An Exploding Head Gates of Horn Experience
Topics:
“An Exploding Head Gates of Horn Experience”
“Experiencing the Inner Sense of Empathy”
“Being Essence without Separation”
“Connecting with a Concurrent Focus”
“Making Peace with Sasquatches”
Saturday, March 14, 2026 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Sandy (Allessandra)
ELIAS: Good morning!
SANDY: Good morning. Let’s start with a confession.
ELIAS: (Laughs) A confession. That sounds very serious.
SANDY: Well, you’re speaking with [someone] who could possibly be the laziest, most undisciplined meditator this side of the Mississippi River.
ELIAS: (Laughs) That’s questionable.
SANDY: I treat meditation like a playground. I don’t go in there with intentions, with missions. I just go in there and play. I will play with my energy centers. I will create a Gothic cathedral and put it on the top of a treetop, and then burn the tree down.
ELIAS: Ah!
SANDY: So all this to say is that I’m not really a formal meditator, but one day I’m out frolicking in my playground and I look up and I see above me a black and a white kidney bean-shaped structure that seems enormously energetic. So I approach it and I feel it’s both languid and very energetic, very… The velocity is huge. And as I approach this, I get a feeling that this is a conduit, an energy conduit directly from essence that is fueling or feeding my physical being. Does this sound like I’m off base?
ELIAS: No. Continue.
SANDY: What did I find? (Pause)
ELIAS: And?
SANDY: And my impression is like I said, that this is an energy conduit that feeds my physical life and powers all my energy centers. Is this accurate?
ELIAS: Yes, I would say. It’s your individual imagery, but the concept is accurate, yes.
SANDY: Is this a safe thing to explore? I have a history of doing dangerous things to myself and when I—
ELIAS: Such as?
SANDY: Well, we’ll go into that later with a hunt (laughs) like for the sasquatch for example, but it felt to me like if this was life. And as I continued looking at it, I realized this was also the roadway to death. This is the path you take when you die.
ELIAS: When YOU die.
SANDY: When Sandy dies, yes.
ELIAS: Yes.
SANDY: In other words, the energy there will present itself in a way that is consistent with my belief. If I believe I’m going to hell, it will make itself into hell. If I believe friends and family are awaiting me, it will produce that. In other words, it is the… It’s the path of life and of death.
ELIAS: I understand. Yes—
SANDY: What can you tell me about this?
ELIAS: — although I would express to you that regardless of whether you believe that you might go to hell, that doesn’t actually materialize when you die. That doesn’t happen.
SANDY: Right.
ELIAS: And in that, especially because you don’t realize that you’re dead right away.
SANDY: Sure.
ELIAS: It takes some time, and therefore during that time you think you’re still alive and that you are creating imagery that mirrors what you were experiencing in life, so to speak, very closely. Therefore in that, because you don’t remember your death immediately, that’s another reason that you wouldn’t be creating hell.
SANDY: I gotcha. Is this a safe thing to explore?
ELIAS: Yes.
SANDY: Okay. You know I, because when I got the death hit off of it, I’m like you know, I’m not ready to disengage at this point in time. So I kind of backed off at that point. So what are the benefits or—
ELIAS: The factor that it can be used as that avenue—
SANDY: Yeah?
ELIAS: — doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re going to use it at this point.
SANDY: Right. Okay. So how do I get into this… into this… It’s not an energy center. I’m going to call it an energy conduit. I pinged it several times, as one will ping their body energy centers to get into them, and it completely defied that approach.
ELIAS: I’d say that it’s a matter of perhaps engaging an experiential visualization.
SANDY: Okay. So in other words, allow images to be presented to me from this conduit and then go in through the images, rather than through a tone or a note?
ELIAS: Correct. Correct.
SANDY: So what are some of the benefits of doing this? I’m still not quite sure where this would lead me.
ELIAS: It depends on what you want to accomplish and what you want to explore. It’s simply another avenue of exploring yourself. Therefore it’s a matter of you having an intention of what you want to explore and this will allow you to do that.
SANDY: Okay. I see.
ELIAS: It’s similar to what Seth spoke about in relation to the Gates of Horn.
SANDY: Ah! I see. It was my impression that by noticing this conduit that I had collapsed the distance, not the space but the distance between myself and what appeared to be outside of myself.
ELIAS: Yes. Which means that what you’re doing is exploring the subjective part of yourself.
SANDY: That’s very interesting because you know when I felt the death part of it, I got a little nervous because like I said I do have a penchant for danger and I kind of withdrew myself a little bit. And I came back to my playground and came back to myself. And instantly, instantly I felt electricity erupting from the top of my head.
ELIAS: Ah!
SANDY: And I said you know, this will go away in a couple of days or it’ll go away soon, but it didn’t. It’s in fact increasing. And on top of that, I would sit at my desk and the bones of my upper spine just began popping, like a profound chiropractic crack. My impression is that this is my body kind of adjusting to this unfamiliar energy flow.
ELIAS: You are correct.
SANDY: Okay. Needless to say, I was kind of confused. I got the… My head is just erupting, and I had the presence of mind to access inner self via the pendulum. And I asked, “Do you feel this electricity?” “Yes.”
(Elias chuckles) “Should I try to direct it?” “No.” “Should I just let go?” And it said, “Yes,” and I just let go.
ELIAS: And what did you experience?
SANDY: I fell into myself, and when I fell into myself I felt myself turning inside out. In other words, it felt like my nerves and lymphatic system were on the surface of my skin and… Yeah, it just felt like I was falling into a well.
ELIAS: That’s an interesting—
SANDY: Why?
ELIAS: — manner of moving in the direction of being aware of your subjective half of you.
SANDY: Okay. Yeah, I get this. And you know what? I’m not going to detail the experience, not because it’s especially personal but because… Picture a ball in your hand, okay? And if somebody said, “Point to the top of the ball,” you could, or the bottom. But if you shifted your hand slightly, then everything would change. Where’s the beginning of the ball? Where does the ball end? Where’s the front of the ball? Where’s the back of the ball? So the experience was handed to me as a whole, and so finding a linear movement through it, it’s just not possible for me to do.
ELIAS: But I understand.
SANDY: So I emerged an exceptionally sensitive person. I mean it literally felt like my nerves were inside out. So…
ELIAS: That is a fascinating experience, my friend.
SANDY: The experience is just starting. (Both laugh)
ELIAS: I am aware.
SANDY: Well you know, life is life and here I am with my top of my head, and I’m going to use the short, a short term for it: the exploded head. That adds comedy to it for me and really describes what was going on there. (Elias chuckles) Life is life, and you know what? I live in a world and I had things to do in the world. So I went to the post office and I glanced at a woman, the person behind the counter, and… Do you know what a shotgun shell is?
ELIAS: Yes.
SANDY: Okay. Inside of a shotgun shell are hundreds of tiny beebees. And when I glanced at that woman, I smelled the inside of her car. I could feel her… Every… I can’t… Can you just give me a moment?
ELIAS: Very well.
SANDY: (Pause) (Sighs) So I could feel the puppy that was hit by the car. I could feel the first kiss she had. I could… I knew what she had, what she was going to have for lunch. I felt the heartbreak that she felt when her grandfather died. I… It felt like a shotgun had blasted through me with every intimate detail of this person’s life. And this, I want to stress, this is not sympathy nor is it empathy. Both of those terms suggest a separation. In other words, you feel sympathy for. You have empathy for. I was. I became that woman. And I don’t… What happened to me? I mean I want to say you experience no separation, but I don’t think that quite covers it.
ELIAS: No, but I would express to you that it is connected with your empathic sense, your inner sense of your empathic sense. And what you do with that inner sense is you actually do connect with another thing or another being and you experience their experiences.
SANDY: Directly. And I used the—
ELIAS: Yes.
SANDY: — the shotgun thing is…
ELIAS: Yes.
SANDY: Because it literally felt… And all at once I knew these things and it felt like a physical blast.
ELIAS: Yes.
SANDY: Needless to say, I was pretty much disoriented. And then I turned around and glanced at the man behind me and I saw his entire Vietnam experience. I felt that his car needed new brakes. I knew that his family situation was uncomfortable for him. So I finally left the post office after two more shotgun blasts and needless to say it was… I was a little disoriented.
ELIAS: Which is understandable.
SANDY: It is.
ELIAS: Especially when that is new.
SANDY: Yes. Yes. So this happened for about a week, maybe more, where I could not look at somebody without getting a full shotgun blast at them. And here’s a concomitant point. As I’m steeling myself to go into the grocery store, a voice appears in my head saying, “It is merely an information stream. You don’t have to own it.” (Chuckles)
ELIAS: Correct.
SANDY: When I got home – it was ten degrees outside, as it had been for months – and a yellow butterfly appeared and that meant more to me than even you can know.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) I very much understand, my friend.
SANDY: You know? And it was such a perfectly timed revelation in such a simple sentence. It allowed me to reorient myself and look at it from a different direction.
ELIAS: Excellent. And what did you do or have you done since then?
SANDY: Well that was a step in the process of the voyage that I had not intended to take, but took and I’m taking now. So it did, I got some solace from that, but the exploding head thing was ramping up. Whereas it started out merely as like some sparks and sensations, it had now become incredibly powerful, to the point of distraction.
The energy from the exploded head went down my spine, spread across my shoulders and probably to about three inches below my shoulder blades and it was incessant. It didn’t stop. So I, one day sitting, not meditating, not thinking, not doing anything and I was alone, I was in a white space and it was kind of small but not… It felt claustrophobic but infinite too, and I was alone. I was completely alone. I’ve never felt anything like this. And the paradox of being involved in being every single person that I looked at came back to me and knowing them and the aloneness of it… I felt very crushed. And (sighs) when I came back from this experience, all I could do was rock in my chair and hug my shoulders and I just kept cooing, “Consciousness is unfolding. Everything is okay.” And this lasted a long time. I’m not asking you to explain this paradox to me—
ELIAS: Very well.
SANDY: — only to just point me in a direction where I might find some information or a landmark to help me accommodate or integrate this experience.
ELIAS: Integrating that experience will not necessarily be difficult for you with a simple explanation.
SANDY: I follow and understand.
ELIAS: What you, what you experienced, was an awareness of what the experience of yourself is, but not only yourself, everyone’s self in your reality until they recognize their interconnectedness.
SANDY: Okay.
ELIAS: Now; let me express to you that this experience is also twofold because that’s the first piece of it. But then there is the second piece of it, which is what you term to be the void, which is what you’re experiencing, is this void.
SANDY: Yeah.
ELIAS: And the void is nothingness. Not no thing, but nothing. And that is, in a manner of speaking, connected with what you were speaking about in relation to this conduit that you discovered.
SANDY: Okay.
ELIAS: The void is very much connected with that because it is the beginning avenue into that interconnectedness, into the awareness of that.
SANDY: It just felt so cruel to be everything and then be nothing.
ELIAS: Now; think about that.
SANDY: Okay.
ELIAS: And if you think about it in relation to people, this is where they are. This is, in a manner of speaking, their experience when they are not aware of their interconnectedness, when they see themselves as singular and by themselves.
SANDY: Okay.
ELIAS: This is also something that contributes to many individuals experiencing depression, because they feel disconnected.
SANDY: The alone didn’t… So you’re saying the alone is a disconnection? Or the alone is a movement towards integrating everything?
ELIAS: Both.
SANDY: Gotcha. Okay. I will puzzle about this. I don’t think it will be easy for my turtle brain to get to (Elias laughs) but I will. Okay, so are we at the end of this? No. (Laughs) We’re not at the end of this. (Elias laughs) Meanwhile, the exploding head is now… It went from wires to now being a powerline that has been snapped by a falling tree branch and it, the energy is dancing on the ground and spitting and sparking everywhere.
And then this happens. It’s dark. I’ve eaten for the day. The stars are up. I feel relaxed. And the exploded head energy congeals at the base of my skull, and from that come two tentacles that look like, that have the art of a stripper, just moving in such a sensuous way. And it moved towards my heart, and they just barely, barely brushed my heart. It could have been an atom that just, of that energy, that touched it. And instantly my breath turned into a softball and stuck in my throat. It felt like I had ten hearts and each was beating at a trillion beats per second. I had a hundred adrenaline glands and they were all at maximum volume, and I was afraid.
And she was there for me, my inner self was there. She loves me. (Emotionally) She… Give me a second. She grabbed the steering wheel out of my hand, yanked me out of my chair, planted my ass on the floor, snapped me into a formal yoga posture – which is pretty comical, given my lax attitude towards that – and we started to breathe. It was four breaths of blue silk, one second of halting yellow gravel and our hands began to fly, between touching different fingers like… She finally found the correct hand positions to complete the circuit and there was a… The energy that was so out of control snapped into a counterclockwise motion that continued to gain velocity. And I was partly outside of myself and partly inside, being involved with this and it became a maelstrom. And she was so poised. She didn’t ignore what was happening, but she didn’t give it much mind either. And for the next forty minutes, forty objective minutes, this energy just began circulating in me. Is that a kind of an accurate description of what—
ELIAS: Of your experience?
SANDY: Yes.
ELIAS: Yes.
SANDY: Yes. Okay. So this was like, it felt like a circuit breaker suddenly snapping down and the energy that had been wild had now become contained in me, in my body, in our body. Any comments on that?
ELIAS: I’d say that this is an exceptional experience of recognizing yourself as essence and being connected, rather than having this expression of separation, which this is what is normal for humans, is to have this separation and to not actually recognize yourself as essence. There’s this degree of separation in which people see themselves and recognize themself and their identity with themself, and then they think of essence as being something outside of themself. And what you’ve given yourself is an experience of being aware of BEING essence, not something separate.
SANDY: Well I must say—
ELIAS: Which I would say is tremendous, my friend.
SANDY: Okay.
ELIAS: I would also acknowledge you, that that can be to a degree unsettling. (Chuckles)
SANDY: (Laughs) No, that which is beneficial is not always comfortable, and if that’s not your exact words, they pretty much should be. (Elias laughs) I mean, I recognize that.
ELIAS: That is correct.
SANDY: And for the following week, between 7:07 and 7:17 this would happen again. And when it happened the next time, I was ready for it. I recognized it. I got myself on the floor. I snapped myself into a formal position. Inner self, spun all the energy centers to get them as bright as they could be, to their peak moment. And she found the fingers again and we went through it, but it was like one-third as intense. And over the preceding week when this would happen right at those hours, it was increasingly easy for me to accommodate to the point where I, by the end of this, I didn’t even have to get out of the chair or snap into formal positions. I could simply breathe through it.
ELIAS: THAT is tremendous, my friend. And I would also say that another piece of that that is so excellent is that ability to breathe into or through. Your breath is an amazing tool that you can use in any of these experiences to propel you, to calm you, to move you in different directions. It is amazing what you can do with breathing.
SANDY: And I have to say, like I… We started this conversation with me being undisciplined, lazy and kind of like a hooligan in the meditation area, but inner self knew. She knew. She told me what, she told us what to do and through the wisdom of that and the love of that, I was able to work through it. And my gratitude towards myself was immense.
ELIAS: Which is wondrous. Congratulations.
SANDY: Thank you. Okay, so we’ve got the exploding head. We had the aloneness. We had the circuit complete. We had the shotgun shell. But we’re not done yet (Elias laughs) and this, I’m calling this the final chapter because I really felt, feel like this is it.
Okay, so one morning I get up and I’m bathing, and I look at my arms and hands and the… I’ve like weightlifter veins all over my arms like, you know, when people use their muscles a lot, the veins get big to supply the muscles with energy and stuff.
ELIAS: Yes.
SANDY: And I’m like, “This is unusual.” I get out and I shave and there’s a scar on my face that was not there before. It’s a substantial scar. And I’m puzzling about this and I look at my whole face and a birthmark that vanished when I was twelve years old has reappeared. And I look at my eyes. I have blue eyes and they… and depending upon the light and my mood, they’ll go anywhere from swimming pool blue color to navy blue. And flecks of all the colors that my eyes have ever been are now visible, and I have yellow flecks and green flecks in my eyes that are glowing like some polished variscite, which is a cousin to turquoise. And I wasn’t surprised at all. At this point, nothing is going to surprise me. (Elias laughs)
So obviously, I mean what my impression is, is that the person who went to sleep that night was not the person who rolled out of bed that morning.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) I agree.
SANDY: I shifted into some kind of probable self, where my physicality was different from the physicality before this experience.
ELIAS: It’s not that you shifted into a probable self. You shifted into yourself.
SANDY: Ah. Interesting.
ELIAS: Therefore the seeing yourself as who you are, the identity that you’re familiar with, but more than that. Being essence. Being aware of being essence.
SANDY: Ah. So in the present tense, here’s what’s happening now. The very first thing that happened to me physically, and this was at the very early stages of the exploded head, is that my vision, my physical vision went from a cone of about between thirty and fifty degrees to easily one hundred and twenty degrees. And I can walk into a Walmart along a one-hundred-yard aisle and I can see every single thing in it equally, together at once. That would—
ELIAS: That is also an indicator of the expansion.
SANDY: I gotcha. What I am now involved with is what I’m calling the dilation and the constriction of the – and I’m going to call this a peripheral sense – the notion that I’m feeling what you are feeling exactly, with no separation. That, it’s like a peripheral sense. What I’m learning to do now is constrict it and dilate it. So far I have two positions, completely dilated and as constricted as I can make it. What I’m training myself to do now is to kind of open my fingers just a little bit, so that I can look at somebody and not get the shotgun shell immediately. I can simply get different layers of information, of different intimacy of this, so I’m not… Well, I’m not owning it, I’m observing it.
ELIAS: Correct.
SANDY: Okay.
ELIAS: Correct. I very much understand. And that’s good, because it allows you to move through and function in your reality without being constantly overwhelmed.
SANDY: Yes. Yes. I’m getting better at it. I spent like… A couple days ago I decided I was going to treat myself and go to a bar for a beer and a burger, and I managed about forty minutes of lightly observing. I could see the friendship between people. I knew what they talked about. I could feel their talk about… And I was able to lightly engage it and not own it, so that’s the point I am on that now. I’m trying to dial in or dial out consciously how much I’m going to accept of this peripheral sense.
ELIAS: Excellent.
SANDY: Is my…? It is my impression that what I bumped into here, this peripheral sense I’m calling it, is common in everybody. Every single body in the world has it, but it’s just that they are not conscious of it.
ELIAS: Not aware.
SANDY: Aware. And so—
ELIAS: That comes with self-awareness. The more self-awareness you have, the more you become aware of interconnectedness, not only with outside sources but even with yourself and all of the different aspects of yourself. And therefore I’d say that you’re correct. Most individuals are not self-aware and therefore they are not aware of the interconnectedness. And that brings you back to that experience that you had of the void—
SANDY: Right.
ELIAS: — and recognizing and understanding that this is where most people exist, which is, I would say, considerably sad because it’s uncomfortable because they are alone, or they think they are alone. They’re not aware that they’re not alone.
SANDY: Right. Yeah. Don’t you love how this entire journey is nothing but a bundle of paradoxes? It’s… Of everybody. I’m not… I feel… It’s just the paradoxes come up and they present themselves as axioms, and for linear person, a person in linear time, it does present some confusion.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) That’s very understandable. But the more aware you become, the less confused you become.
SANDY: Yes. Yes. I mean—
ELIAS: Because the more you understand.
SANDY: Right. And the paradoxes become obvious, because that’s the nature of life and of being.
ELIAS: Yes. Yes.
SANDY: Okay. So I’ve some impressions about my experience. I’d like to run them past you.
ELIAS: Absolutely.
SANDY: It seems to me like this empathy sense that I have noticed and recognized and brought into consciousness is… I’m going to call it a foundation sense. In other words, my inner self accessed via the pendulum has told me that, “Yeah, you know what? As you acclimate to this, further inner senses are going to come online.” And it was almost like this empathy sense was the prerequisite for those things happening.
ELIAS: Yes. I agree.
SANDY: And I also think that further inner senses will not come with the drama or the hysteria or the trauma that this initial, first breakthrough did.
ELIAS: Correct. Because now you’re already aware of what you’re doing and the direction you’re moving in.
SANDY: I follow. Yeah. Yeah. And another thing I want to ask, which I think you’ve already answered, is that finding this, the black and white energy conduit, does not necessarily mean that your head is going to explode, that you’re going to be—
ELIAS: No.
SANDY: That was my translation of it. I used that energy to propel myself into these areas.
ELIAS: Correct.
SANDY: Okay. (Laughs) Well, that’s good to know because I would hate to send people off doing this and then have their heads explode. It’s—
ELIAS: No. That’s not going to happen. (Laughs)
SANDY: It’s also my sense that… I needed additional electricity to move to this next point. And in that need for that electricity or that energy or that velocity, that brought me to black and white.
ELIAS: But understand: as a being in physical focus, you are electric and magnetic.
SANDY: Yes.
ELIAS: The electric is the outward flow—
SANDY: Ah!
ELIAS: — and therefore that’s why you were experiencing that electricity, that electric experience.
SANDY: I follow. (Sighs) Finally my impression is, is that if I fully engage this energy, that if I allow it, that if I play with it, that if I interrogate it, that it has the potential to manifest an unusually radiant physicality and a very rich mentality and life.
ELIAS: Yes, I agree.
SANDY: Yeah. I feel that. It’s… It’s right there. It’s right there.
ELIAS: Yes.
SANDY: And I have, I have in place psychic scaffolding, which is like the precursor to physical materialization of something. I have scaffolding in place now. I’m eager to fill it out and to start living it.
ELIAS: Excellent, my friend. That is tremendous.
SANDY: Thank you. So on to a different topic, but… adjacent to, but directly related to this. I have a focus of Hathor. She’s the Egyptian goddess of turquoise, eye makeup, dance. She’s the goddess of the “Come hither” look. She’s the goddess of friendship between people playing backgammon. The good things in life. I was confused. I felt her in 18,000 B.C. Sahara. And I felt her again 3,000 years later, the same being, the same physicality, the same memories. I felt her again in 4,000 B.C., on and on and on. Is Hathor a time traveler?
ELIAS: No. You are giving yourself the awareness of how you move in directions of being connected and generating these ongoing interactions and manifestations. But remember: it’s not actually linear, it simply appears to be linear and therefore because you have chosen to be involved in a reality that uses linear time—
SANDY: Right.
ELIAS: --but that is an expression and an experience that is continuously happening in that endless now.
SANDY: Ah! Okay. I follow that. Yeah.
ELIAS: That’s why you think that you keep encountering, when in actuality it’s all one experience.
SANDY: Ah! Okay. You know when this whole thing first happened to me, you know the electricity, the exploding head, the shotgun shells, my first impulse was to become a victim. I felt like, “Oh, I was just walking around and some cosmic lightning bolt struck me and did this to me.” And this is not the case. I’ve reflected on this and I’ve realized that after the four, five years or so I just… I decided that I was going to manifest what I wanted and nothing was going to get in the way. And as I began to manifest what I wanted and it came into being, I became confident. And as I continue to do this, my confidence turned into self-respect and self-respect, my friend, is very addictive. (Elias laughs) That’s what brought me—
ELIAS: I would agree.
SANDY: That’s what brought me here. Also my intent is to know myself as fully as I can. And that would include Sandy, who you’re talking to today, and all of Allessandra’s focuses as well. This is why over the years I’ve only asked you focus questions, because this is part of me seeing myself. You know, every focus gets the same toolkit but what you choose to do with it is specific to that focus. So—
ELIAS: Correct.
SANDY: My intent was like, “You know what? I’m going to open up this toolbox. I’m going to see how it manifests in other places, with other focuses, and know myself.” And I think part of this experience was my intent and my desire to know myself as fully as I can.
ELIAS: And that is tremendous, my friend. Tremendous.
SANDY: (Sighs) My friend, I’ve given myself a gift beyond money, and that is I’ve found a concurrent focus. And I felt when she was born. Well, at least I felt when Allessandra inhabited this physical form and committed to it. And it is wonderful. She is a tiktoker and Youtuber and stuff, so she’s constantly putting her artwork out, which is… She’s a bass player, a musical bass player. And all I can say is this must be how essence feels towards all its focuses, the love I have for her, the encouragement I have. That it’s a… It’s hard to find words for it, but that love. And the surprise she brings every day, this has to be how essence feels towards all of its selves.
ELIAS: But that’s what you are.
SANDY: Yes. Yes. Yes. And to see myself doing these things and performing this beautiful music. Yeah. You’re right.
ELIAS: And having that love and that appreciation, because that’s what and who you are.
SANDY: Yes. And that’s the constant surprise. Like I never knew that I would be that, but there I am, surprised and pleased, and loving.
ELIAS: I would say that is wondrous, my friend.
SANDY: It is so wondrous.
ELIAS: And glorious, is it not?
SANDY: It is. She’s a sleepstate athlete. And so I merely, when I felt her, I merely put up a gentle kind of like a, “Hey! I wonder what’s up?” She was there instantly. She was there that night. We hang out, talk, whisper in each other’s ears, giggle. And yeah, it’s so intimate. And you know for me, when you’ve got a past focus it seems like in some ways that their stories and their accomplishments have been fossilized and you see them from that lens, but to see yourself in a concurrent focus, what they are doing, the surprises they bring to it, the choices they make, the things that they do, the things they don’t do, all… It’s just… It’s exciting. It’s a gift beyond anything I could have ever given myself.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) And there you are, and there you did.
SANDY: Indeed. Yeah. And the surprise that unfolds is great, you know. I’m just loving this.
ELIAS: Surprise is wondrous. I would agree, because it fills you with something that is not something that you experience continuously.
SANDY: Yeah. Yeah. And yet the sensation of it, it feels like every aspect of yourself is accelerated and delighted.
ELIAS: Yes.
SANDY: So I’m pretty much at the end of what I wanted to talk about. So do you or any of your (laughs) hooligan buddies hanging out (Elias laughs) in Framework 5 drinking Barbados rum, do you guys have any questions you’d like to ask me?
ELIAS: Hooligans! I like that. (Laughs)
SANDY: I almost said scallywag, but I thought that was too strong.
ELIAS: (Laughs) That’s excellent also. (Both laugh) Scallywag and hooligan. (Both laugh) Tremendous, my friend. (Laughs)
SANDY: It’s important to add humor to things. It really is, and it—
ELIAS: Absolutely.
SANDY: You know, it just helps level the field. There’s no… It’s just it’s fun. But do you guys have any questions for me?
ELIAS: I would say that is a tremendous piece, is fun.
SANDY: Yes, it is.
ELIAS: It’s excellent.
SANDY: It is.
ELIAS: And I would say to you, my friend, that (laughs) I would challenge you the next time you choose to get a beer and a burger (laughs), to be remembering that scallywag crew (both laugh) and know that we are there with you. (Laughs)
SANDY: Yeah. Yeah. And I felt that, and I incorporate that and the sense of gratitude for the help I get. But it’s not help, it’s more like involvement. You know, it’s—
ELIAS: Yes.
SANDY: It’s an involvement. When you think, when you use the word “help,” it’s something given to somebody else. This is not it. It’s just like, “You know what? Let’s see what you’re going to do next. Surprise me, if you will.”
ELIAS: Ah, yes. Ah, yes. And I would say to you, surprise me. (Both laugh)
SANDY: I accept that challenge. I accept that challenge and intend to fill it out.
ELIAS: Excellent. (Laughs)
SANDY: I really do.
ELIAS: THERE is the fun.
SANDY: I mean, that’s part of the thing. I mean, if you’re not having fun there’s a heaviness to things. When you’re having fun, things become thrilling and when things become thrilling you engage with them more.
ELIAS: Yes. Yes. I very much agree.
SANDY: I guess I’m just saying the obvious.
ELIAS: I would say that lightness is always more enjoyable and when you enjoy yourself, you’re more likely to continue to create whatever it is that you enjoy.
SANDY: Yeah. Yeah.
ELIAS: Which is tremendous, and you’ll continue to pay attention to that. And it’s easy.
SANDY: Yes. I mean, when you—
ELIAS: And in that, I would say that that is tremendous because people so often become bogged down in paying attention to what they don’t want or what they don’t like, and being so serious. And it’s actually very easy to become light and fun, and not serious.
SANDY: Right. Yeah. (Elias chuckles) I’m with you on that. And once again, we’re into our paradoxes here, which I believe are the crux to many, many mysteries.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) But in that, I’d say that that’s part of your reality, part of your explorations, being the duality and the duplicity of your reality.
SANDY: Sometimes it’s—
ELIAS: It is all part of the exploration.
SANDY: Yeah. Yeah. So do you want to hear the end of the sasquatch story? Or do you want to—
ELIAS: Very well.
SANDY: Okay. What happened was, is that you told me, “Do not engage with the sasquatch around your house,” or you advised or counselled very strongly, “Do not reach out to them.” Inner self via the pendulum said the exact same thing. But right after that, I walked up the hill behind my house and discovered two of their sleep bowers, and they reached out to me. I discovered that these creatures excel at exceptionally unsettling parlor tricks (Elias chuckles) and they… They were (inaudible) and I couldn’t… Even if… Even as I was like shocked and terrified at the crap that was unfolding, I couldn’t help but admire it. And I’m like, “There’s some very high-level stuff going on here.” So I knew I had to do something, so I slept on it. I thought about it. I pondered it. And I stepped outside and I said to them, “This is your home, and so long as I am here I will never walk up that hill again. I will never try to take pictures. I’m not going to tell people you’re here. And in exchange, you will not deliberately do things to alarm me.” And it worked. (Elias laughs) Three days later, they left me a peace offering which was a snow globe shaped, shaped like a house.
ELIAS: Ah!
SANDY: And the relief I felt was beyond expression. Now having said that, we’re going to fast-forward seven months or so. And there are three little ones that just… They’re just… They just rampage around and do mischief. They’re full of horseplay, and they started horseplaying with me. And I didn’t like it, so I recalled, just about maybe three weeks ago I stepped outside – you can feel when they’re around. I can. And I said, “I want to talk to your father right now.” Father appeared. I said, “Look, you know, we have peace. Peace is our two promises kept. I promised not to tell on you, take pictures, all that crap. You promised not to deliberately do things to alarm me. I feel alarmed when you crash past my window at night when I’m sleeping. I feel alarmed when you take my toolbox, empty it on the floor and kick it all around. I feel alarmed when you put handprints and paint stuff on my car. So let us renew our peace today with this new understanding.” And guess what? That worked. The kids, even the kids… Obviously they’re not allowed to go near my house anymore. It’s pretty refreshing, not having them around all the time.
ELIAS: Congratulations.
SANDY: Yeah. It was… I really pulled out of my ass some major, diplomatic language and just put it in, framed it in a simple way that was mutual benefit for both of us.
ELIAS: Good.
SANDY: Yeah.
ELIAS: Good.
SANDY: Now I want to stress that they’re… This is not a peace of respect or a peace of trust. It is merely a peace of convenience, and that’s fine with me. Just leave me alone. I’ll leave you alone. Don’t knock over my tools. Don’t paint things on my car with muddy fingers, and all is good. And so that’s… It’s interesting because I… These creatures are, I would call them peripheral beings. And in my own examination of my own peripheral self and including more into myself than what was god given, I think that’s kind of what brought me into contact with them. Because I was exploring my own peripheral and they are on the peripheral of this physical world.
ELIAS: Yes.
SANDY: Okay. Well, may peace be with us both. (Elias laughs) Let’s just leave it at that. I prefer—
ELIAS: I agree.
SANDY: Yeah, I agree. Well, my friend, I think our conversation is over for today.
ELIAS: Very well. I shall greatly be anticipating our next meeting.
SANDY: Why, thank you.
ELIAS: And my energy is always with you, my friend.
SANDY: May you find the love.
ELIAS: Congratulations in relation to everything that you have accomplished and experienced, and I look forward to more of your accomplishments.
SANDY: Well, the best is yet to come, my friend. I really feel like that. I am just starting and the world is unfolding in front of me.
ELIAS: Excellent.
SANDY: May you find delight in the ever-unfolding, surprising chambers of your heart.
ELIAS: (Laughs) As always. (Laughs) I express tremendous love to you, and dear friendship.
SANDY: I feel it and I appreciate it.
ELIAS: Until our next meeting, au revoir.
SANDY: Thank you.
(Elias departs after 1 hour 3 minutes)
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