that, even if you don’t assimilate it all, you’re going to keep moving in a direction of judging and measuring other people by yourself, because you automatically – and I don’t mean you, but everyone – you move in a direction of “everyone is the same.” Everyone is not the same. But “Everyone is the same,” and you have rules and guidelines for reality that are all the same, because they’re all based on you and your perception, and that every, doesn’t everyone else have the same perception as you do? They should. And what’s wrong with them if they don’t?
That’s where your societal structures come from, what measures normal and what isn’t. What is acceptable behavior and what isn’t. What is something to strive for and what isn’t. What is valuable and important and what isn’t. All of that is expressed in your societal structure. And where does that come from? It comes from all of you that agree in the same directions, and that’s what gives you the idea that everyone thinks like you, acts like you, does what you do, chooses what you choose, and that you’re all the same because you’re all the same species. No. I’d say no individual of any species are all the same. Simply because they look the same, doesn’t mean (chuckles) they are the same.
And of all of you, you are not the same at all. I’d say what is something fascinating to observe presently in your present time is that science is beginning to recognize that cetaceans are not all the same, that they’re all individually different and that they’re not always harmonious. They fight with each other. Not in physical fights, they actually have conflicts with each other similar to humans, in which they argue. (Elias places his hands facing one another and wiggled his fingers as if they were talking to one another.)
JEAN: Through their voice. You did the voice thing.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: They’re—
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: Oh my god.
ELIAS: Yes. They vocalize in similar manners to humans.
JEAN: Is that because they are essence now?
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: Yeah. Because I was – hold that thought. I want to say we’re going to come back to that. But on this topic, I think one of the big things that clicked with me on this topic is my recent conversation with you, is that we all have different intents and desires.
ELIAS: Correct.
JEAN: And I think a lot of people were really shocked that – like I was – that we’re not all here to experience harmony. But you had said one time that the natural expression of essence is harmony, but…
ELIAS: But you’re in a physical reality, and as essence you’re exploring the design of this reality.
JEAN: Okay. Now this gets back to a very important topic, of cats and observing my cats. And when we talked about how people that engage with animals on a consistent basis are really exploring their own interaction of subjective/objective. So I watch my own cats now, how one will do something and the other will attack them. But you’re teaching us or telling us it’s… First of all, would you consider that a reaction? One cat’s expressing a certain energy. The other cat comes and smacks it.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: That’s a reaction.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: But you’re teaching us not to react.
ELIAS: Correct.
JEAN: But animals do it in the wild.
ELIAS: Yes, they do.
JEAN: So is it that as we react less, they’ll react less? Or is it something that we, with self-awareness, just not to do that anymore because it perpetrates. It’s perpetrator-y energy.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: Elias, how’s a Sumafi to take in all this stuff (Elias laughs) when you just rewrite how we’ve been living for eons?
ELIAS: I agree.
JEAN: Fighting, wars, conflict.
ELIAS: And you’re still doing it.
JEAN: And we’re still doing it.
ELIAS: But I’d say that there are more and more people that are becoming more and more self-aware, and moving in different directions. And in that, I’d say that you have evidence of that, in looking at so many other countries in relation to your country. Other countries are pulling away and recognizing, “This is not worth it to align with. We don’t agree with this conflict.” Other countries have pulled away from countries that are expressing tremendous conflict. They’re not as supportive any longer as they used to be.
JEAN: Okay. We’ve got to switch a subject here because I’ve got… This is so important to me.
ELIAS: Very well.
JEAN: We’ve been talking about the ethics in crocodile handbags or fur or other—
ELIAS: Yes. Yes.
JEAN: Along the – and we talked about tomato worms. We’ve got to pull the tomato worm discussion into this as well. So my next one is, what about silk? The ethicality of using silk, knowing that the little worms were boiled to death to get the silk. But then with the tomato worm discussion that we had, you said the consciousness is different. They just kind of eat and consume and eat and consume. So… silkworms or silk?
ELIAS: (Pause) It’s difficult to actually address to some of these issues with you, because you’re speaking about things that your species values tremendously. And your species, as I’ve said many times, is very young and you’re still very volatile and in that, you’re still learning about interconnectedness. It’s comical, in a manner of speaking, to myself because the individuals that speak with me are expressing – or those that may not speak with me, but are privy to the information and express how I keep expressing in the same direction. And I do, because you (chuckles) don’t understand yet. Because you’re still learning, you don’t understand what it means to be interconnected. You’re barely scratching the surface with that. Which I acknowledge because it is progress, but it’s still the very beginning.
Things such as silkworms, what I would say to you is this is something that is an expression of interconnectedness. If you are genuinely aware of that interconnectedness, then would you engage in that type of behavior?
JEAN: No.
ELIAS: No. You wouldn’t.
JEAN: That’s why I’m asking, I mean—
ELIAS: I understand.
JEAN: — what’s going on.
ELIAS: But that’s also what I have expressed from the onset of this forum. From the very beginning of all of my conversations with all of you, I have expressed that what you’re doing in shifting is redefining your reality. And what that includes is not only redefining words and redefining your reality in relation to yourself, but it also includes redefining what is important and what is valuable. You’re still having a considerable amount of trouble valuing each other or recognizing the interconnectedness with each other in relation to what you value. You have no problem in sacrificing other individuals to mine diamonds, because they’re very important and valuable. Or gold or any other precious metal or stone. The sacrifice of the humans or the animals is something you consider worth it, to obtain what you value.
You don’t (chuckles) value the loss of your own kind. You value a rock that you can polish, or a worm that you can murder, or any other animal that you can kill and skin. These are things that you value. Or gorillas that you can cut off the hands of, to use as ash trays or candy bowls. Where is the interconnectedness in all of that? But that’s what you value, and therefore that’s what you do. Therefore what can I say to you about a silkworm?
JEAN: You asked me, you know, and (emotional) I do value a silkworm.
ELIAS: I know you do. I know you do. And I would express that that’s likely something that you will bring to your collaboration with your cousin. What already is, is. Which I extend a tremendous acknowledgment to your cousin and to yourself in that you are using those things to reinvent. What’s already done is done, and you can’t undo it. You CAN not support what is being done, but the articles that she is collecting are things that are not present. They’re from past, and therefore that part is already done. In that, she’s not actually supporting what IS being done, which I acknowledge.
JEAN: Right. Right. Okay, two more things.
ELIAS: Very well.
JEAN: I’ve come across a person called Elisabeth Haich and the most amazing book I’ve ever read or listened to, called Initiation. Is she a focus or somehow related to me? It would have been an overlapping focus.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: She’s another Lyla? I can almost cry. The information in the book Initiation, it’s… It’s brought me the closest to understanding energy than anything I’ve read that supports what you have been saying. It takes… like you’re the cake. This is like the icing on top of it. It’s very similar to another focus of mine, Joan Grant, that her life was just amazing and then she wrote probably the most beautiful book I’ve ever read, Winged Pharaoh, and in it she goes through her Egyptian focus that underwent the initiation, and then this lady has a recollection of another focus of hers that went through the initiation. And in a way, am I going through an initiation? Like a modern-day initiation?
ELIAS: I would agree.
JEAN: And that’s just self-awareness?
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: Okay.
ELIAS: Not “just.”
JEAN: Yeah, it’s self-awareness. Wow. And then the other thing was, I had the dog I was talking about and afterwards I decided I’m not going to do this anymore. I’m going to do something else. And I haven’t heard from the gal and this dog was pretty bad, mentally. On the way up here, I get a call. She says, “Oh my god! You’ve changed this dog’s life! My husband didn’t believe that putting pictures up could do anything, but he’s playing with his toys, he’s eating, he’s happy, he’s running outside and playing in the snow,” and da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And she started crying. I almost started crying, and I explained to her. I said, “When I get back, I’m going to give you an audio clip,” I said, “But you have to understand, this, the grief is coming from you. This grief, he’s not safe.” And I said, “We’ll discuss it later, about this, but you’re causing all of this on the dog because you’re still blaming yourself for the death of the other dog.” And then she started crying, “Yes, I do. Yes, I do.”
So Elias, I think one thing that came out of that is this works, even though she wasn’t aware that she was doing it. How can that be?
ELIAS: That is an example of the interconnectedness, because your energy is in the artwork and all they have to do is look at it, and you’re connecting with their energy and infusing with their energy. Which then influences them to change behaviors and energy.
JEAN: So was she changing her behavior, even though she wasn’t aware of it?
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: And so once the artwork is withdrawn, will that maintain? Or they have to have the art in front of them?
ELIAS: No. I would say if they have it for a time, so that they are somewhat grounded in the change, then it will carry without the art.
JEAN: I was, the reason I said I wanted to stop with the work with animals is because I didn’t want to have to go into psychotherapy with people, that explaining they’re doing this and they need to change. You know, go into their past, and “What are you doing?” Like trauma work, and I don’t want—
ELIAS: You don’t have to do that.
JEAN: Oh my god. That’s like an eye-opener.
ELIAS: You don’t have to do any of that.
JEAN: All they need to be aware of is that they’re contributing.
ELIAS: Yes.
JEAN: Somehow. Okay. Well, we’ll talk about this more. There might be several. Go do something with my cousin and do something with the animals on a selective basis, but that really lifted my spirits.
Oh! Just something fun that happened recently. (Elias chuckles) I got two emails within ten days of each other. One was from my former employee, which they fired me ten years ago or we fired each other, and then from who I call Cersci, the slum landlord where I used to live, both inviting me to parties.
(The timer for the end of the session rings)
JEAN: Now they were accidental emails but it’s like, “If you’re receiving this, we want you to know we care about you and you’re invited.” To some big shindig in Virginia and one (laughs) down the street. I’m going, “That’s pretty interesting imagery.” Is that reflecting a change in my energy?
ELIAS: Absolutely. Yes. And more valuing yourself, which is tremendous.
JEAN: Yes. Elias, thank you.
ELIAS: You are very welcome. I very much look forward to our next conversation.
JEAN: I as well. Thank you.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) You are very welcome. And I express an acknowledgment to you. You ask very good questions.
JEAN: Thank you.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) Until our next meeting, in tremendous love and in precious friendship, au revoir.
JEAN: Au revoir.
(Elias departs. Audio excerpt ends after 30 minutes)
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