Sunday, January 4, 1998 ©
1998 (Group)
Participants: Mary (Michael), Vicki (Lawrence),
Ron (Olivia), Cathy (Shynla), David (Mylo), Bobbi (Jale), Drew (Matthew),
Helen (Jsenne), Dennis (Gaylord), Gail (William), Norm (Stephen), Reta
(Dehl), Sue (Catherine), and Don. (Don has never asked his essence
name)
Elias arrives at 6:55 PM. (Time was seventeen seconds)
ELIAS: Good evening.
GROUP: Good evening!
ELIAS: (To David, grinning) And are you prepared this evening?
(We all crack up)
DAVID: I've got my belt fastened, yes!
ELIAS: Very good! We shall be expressing that although our
subject matter may be sexual orientations, no orgasmic activity shall be
occurring! (Laughter)
RON: Hey, speak for yourself! (Wild laughter)
ELIAS: Very well! (Chuckling) Now you may engage in
your foreplay, and engage your game and excite yourselves! (Laughter)
RON: Okay. Anatomical features, nose, Ilda.
ELIAS: (Grinning) Ah, quite appropriate! One point!
DREW: Opening a new category: Household items, pencil,
Sumafi.
ELIAS: One point.
NORM: Astronomical objects, dark matter, Gramada.
ELIAS: One point.
HELEN: Movies, As Good As It Gets, Ilda.
ELIAS: Acceptable.
BOBBI: Under subgroups of essence families, Ildaree, Ilda.
(This is interesting, as Margot's screen name is Ildareed)
ELIAS: One point.
GAIL: Philosophers, Piaget, Borledim.
ELIAS: One point.
VICKI: Howard would like to open a new category of archangels,
and in that to enter Gabriel with Gramada.
ELIAS: Acceptable.
VICKI: For Mary: Muses, Kaliope, Sumari.
ELIAS: One point. (A chiming sound is heard, followed by
laughter)
VICKI: That's the fun part! (The "chiming" is the sound
of pennies being tossed into a bowl) (
ELIAS: Are you creating chimes? (Laughter)
VICKI: Yeah! For myself: Quotes, "Leap and the net
shall appear," Sumafi.
ELIAS: One point. (Chiming sound again) Chimes again!
CATHY: TV shows, The Outer Limits, Sumari.
ELIAS: One point. (Chiming) Chimes again!
SUE: Personality types, Bill Gates, Gramada.
ELIAS: One point. (Chiming) Ding! (Laughter,
and Elias chuckles) Our game is becoming more interesting! (Pause)
Very well! (To David) You may open our discussion this evening
if you are so choosing, as this be YOUR subject matter.
DAVID: Well, I think I opened it last week, so I've done it!
ELIAS: And you are wishing to be knowing of the quality of orgasms?
DAVID: Correct.
ELIAS: And their significance to what you view as their non-physical
counterpart?
DAVID: Correct.
ELIAS: In significance to non-physical counterpart, there is none!
DAVID: So, it's just a physical....
ELIAS: All that you present yourself within sexual experience
within this dimension is relative to this dimension, although I shall express
to you that within physical expressions, you are mirroring elements that
are known to you within essence. You are creating imagery that you
insert into your physical focus that mirrors elements within non-physical
aspects of essence. Therefore, within your creation of sexual intimacy,
you are creating imagery physically that mirrors a knowing of the lack
of separation within essence and consciousness .
DAVID: So the feeling then ... when somebody says, "Oh, I wonder
if heaven is what orgasm is all about? When we die, heaven is going
to feel just like an orgasm all the time!" (Laughter) That's
where they go! People go there in their belief system! This
is what I'm trying to find out.
ELIAS: They are sorely misled! (Much laughter)
DAVID: So heaven is not like that at all?
NORM: It's much better than that, right? (Laughter)
ELIAS: First of all, there is no PLACE of heaven. There
is merely all of consciousness, and all of consciousness has no need for
orgasmic states; although your state of being and your joyousness within
consciousness non-physically focused may be termed to be rapturous.
Therefore, you may compare your state of orgasmic rapture, which you view
to be the epitome of the heightened of senses and joyfulness within your
physical focus, as very weakly comparable to non-physical elements.
(Pause)
HELEN: Obviously, a long time ago, through religious factions
and different things, we've created a stigma around sex. Can you
explain why we did that?
ELIAS: This also reinforces your movement into separation from
essence. In your movement throughout your history of becoming
more separated in your attention and your forgetfulness of essence for
the purity of your experience within this dimension, you also divorce yourself
from elements of essence. Therefore, even within your imagery you
create belief systems that shall be separating of you.
In this, you have created belief systems to be placing taboos on sexual
activity. You also create this as another barrier in your lack of
remembrance of essence, that there is no gender within essence. Therefore,
to reinforce the purity of the experience within this physical focus --
of emotion and sexual orientation and experiences -- you separate, that
you may more fully experience each manifestation of sexual orientation.
HELEN: I don't understand. You're saying for the purity
of sex, for the purity of the experience, that we ... I don't understand.
ELIAS: Within essence, there is no gender. Within essence,
there are no taboos. Within essence, there is no right or wrong.
Within your belief systems that you have created within this dimension,
you separate. Therefore, you separate into creations of genders.
Within your manifestations, in agreeing to participate within this
dimension for the sexual experience, you choose to be creating within three
manifestations at the least for those experiences: one being male, one
being female, one being homosexual. Within these experiences you
have created many belief systems, but these belief systems serve to separate
you from the remembrance of essence, therefore allowing you the purity
of the experience. If you are not holding the belief systems of the
taboos of homosexuality, for example, you shall not allow yourself the
purity of the experience.
Also, you hold belief systems that serve as motivation for you.
If you are being instructed that any element is taboo, it creates an automatic
fascination within you. Therefore, you are motivated to explore.
You move beyond your confines and limitations of duplicity and you allow
yourself permission to explore these areas that are taboo. Although
you may be exploring privately and to your thinking secretly, you continue
to be motivated to explore.
In an instance that any individual expresses to you, "You may not do
this," you shall automatically naturally within you respond with, "I SHALL
do this," for within essence you hold a knowing that there is no element
that may be denied to you. You also hold the knowing that there is
no right or wrong. This provides you, in spite of your belief
systems, a very strong motivation to move into areas that are denied to
you as resulting of your belief systems.
This is not to say that your belief systems have not limited you within
many areas and also within your sexual orientations, for you also hold
fearfulness of damnation of your immortal souls, that you may enter areas
that cross the line of taboo and this may not be acceptable. But
you enter now into information and a knowledge that there is no limitation
for yourselves, and there is no area that is unacceptable for your experience.
You have also been told that pleasure is good. It provides you
with an ease within your value fulfillment. You may be accomplishing
your value fulfillment without pleasure, but in moving in the direction
of pleasure you accomplish your value fulfillment with less thickness.
(Humorously) Therefore, you may all engage within an orgy, indulge
yourselves with pleasure, and accomplish your value fulfillment with much
less thickness! (Grinning, and much laughter)
HELEN: Alright!
DAVID: So what about sexual diseases incorporated in things like
orgies and people getting other people's diseases by sexually being promiscuous,
so to speak? I know that be a belief systems, I guess, but....
ELIAS: Sexual diseases are generated by belief systems.
Just as you may create any dis-ease within you which is influenced by your
belief systems and your own issues that you hold, you may also be creating
dis-ease within areas of sexuality. As you DO hold religious belief
systems that suggest to you that sexual activity is not acceptable, you
create dis-ease to be reinforcing of these belief systems.
DAVID: This becomes a vicious circle with regards ... like AIDS.
A person will say, "I'm not going to get AIDS," and get it.
ELIAS: Although as I have expressed to you, at times certain dis-ease(s),
as with AIDS, are not merely influenced by belief systems. These
are epidemics which are created as a mass statement. Although individually
each individual creates this dis-ease within themselves for their own reasons
and are influenced by their own individual belief systems, en masse there
is another reason for the creation of this dis-ease.
DAVID: So our other physical focuses, you say, are affecting of
each other. Is it correct to say that in two of mine that I recalled
vividly in a dream, one where I was a high-class prostitute of a period
where then or there it wasn't considered like prostitution is today ...
I was actually a high priestess. This was a vivid dream that I connected
to as one of my focuses. Was this correct? (Elias nods)
And another one also was involved purely as a focus of sexual experience
that bleeds through. Would it be correct in affecting of this focus?
ELIAS: All of your focuses are influencing of all of your focuses.
As I have stated, at times certain focuses may be more influencing of other
focuses. Now; I may also express to you that another focus may NOT
be more influencing, but YOU may choose to be drawing energy from another
focus to be reinforcing of your focus presently and your belief systems
within this focus.
DAVID: Okay. So do we all in this room have focuses presently
going on that are very sexual oriented?
ELIAS: Yes ... as is this one! (Grinning)
DAVID: Right; but whereas some people in this room would probably
choose to believe that they are walking the "path of righteousness," so
to speak. Therefore, they would not think of themselves as being
promiscuous, yet another focus of theirs would be promiscuous.
ELIAS: This is correct, but your mere existence within this physical
focus places you in the experience of being a sexual being regardless of
your actions. Your thought processes magnate to your sexuality.
Your physical feelings reflect this regardless of your actions.
DAVID: Okay. If an individual experiences what they call
impotency, a doctor would say that's a problem with their psychological
imbalance or chemical imbalance. What is impotency?
ELIAS: This also is an action influenced by your belief systems.
In lack of acceptance of self, an individual may image this with this action
of impotency in not believing that they are worthy and imaging a lack of
what you term to be "performance," for they hold very strong issues and
belief systems in the area of lack of acceptance of self and duplicity,
and they may image this in this manner.
DAVID: So for example, body consciousness is involved. The
mind may say, "I want a woman," but the body may say, "No, it's a man I
want." Therefore, they fear impotency, and that mirrors conflict
between the conscious mind wanting it and the body consciousness ... do
you know what I'm saying?
ELIAS: It may be at times. This is not a rule. For
the most part, individuals experiencing this situation experience this
as they create an instruction to the body consciousness to be not performing
in its most intimate fashion, for the individual holds a great lack of
acceptance of self and may not be intimate with self.
HELEN: So that would be the same with an orgasm? Like
if you have a hard time having an orgasm, that's lack of acceptance of
self?
ELIAS: Correct. You do not allow yourself to share with
another individual; which as I have expressed, this is the physical mirror
action of the interconnectedness of essence, and you do not allow yourself
to engage in this action and share physically with another individual and
loosen your hold upon your separation, for you do not accept yourself.
Therefore, this creates a situation of fearfulness. If you are not
accepting of self, you shall be guarded. You shall limit yourself,
for you shall also not accept that another individual shall be accepting
of you.
You hold very DEEP belief systems in these areas. You guard yourselves
very carefully. You hold to your individual energies very carefully
and very seriously, for you hold very strong belief systems of hurtfulness.
You also hold very strong belief systems in what you THINK of as love.
You do not "give away" love and you do not receive love easily, for this
is an element to be guarded, and if mistreated it appears to be extremely
hurtful. Better not to engage this area than to engage the hurtfulness.
I express to you, you do not GIVE love. You do not RECEIVE love.
You do not ENGAGE love. You merely experience. It merely is.
It is not an entity. It is not a thing that you may pass to each
other. It is a state of being, and in it there is no hurtfulness.
It is merely your belief systems that create the illusion of hurtfulness,
although within your belief systems and your feelings, your emotions within
this dimension, it is reality of this hurtfulness. You do FEEL this,
but this is dictated by your belief systems. You have created many
situations in the area of your sexuality, in limiting yourselves with regard
to your belief systems.
HELEN: So I have a question. So if as a child ... sorry
if this makes anybody uncomfortable here, but this is the sex session!
I'm gonna get my twenty bucks! (Big grin from Elias, and much laughter)
So if as a child you were molested by a family member and you perceive
this to be a traumatic experience as a child, that's a belief system?
It's not ... I mean, it's not a damaging experience 'cause there is no
right and wrong? Are you saying ... what I think you're saying is
that ... I don't know. I don't know!
ELIAS: Within your dimension, you DO HOLD belief systems of right
and wrong. Therefore, they are reality. I am not expressing
to you that this is non-reality. It IS reality within this dimension.
But I express to you that it is a direct reality influenced by your belief
systems. Therefore, I may also express to you that if you are assaulted
or molested as a child and engaging in sexual activity with another individual,
this is not IN ESSENCE right or wrong. It is merely a choice of experience.
It is your belief systems that suggest a right and wrong to you.
You may engage in sexual activity as a small one and if you are not
holding belief systems that this be wrong, if other individuals about you
within your society are not suggesting to you that this be wrong, you shall
not bear psychological affectingness. You merely are affected in
what you term to be psychological aspects for the reason that you also
dwell within a society that expresses mass belief systems to you that this
activity is unacceptable.
As you engage within sexual activity at ANY age, as you begin initially,
is it not creating discomfort physically?
HELEN: You mean when you first start to have sex with someone?
At the beginning of the actual action?
ELIAS: Correct.
HELEN: Physical discomfort?
ELIAS: At your very first encounter.
HELEN: Oh yeah! You mean when I was a virgin!
ELIAS: It matters not what age you are, but you place belief systems
upon small ones and you reinforce these belief systems by expressing that
this is more hurtful to a small one.
HELEN: You're talking about physically, when you have sex for
the first time ever?
ELIAS: Correct. You reinforce this belief system also by
including psychological hurtfulness. Without the belief system, the
small one is not psychologically affected.
HELEN: So you're saying that there have been, in this physical
focus on earth, children that have had sex with adults that have gone unscathed
from the experience?
ELIAS: Correct.
HELEN: Because no one told them that it was a shameful, wrong
thing?
ELIAS: Correct.
VICKI: But you're not talking about instances where people force
themselves on children and hurt them?
ELIAS: I am not speaking of what you term to be violent acts.
VICKI: Right. We're talking two different things here.
ELIAS: This would be a different situation. This is a choice
of a victim and a perpetrator.
HELEN: So if you didn't grow up in a society like that, like most
of us didn't, and you suffer emotional or psychological scars from that
... well, I have a feeling I know what you're going to say, but how do
you get past that and go on to being free sexually?
ELIAS: By allowing yourself to be accepting of self, and recognizing
realistically that you create your reality within every moment. There
are no victims. I am quite aware that this may seem to you within
your belief systems to be harsh and also to be quite difficult to accomplish.
I do not express to you within physical focus that you may not be experiencing
difficulty in objectifying an acceptance, for this is requiring of your
addressing to your own belief systems and accepting all elements of yourself.
There is no one element of yourself that is worse or better than any other
element of yourself. All of your experience is that which is you,
and all of this is acceptable. It is merely your belief systems that
suggest to you that SOME of your experiences, some of YOU, is not acceptable.
HELEN: Because ... I mean in actuality, we choose what to experience
when we're here, right?
ELIAS: Correct.
HELEN: So, nothing happens without an agreement?
ELIAS: Correct, and this be one focus. You hold countless
focuses with innumerable experiences. I am aware that THIS focus
is where your attention be. Therefore, it is all-consuming to you;
but you may find comfort in knowing that this one focus is not all of you,
that you hold countless experiences in countless focuses.
HELEN: So is there a way to summon strength from other focuses
in that area?
ELIAS: You may if you are so choosing, although it is unnecessary,
for you are being lent energy by all of your other focuses and all of essence.
You receive this energy, and it reforms to be the most beneficial to this
particular focus that it may be.
NORM: Now, you're talking about the probable focuses of
Norman, not the other focuses of Stephen?
ELIAS: All.
NORM: All. That was going to be my question.
All taboos stimulate curiosity and conceptualization, and all conceptualizations
create other Normans, right?
ELIAS: All that you allow as a thought creates another probable self.
NORM: Right. Now for example, we have discussed one
of these that I felt I knew, and it was the vase artist. Is he sexually
oriented?
ELIAS: Yes.
NORM: Homosexually?
ELIAS: (Accessing) Not necessarily.
NORM: Dilettante, huh?
ELIAS: Correct. (Grinning)
NORM: Okay. (Chuckling)
DAVID: Is it true to say that all men and women carry homosexual
tendencies with them in this focus now?
ELIAS: No. Each focus has created a choice for that experience.
If you are choosing to be engaging as homosexual, this shall be your choice
for that experience within that focus. If you are choosing not to be engaging
homosexually and you are choosing to be experiencing merely within male
or female, this also shall be your experience. In actuality, homosexuality
is an incorrect terminology for this "other" focus. This be the
reason that I have expressed at the onset of these sessions that you choose
to manifest as male, female, or other, for you are not choosing to be homosexual.
You are choosing NOT to be aligning singularly with female or male gender
and sexuality.
RETA: At one time didn't you go as far as to say that your
practice of your sexual orientation could be non-practice, and that would
be your homosexual? Not having desire for female or male, but just
going through life without a push for a sexual desire, and that would be
non-sexual? Like maybe a monk or a person who ... it isn't their
prime focus in life. That's just something that they happen to be.
ELIAS: Incorrect. This also is a choice as influenced by
belief systems. The individuals are not manifest into this physical
dimension without sexual orientation. They choose to DENY their
sexual orientation through an influence of their belief systems, believing
that the lack or denial of sexual activity or orientation is more spiritual;
the denial of the flesh. These are merely belief systems that you
have created. Why create a sexual dimension and deny your experience?
RETA: Well, I guess it's just another choice!
ELIAS: Correct.
RETA: But then that being one side of it, and the other
side could be completely, openly homosexual. I mean, there's all
the varieties in between. It's not ... that "other," to me, takes
a lot of space.
ELIAS: Yes.
RETA: Not female, not male, but that "other." You
could be from one range to the another in that particular....
ELIAS: You are quite correct. Some individuals choose to
manifest within this particular dimension within a focus creating genitalia
of both!
RETA: Yes, right. And some of them want to be very
open about it, and some of them just go through their life and that's just
part of them and they don't have to be.
ELIAS: This is a dictate of their belief systems.
CATHY: What about people that are ... say someone is born a man
and always felt they were a woman, and then when they're forty they go
through all these changes to become a woman?
ELIAS: This be their choice also. Just as you may alter
any element within your focus as any moment, you may also alter your sexual
orientation and choose within a focus to change.
CATHY: That puts these people in the "other" category, or no?
ELIAS: No.
CATHY: No. They're not, because if you're in the "other"
category, that's where you are.
ELIAS: Correct.
VICKI: So you could do the male and the female thing in one focus?
ELIAS: Correct.
VICKI: Then you'd only have to come here twice! (Laughter)
ELIAS: (Grinning) Ah! Cheating! (Laughter)
HELEN: So is bisexual "other?"
ELIAS: Yes, at times. At times it is not "other," for an
individual may be experiencing one sexual orientation or another, and merely
CHOOSES to be engaging within sexual activity of more variety.
HELEN: Experimentation.
ELIAS: Experience!
NORM: Is this going to continue in the shift?
ELIAS: It be your choice!
NORM: No, I mean the three ... I'm curious again.
Why is there such a rule that you have to be male, female, or homosexual?
ELIAS: It is not a rule! It is a CHOICE. It is an
agreement that you have chosen, to be creating this particular one dimension
with this sexual orientation. Therefore, if choosing within essence
to be entering into the participation of this particular physical focus,
you also choose to be agreeing to the manifestation of three sexual orientations,
therefore allowing yourself the spectrum of experience of the sexual orientation
within this particular dimension.
NORM: Why? (Somebody starts to say something)
No, why?? I mean, it wouldn't HAVE to be!
ELIAS: (Intently) You hold countless -- underline -- countless
physical dimensions. Each of them hold guidelines. It matters
not that you choose to enter guidelines into this one dimension, for you
hold all other experiences within all other dimensions. This is what
you have created within this ONE dimension.
NORM: It seems like a constraint, and I don't like constraints!
ELIAS: You are not constrained, for you are experiencing every
other possible experience!
NORM: I want them all!
ELIAS: You have them! (Laughter)
RETA: Would be it outlandish to ask you, like for instance
in maybe another dimension, what they have chosen for, I guess, the equivalent
of re-population?
ELIAS: It holds no bearing to you within this physical focus.
RETA: I know that, but I was just curious about another
dimension.
ELIAS: (Grinning) If you hold curiosity you may investigate
and you may view yourself, although you may not understand and it shall
hold no meaning to you within this dimension!
VICKI: I have a question regarding something David was talking
about ... about if you consciously think to yourself that you want to have
sex with a woman, but your body feels a draw to have sex with a man, or
something like that. My question is, is that possible, that you would
subjectively direct your body consciousness to argue with you? Does
that make sense?
ELIAS: You subjectively instruct your body consciousness to be
conflicting with you continuously! If you were not, you would not
experience pain! This be no different. You are holding to energy.
You are not accepting of self and you are responding to your belief systems.
Therefore, you may be creating in this area of sexuality. It is no
different than your creation of a dis-ease. It is merely directed
specifically. The belief systems are specific, and are involved with
sexual belief systems. You shall not be creating of these types of
actions without holding sexual belief systems that are influencing.
You may create many dis-ease(s) and the belief systems involved may have
no thing involving sexuality, but you will not be creating of sexual dis-ease
or dysfunction without holding belief systems in the areas of sexuality
that are limiting of you.
HELEN: So you're saying, anyone that has any type of sexual disease
holds belief systems that are limiting of their sexual experience?
ELIAS: Correct, and they are also holding to fearfulness within
these belief systems.
DAVID: So would sexual experience be a good way of releasing many
of these geysers that we hold within ourselves?
ELIAS: This be another belief system that you hold! (Laughter)
You hold belief systems in regard to sexual activity as an "energy release."
VICKI: But if we believe it, it's true, right?
ELIAS: You are not releasing energy.
VICKI: But you could be releasing your own stress or confusion
or whatever.
ELIAS: Correct.
DAVID: So it's healthy, in that area! Better than going
to a doctor and getting a pill!
ELIAS: I express to you that in your belief systems of health,
your sexual activity within this dimension is quite healthy, and the denial
of such is quite limiting!
DAVID: I agree! (Laughter)
ELIAS: You also have created your sexual activity as pleasurable.
Therefore, it holds more of an attraction to you!
DAVID: It's also good for the imagination!
ELIAS: If you are allowing.
DAVID: For expanding the imagination?
ELIAS: If you are allowing. I shall express to you that
this activity also may be quite enlightening to you in what you view to
be your spirituality, for there are more elements involved with this activity
than you allow yourselves to experience. If you are opening within
your awareness and consciousness, you may also use this activity to manipulate
your awareness and to be a vehicle, so to speak, for experiencing other
elements of consciousness.
NORM: Ah! A method!
ELIAS: Ah! A method! (Grinning)
DAVID: As in taking you past the physical and allowing yourself
to go into other areas other than the physical? For example, I believe
I've gone there with another person sexually. I've gone past the
physical feeling of the sexual experience and experienced deeper and further.
Is that sort of similar to what you're saying?
ELIAS: In a manner of speaking.
NORM: The physiological reaction that occurs in the brain,
does that cause or is that because of this spiritual interaction?
For example, a hormone release then that occurs. I think that's what
I'm talking about, in that it releases energy and nervousness.
ELIAS: The physical does not create the spiritual. The physical
does not create the subjective. The subjective creates the response,
and is directing of the response within the body consciousness.
We shall break, and you may continue with your questioning.
BREAK 7:54 PM
RESUME 8:23 PM (Time was eight seconds)
Vic's note: The conversation during the break was fascinating
-- too bad we don't have it on tape! Here's one thing we do have
on tape:
MARY: Just make sure you don't ask any questions for me
'cause I'd rather not know! (Her last comment before resuming)
ELIAS: Continuing.
DENNIS: I have a general question. I've noticed that -- it's kind
of a two-part question -- that if all your focuses that you have ... you
experience let's say a little bit of everything within these focuses.
How come in this society now, there seems to be some cases that people
are not accepting of alternative lifestyles, so to speak? They're
not accepting of someone who is homosexual or transsexual or a transvestite,
to the point that they want to do violence against these people for the
simple reason that they don't agree with what they are. The second
part of that is, it seems to me now, because I have a teenager, that kids
his age and my daughter's age tend to be more accepting of alternative
lifestyles, and I was wondering if that's part of the shift that's happening?
ELIAS: Correct.
DENNIS: And then the other part basically is, why are people drawn so
much to violence against someone because of what their sexual orientation
is?
ELIAS: This would be the choice of the individual focus.
Although you are influenced and draw energy from all of your other focuses,
as I have stated previously, that energy is reformed to be beneficial to
you within this particular focus and redirects itself to be in alignment
with your individual intent.
There are some individuals, many individuals, that choose within their
focus to be unaccepting and intolerant within their experience. They
are indulging their belief systems. These individuals shall be those
that experience more trauma within the action of this shift, individuals
that hold so very tightly to their belief systems and create much intolerance,
for this is in direct contradiction to the action of this shift.
DAVID: What about somebody who is heterosexual, but in their dream
state has a homosexual dream experience?
ELIAS: This merely be imagery that an individual may offer to
themselves in subjective activity, in recognition that there is no incorrectness
within this action.
DAVID: So they don't necessarily have to wake up and think they
had a nightmare?!
ELIAS: Although they may, (laughter) as their belief systems begin
to be kicking in! (Grinning)
I have stated to you previously that within your dream state you are
allowing your subjective activity in imagery, and you relax your belief
systems within your subjective awareness. This is not to say that
you do not HOLD belief systems subjectively within this dimension, but
you allow a relaxation of these belief systems. Therefore, you may
engage in more activities within your dream state than you may allow yourself
within your objective waking state.
DAVID: So with regards fragmentation, supposing I met somebody
who was an aspect of Mylo and I was drawn to them sexually. That
is possible, to have like a sexual encounter with your own essence, so
to speak?
ELIAS: Essence incest! (Laughter)
DAVID: It happens, yeah?
ELIAS: Quite!
HELEN: Is sexual attraction to another person ... is that purely
a physical thing?
ELIAS: No. You attract yourself or you draw yourself to
another individual for many reasons. Your physical form does not
respond to ANYTHING without direction from your subjective awareness. Therefore,
there are many reasons that you may be what you term "physically attracted"
to another individual, but these attractions are also influenced by your
belief systems. You may view two individuals that may present themselves
in very much the same manner. One you shall attract yourself to and
the other you may not, for you hold belief systems that you do not even
recognize of what is acceptable to you.
HELEN: Physically?
ELIAS: Correct.
VICKI: So that would have to do with your belief systems about
other people's physical appearance and what you believe you're attracted
to?
ELIAS: Correct, and also your belief systems of what you shall
attract yourself to within personality type.
HELEN: Aren't we more compatible with certain personality types?
ELIAS: At times, but if you are not speaking of counterpart actions
and you are not engaging counterpart actions, your belief systems dictate
to you where you shall be attracted.
HELEN: Without belief systems, would we have sexual attraction
for everyone?
ELIAS: Not necessarily. You may not within opposite counterparts.
VICKI: Other than that?
ELIAS: Other than opposite counterpart action, you would not be
creating distinctions.
HELEN: What are counterparts? That's probably something
that I should look up and investigate myself. (Elias grins and nods)
Okay!
DAVID: So is there some kind of link between a son marrying a
woman that reminds him of and looks like his mother, in regards to sexual
attraction to their mother that they would never express in that link?
ELIAS: This would be belief systems also.
DAVID: Right, but what is the link between a man marrying a woman
because there's that attraction that reminds him subjectively of his mother,
sexually and physically?
ELIAS: For you hold belief systems that the role of the mother
is nurturing. Therefore, you may also at times attract yourself to
another individual that displays this resemblance.
VICKI: I'd like to ask a couple of questions about orgasms.
In my experience, I have had some orgasms that were a whole lot more intense
than your run-of-the-mill orgasm, so to speak, (laughter) and I'm curious
about that. Why is there a really great intensity within what appears
to me to be a minority of orgasms?
ELIAS: There may be different reasonings for this action.
At times, very many times, this may be a result of an imbalance within
your energy centers.
VICKI: The intensity?
ELIAS: Correct. If your energy centers are all rotating
and radiating within harmony to each other and you are within balance,
so to speak, the intensity of your experience shall be greater.
VICKI: Hmm. Well, I guess if that's the case, my energy
centers haven't been in balance most of MY life! (We all crack up)
HELEN: Mine either, Vicki! It's all right, honey. You're
not alone! (Thanks, Helen! It's great to not be alone!)
ELIAS: This is not the ONLY reason, but it IS a reason that is
most common, for as you are balancing of your energy centers you are also
allowing a free flow of energy throughout your physical form. Therefore,
you create more of an intensity within your physical responses, but you
may also hold different reasons. You may be choosing to engage an
action of sexual intercourse, but you are merely engaging the action and
not truly choosing to be engaging this action.
VICKI: In my experience, the times I have had some very intense
orgasms have been with people that I have a very great amount of feeling
for emotionally. I've never had that experience with just a casual
sexual encounter, say.
ELIAS: This is also an influence of belief systems. Your
belief systems are quite influencing of your performance, so to speak,
in sexual activities, and there are very many belief systems that may be
influencing of your action within this area or your limitations within
this area. (Pause)
HELEN: Why is it that men seem to achieve orgasm easier than women?
Is that a belief system, that we just believe that, or is it a physical
fact?
ELIAS: It is a combination of physical actions and belief systems;
more of belief systems, for this is influencing of the physical actions.
As you ARE sexually oriented and your entire physical dimension is based
upon sexual orientation and emotion, all that you do and all of your belief
systems are influencing of these areas. Therefore, they become quite
complex. There are many, many belief systems that may be influencing.
This may be with males AND females.
You hold a belief system that it is more difficult for females to be
achieving sexual orgasm. You do not hold the same appendages.
Therefore, within your belief systems, one is viewed as more pronounced.
It is not, but within your belief systems it is viewed in this manner,
therefore more easily accessible. It is also believed that the female
need be achieving an emotional state to be sexually excited. This
also is a belief system. It is unnecessary, but you believe this.
Therefore, you set into motion the creation of this and it is reinforced
by BOTH sexual orientations, male and female. You allow for males
the permission to engage within sexual activity without emotional attachments
or emotional preparation. Therefore, they allow themselves more freedom
within this action.
You have created many belief systems for centuries within religious
elements, viewing the female as sacred, therefore more in alignment with
self-denial. The males are the barbarians, the conquerors.
Therefore, they allow themselves and YOU allow them more freedom, for this
is in alignment with the mass belief systems. The females are fragile.
They are to be held in reverence. They are the mothers. Therefore,
they are not allowed this freedom. Your role is not to be experiencing
pleasure. Your role is to be procreating. This is a direct
dictate of your belief systems. (Humorously) And although within
this very advanced time framework that you are occupying presently you
hold such liberation, you continue to hold these belief systems underlyingly
and they continue to be influencing!
HELEN: Of your sexual experience?
ELIAS: Correct.
DAVID: Outside of physical focus, does essence continue to have
some kind of intimacy with another essence? Like for example, I know
it's not the same, but say yourself and Paul. There's a closeness
there.
ELIAS: In the manner of your thought processes within physical
focus, there is NO comparison.
DAVID: But there is some form of intimacy?
ELIAS: It is NOT the same. It is very far removed from any
thought process that you hold within physical focus.
DAVID: Would you say, in terms of how I think of it then, that
it is better?
ELIAS: It is different.
DAVID: But it exists?
ELIAS: NOT in the manner of your thought processes.
DAVID: But in some other manner?
ELIAS: NOT in the manner of your thought processes, no!
(Laughter) It would be quite distorting and inaccurate for me to
express this to you in ANY manner of your thought processes.
DAVID: I just want to make sure that if I don't get it in this
life, I want to make sure that I'm going to find it! (Laughter)
ELIAS: In the manner of your thought processes, you shall not
find it if you do not find it within this focus! (Grinning)
DAVID: (Laughing) Okay!
NORM: You say that the sexual orientations in this dimension
are mirrors of elements in the essence world. Would I be able to
extend that to the biological world, where there's every diversity that
you can imagine in regard to sexual orientation? For example, plants
can have both male and female parts, and they can be male at one time and
change to female at another, and so on and so forth. All of that
is elements of ... I mean, that great huge diversity would then be a mirroring
of, partially, what essence can experience?
ELIAS: Correct.
NORM: Interesting!
RETA: Have you ever noticed that a lot of people, in their
imagery to be attractive to another person, greatly find themselves in
that other person? If you sit and watch couples going by, for instance,
even their facial expressions can be a lot the same. I think we're
attracted to ourselves in a lot of instances of physical attraction, and
it may be the same way in a subjective way.
ELIAS: At times, but this would not be a rule. You build
quite elaborations around your sexual movements. You have even created
ritual within your creatures for the display of your sexuality.
DAVID: How about women who, especially today, are lining up to
get boob jobs? (Laughter) You know, breast implants?
For THEIR ears! I know it's a belief system, but I think they need
to hear that!
ELIAS: It IS a belief system that you need to be adorning yourselves
to be creating a more attractive "package," but throughout your history
you have indulged yourselves in adorning to be more pleasing to each other
visually. This be also part of your rituals, which you also mirror
within your creation of your creatures and THEIR rituals to each other
and their adornments that they display to each other for the same reason.
DAVID: So why are we attracted more so to beauty than someone
who you'd call a "plain jane," since the beginning of time?
ELIAS: For you DO attract yourself to beauty. You CREATE
beauty, within this dimension, all about you. You are quite enamored
with physical creations and their aesthetic value.
DAVID: But we put so much importance on that beauty, compared
to someone who isn't beautiful, so to speak.
ELIAS: Quite! It is part of your creation within this physical
dimension. Individuals may choose a particular focus to NOT be creating
physical beauty, or what you term to be deformities, for the experience
of not aligning with your officially accepted reality.
DAVID: Is sex aligned more with Zuli?
ELIAS: No.
NORM: In the shift, are we going to be able to improve our
sexual capabilities?
ELIAS: If you are so choosing! (Grinning)
NORM: I mean, for example, say that I want to be able to
produce a perfume that attracts more so than I do now! I could do
that, right?
ELIAS: If you are so choosing. It is merely dependent upon
the direction of your attention.
DAVID: Is there an odor that is attractive that we're not aware
of when somebody is feeling sexual, something that is emitted from our
bodies?
ELIAS: At times, but this also is dependent upon your creations
and your belief systems. Certain individuals, certain cultures DO
create physical emissions of odor that they believe to be attracting, and
this enters into THEIR rituals. But within certain other cultures,
such as your own, you do not create this situation, although you engage
in artificial odors. (Grinning)
DAVID: What we term to be a bit more prettier-smelling than natural
body odor.
ELIAS: Correct, but this is also an element of your belief systems.
Within the area of sexual rituals and activity, all of your senses are
engaged. Therefore, your sense of smell also is affected.
HELEN: Heightened?
ELIAS: Correct.
NORM: Using our nine senses that will become more aware,
we will be able to determine the correct activity to get the appropriate
response in the future better than we do today then, right? (Elias
pauses, eyes closed, and then exhibits a crooked smile, and we all crack
up)
ELIAS: "The correct response better than you do today."
Incorrect! For there is no "correct response!"
NORM: Well, to satisfy the desire for the correct ... for
the experience of the other one.
ELIAS: The individual shall have the experience that they create!
You are not creating their experience for them!
NORM: But there are some intersections, interactions?
ELIAS: There is intersection and there is interaction, but the
individual shall create the experience that they choose to be creating.
NORM: I will not be able to use those senses as a tool,
then?
ELIAS: You may use your senses NOW as a tool to be more intuitively
aware of another individual, but this shall not be creating of THEIR experience!
They shall create their own experience!
(Humorously) Although it may be beneficial for you to engage your
senses -- your inner senses -- and your intuition NOW, for if your partner
is not in agreement with you and is not in compliance with you, you shall
know and disengage your activity! (Grinning)
DAVID: Without belief systems in the sexual area, would we then
naturally respond to our sexual responses the same way that animals do
to each other?
ELIAS: Yes.
DENNIS: What about the individual that is attracted ... because when
you think about sexuality in terms of being intimate with someone, sharing
private personal moments or whatever with someone, what about the person
that has a sexual fetish? They can only be attracted sexually to
a woman's feet, or their elbow. (Laughter) Is that also a belief
system? Because some people can't function sexually without going
to the toes, so to speak. I'm curious about that.
ELIAS: This would also be a choice for experience, moving outside
of the officially accepted reality and moving outside of the officially
accepted mass belief systems. (Pause)
VICKI: I have a question if no one else does. It seems like, in
this society anyway, we create more conflict around this concept of sex
than we do almost anything else. Our whole lives, we create conflict
around sex. So my question is, if this is one of the reasons we choose
this experience is for this sexual experience, why do we create so much
conflict over why we came here in the first place?
ELIAS: For you have developed many belief systems in this area
also.
VICKI: Well, it gets confusing to me. To go back to this
concept of pleasure, and if you indulge yourself in pleasure you're creating
less of a thickness ...
ELIAS: Correct.
VICKI: ... and fulfilling your value more effortlessly ...
ELIAS: Correct.
VICKI: ... it seems like we would naturally gravitate towards
that within why we chose this physical dimension.
ELIAS: You DO naturally gravitate towards these elements, but
you also have created separation, and in this you have developed more and
more belief systems.
VICKI: I kind of understand the affectingness of the belief systems,
but to take another physical pleasure for an example, eating is a very
pleasurable experience in this focus too. It's not how we've created
this focus, to come here mostly to eat, not in the manner that you say
that part of the reason we choose this is for a sexual experience, but
we don't create near the conflict around eating or other physical pleasures
as we do around the sexual experience.
ELIAS: Ah, but you do! (Other people murmur agreement)
VICKI: Well, maybe I just don't see it that way.
ELIAS: Within YOUR belief systems you do not create as much conflict
or you do not view as much conflict, but within mass you DO create much
conflict in many other areas.
VICKI: So this would just be a perception on my part, is what
you're saying, that we create more conflict around this concept of sex
than we do anything?
ELIAS: Correct. You create more conflict around the concept
of pleasure in all of its forms than you do with any other element, and
this is reinforcing of your issues of duplicity and the nobleness of the
denial of the flesh.
VICKI: Okay, I just have one other quick question about this concept
of pleasure, from the last time we all talked about it. We were talking
about it in terms of altering one's consciousness with alcohol and/or drug
use. It's confusing to me that if you take these substances and it's
pleasurable to you, you're creating less of a thickness for yourself.
At the same time, these particular types of substances create a thickness
in your reality, and I don't really understand that part of it.
ELIAS: They create a thickness, for you hold belief systems and
you allow yourselves to be influenced by the belief systems. If you
are not allowing yourself to be influenced by the belief systems, then
they do not create a thickness; but you ARE very influenced by your belief
systems, and you are influenced by the belief systems of the masses, by
other individuals. This creates a conflict within the individual.
They are conflicting within themselves, for they are struggling within
the battling of two opposing belief systems. THIS creates a thickness.
The action itself does not IF you are accepting that pleasure is acceptable
and that pleasure creates less of a thickness within accomplishing your
value fulfillment, and IF you are accepting that no substance shall be
hurtful to you. It is merely a belief system.
VICKI: So does that mean that if I take substances and I have
accepted the belief system that they create a thickness and so they don't
create a thickness for me any more, do I still experience the physical
effects of that substance?
ELIAS: If you are choosing, yes.
VICKI: But it will not create a thickness in my reality in the
terms that you're talking about?
ELIAS: Correct. The thickness occurs with the action of the
opposing belief systems; the battling within the individual.
This may occur also as you are moving in the direction of subjective movement
into an acceptance of certain belief systems and actions and practices.
Objectively, you may be creating of conflict temporarily, for you are engaging
a battle between the mass belief systems and the movement that you are
engaging to be accepting of a belief system.
VICKI: So with all of the religious belief systems that we hold
regarding sex, quite often would we then, when we engage sex, be creating
this same thickness, this same battling?
ELIAS: At times. This be why you create so many difficulties
in this area. As I have stated, there are very many reasons why you
create dis-ease/dysfunction within the area of your sexual activity, all
of which are very influenced by your belief systems.
VICKI: Okay, thank you.
Vic's note: Now, what I get from this is that the reason we create
so much conflict around sex is mostly because of religious beliefs.
Why didn't he just answer my question initially? is my question!
NORM: May I ask a question that's a little off the subject?
New Year's Eve, starting at four o'clock and going until ten o'clock, and
then again starting at ten and going to four o'clock in the morning, there
was six hours of video exposition in regard to all the predictions that
are to happen around the year 2000, from Nostradamus to the Bible to many,
many current people that are having these experiences. And in that
six hours -- Reta and I both watched all six hours of it because it was
fascinating, and of course I'm sure it was fascinating to a lot of people
and will probably enhance the likelihood of all the disasters occurring
-- it only mentioned three times that some have said that this is only
a possibility, that we have the choice of not making it happen. That
seems to be of course not promoted, and it's not good producing to say
those types of things. But my concern is that when that happens ...
and you were commenting before and I believe I have the right idea, that
in our sleep we are experiencing information or gaining information in
regard to that this is only a possibility and it's our choice. Am
I saying this right?
ELIAS: It is your choice. It is a matter of probabilities.
NORM: Are we gaining access to this information in our sleep?
ELIAS: You do.
NORM: Is this part of the reason why the nine babies were
born, that they would be able to more directly interact with us, all of
the people here on this earth today?
ELIAS: Their function is to be helpful within the action of this
shift.
NORM: What does helpful mean in this regard?
ELIAS: In lessening the amount of trauma to be experienced within
this shifting consciousness.
NORM: Does trauma include the end of four or five billion
people?
ELIAS: It may.
RETA: I think one of the points was that there was ... everybody
has fully described terrible things that are going to happen, but there's
only one or two places you can find described what we would like to lend
energy to. So when millions of people are seeing this over and over
and over and reading it over and over, non-religious or religious, saying
all these disasters are going to come, all that energy is going there and
I would like to see ... I know that that's one of the reasons you're here,
but it seems to me that there ought to be a way to get more information
out there on the other possibility, so that all this energy wouldn't be
lent to disaster.
ELIAS: This be the point!
RETA: Yeah, I know it's the point, but HOW are we going
to do that?
NORM: For example, maybe unconsciously we are aware of the
fact that there's going to be great natural disasters, and that's the reason
why the popularity of four-wheel drives is skyrocketing. Would that
be a true statement?
ELIAS: No.
NORM: There's other reasons for the popularity then of four-wheel
drives?
ELIAS: Correct.
NORM: What would those be? Convenience....
ELIAS: This is an inconsequential question! It matters not
within the action of your shift. I shall offer you an answer, but
I wish this to be noted: that this type of questioning is inconsequential
and is not beneficial to information of yourselves or of your shift.
But the reason that you view a surge or an upsurge of interest in larger
vehicles that you travel about within is that individual s within this
present now are beginning to FEEL within them more powerful, and express
outwardly a mirror action of this. They indulge themselves in faster
and stronger and more powerful machines, for their reality is moving in
their perception faster, and they are becoming in their perception, in
their belief systems, stronger within the individuality.
Margot's note: Good answer! And Norm, folks need their
four-wheel drives to get out of the damn snow!!
NORM: Thank you.
ELIAS: You are very welcome.
DON: Back to sex! I'm assuming that any interaction
between individuals has a spiritual or an essential aspect. Is that
fair?
ELIAS: Correct.
DON: Is it also fair to say that the more intimate
that contact, the more closely we're connecting, essentially?
ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.
DON: To me, it seems that sexual contact, sexual intimacy,
can bring us closer essentially than almost any other experience we can
have on earth.
ELIAS: If allowed.
DON: It has potential to bring us closer to our central
selves.
ELIAS: Correct.
DON: That's fascinating!
ELIAS: It does hold the potential, if allowed.
DON: Thank you.
ELIAS: You are welcome.
HELEN: It's very rare that it's allowed. Would you say that?
ELIAS: Not necessarily. Within YOUR society you limit yourselves
to a degree, more so than other societies, but within the whole of your
planet in this dimension, it is not necessarily rare.
DON: Is it possible that this huge power of the sexual
experience is part of the reason we've built up all these taboos about
it? Do we fear it? Do we feel that we're close to something,
and build up fears and taboos?
ELIAS: Absolutely. (Don says something inaudible here)
Absolutely. It is creating of much fearfulness, for it is an expression
unbounded of yourself within physical focus which holds MUCH powerfulness.
DON: So maybe that's the reason that humans and animals
have such a different reaction to sex? Because animals don't feel
that power that we feel. For them, there's no aspect to sex other
than the physical aspect.
ELIAS: Not necessarily. Your creatures also do not hold
belief systems. Therefore, they do not place judgments upon their
sexual activity. But look to your creatures. They display tremendous
ritual, and they also are accepting of their sexual actions. They
place no belief systems and judgments upon them. They accept them
for what they are. They do not hold quite the same action as do you,
for they are not responding within their sexual orientation to elements
of essence as are you, but they hold less difficulties and conflicts than
do you, for they do not hold the belief systems. They also hold intimacy.
DON: Are a lot of our belief systems built on fears
that we will experience coming too close to something that's essentially
true?
ELIAS: Correct.
DON: And animals can't experience that, so they couldn't
develop belief systems.
ELIAS: They have not been created in this manner. Your creatures
are not essence. Therefore, they have not been created in a manner
that you endow them with all of your belief systems. This is not
necessarily limiting of them. In many aspects, they experience more
freedom than you allow yourselves.
DON: There's not much correlation. You look
at dolphins and other very intelligent animals, and there's really not
much evidence that they develop any of the belief systems that we have.
ELIAS: No.
DON: So I guess my question is -- what I'm trying
to get to is -- is there a direct correlation between the fact that we
are central creatures and that we do develop belief systems? Are
the two related? I mean, are we fighting ourselves in that way?
ELIAS: Yes, you are conflicting yourselves, but you are conflicting
yourselves within your belief systems. You are limiting yourselves
within your belief systems. You are no closer to consciousness than
a dolphin. A creature merely holds no fearfulness of consciousness,
for it has not separated itself as far from consciousness. There
is an allowance of more subjective activity within creatures, for they
do not block their subjective interaction. You hold fearfulness of
what you term to be unknown; that which you have separated from, that which
you do not remember.
DON: Is it because we do remember it on some level
that we're fearful of it?
ELIAS: No. It is that you have forgotten, and THIS creates
the fearfulness; but as you move into a remembrance, the fearfulness dissipates.
HELEN: In other words, our belief systems are what keep us at
a distance from our essence, so we can have purity of experience ...
ELIAS: Correct.
HELEN: ... in physical focus, and that's why they were developed
in the first place?
ELIAS: Correct; but it is becoming unnecessary for this separation.
Therefore, you create this shift in consciousness to be exploring new aspects
of your reality, incorporating more of your remembrance and of essence.
HELEN: And less belief systems.
ELIAS: Less separation.
HELEN: Less separation. But belief systems create the separation.
ELIAS: In accepting the belief systems, you create less separation.
(Here, there is a slight pause for a tape change)
NORM: Is it open for new subjects in the future? I
would certainly be interested in having you discuss duplicity, and the
duplicity of duplicity! It sort of gets entangled there. I
would appreciate at least one session on that.
ELIAS: So entered.
NORM: Thank you.
ELIAS: I have allowed for the interests of the individuals within
this forum, and have inquired of you all those subject matters that you
are choosing to be gathering information upon.
NORM: I would certainly like another one. Can I enter
another one?
ELIAS: If you are so choosing.
NORM: I'm sure that this would ... I'd love to have one
or maybe two or three sessions on the totality of consciousness.
It would be most fascinating.
ELIAS: Very well. Are you wishing more questions for this
evening? (Pause) Very well. I shall be disengaging and
I shall leave you all to be sexually encountering yourselves and each other
in playfulness and pleasure ... and not thickness of belief systems!
(Laughter) And I shall be engaging you soon. To you all this
evening, I bid you much affection, and adieu!
Elias departs at 9:22 PM.
FOOTNOTES:
(1) A few weeks before this session, Drew suggested
that we make the game more fun by playing for pennies. So, we decided
that beginning in January, we would toss a penny into a bowl for each game
question asked. Whoever has the most points at the end of the year
wins the pot -- all five or six bucks of it!
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Copyright 1998 Mary Ennis, All Rights Reserved.