What Happens After Transition?
Topics:
“What Happens After Transition?”
“Playing the Dead Mouse Game”
Wednesday, April 12, 2000
© 2000 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Vivien (Miriam).
Elias arrives at 11:40 AM. (Arrival time is 23 seconds)
ELIAS: Good morning!
VIVIEN: Good morning, Elias! My, it’s nice to speak with
you again!
ELIAS: Ha ha! And you also!
VIVIEN: Well, today I’ve got quite a few things. I’d like
to start off, though, with my orientation. I think I’m common.
Am I correct?
ELIAS: Yes.
VIVIEN: And I think my husband is also common.
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.
VIVIEN: And my son James, I believe, also is common.
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.
VIVIEN: Okay. My mother, I believe, is soft. (Pause)
ELIAS: Yes.
VIVIEN: Oh, I got it! Great! Thanks very much. (Elias
laughs)
I wasn’t sure about my mother. There was something about her,
that because she’s so reclusive in her ways, I was wondering if she was
intermediate, but no. Soft, okay. Thank you.
Another question: one of my focuses, my holocaust focus, Ruby, I just
wanted to check; I don’t think I’ve checked this with you before, but her
family name, I believe, is Grabowski.
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct, and I shall interject that you have
presented this to myself previously, although not within what you term
to be conventional terms! Ha ha ha ha!
VIVIEN: Yes, I have asked you, when I have my little chats with
you in my head, and I thought I heard you with the affirmative. I
doubt myself still sometimes, but I’m getting better at it! (Elias laughs)
I’m getting better at listening to and hearing you, and hearing other
things too! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles) Opening up to a whole
new world!
Okay, another focus. I’ve got a few focus questions, and some
other connections.
One evening I heard a group of Irishmen talking — in my head, as usual
— and I had an image of a man, a rather portly, amiable-looking man sitting
in a pub having a pint of beer. I think he’s a farmer, and I think
he’s a focus of mine by the name of either Patrick Flanagan or O’Flaherty.
(Pause)
ELIAS: You are correct, although alter physical naming to O’Flatley.
VIVIEN: O’Flatley — I was pretty close, though! Great.
Thank you. I believe his wife at that time was named Elizabeth.
ELIAS: (Chuckling) Mary Elizabeth.
VIVIEN: Mary Elizabeth, okay. Is he a contemporary focus?
I feel like he’s sort of around now.
ELIAS: I shall express to you, the reason that you hold this sense
within you is that this is an overlapping focus, so to speak; not quite
within the duration of the same time framework as yourself, for this individual
has created a focus prior to the time framework of your focus, but....
VIVIEN: Okay, did he die in 1956?
ELIAS: Yes.
VIVIEN: (Laughing) Oh, that’s great! And he lived
near Northern Ireland, not actuality in Northern Ireland, but close to
Northern Ireland.
ELIAS: Yes.
VIVIEN: Oh, very good. I’ll find out some more about him.
He’s such an amiable sort of person, very sort of a gentle kind of soul,
not a very ... well, to me, it doesn’t seem like a very interesting life,
but a contented kind of life. (Elias laughs) Is that correct?
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.
VIVIEN: Okay, thank you. He was a farmer, right?
ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.
VIVIEN: Okay. Another focus I’ve connected with, and I’ve
actually already checked with the entity who is known as C9, and she and
I were sisters in China, and as those sisters, we looked after a jade collection,
and I want to check a couple of other details about that life with you.
I believe the man who was the head of the household, I think his name was
something like Master Wu. (Pause)
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.
VIVIEN: And was that one of the focuses of my father-in-law?
ELIAS: No.
VIVIEN: Okay. There was an older woman in this one, and
I see her as if I’m kneeling on the floor, and she’s shouting at me or
yelling at me. She’s an older woman, maybe 70 years old, thin.
I think this might be why I have a feeling of not liking my present stepmother-in-law.
I think it may be something to do with that relationship. Was she
that woman?
ELIAS: Yes.
VIVIEN: Okay. She seems to be like a ... I don’t know whether
she was Master Wu’s wife, or was she a housekeeper?
ELIAS: Concubine.
VIVIEN: Okay, concubine. (Laughing) Alright. I’ll
work some more on that on my own. Thank you.
Another one, and I’d love to get into a long story about this woman
Pam. For everybody reading this, she’s the owner of the house that
we just bought, or the previous owner, I should say. There were a
lot of problems involved with her with the buying of this house, but while
we were going through all the turmoil, I found that I wasn’t angry with
her like I felt that I probably normally would have been. I had the
image of her as an older Chinese woman sitting cross-legged on the floor,
and I heard within myself, “beloved sister.” I think maybe we have
been beloved sisters in China at some time.
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct. This may serve as an interesting
example in relation to the subject matter of perception, for in this, you
have offered yourself an opportunity, in the action of allowing yourself
to widen your awareness, to engage the action of becoming more familiar
with yourself and all of the aspects of you. In this action, you
also draw to yourself many different types of experiences to be presenting
objectively to yourself recognitions of how your perception may be altered
through the action of familiarizing yourself with you.
In this, many individuals, as influenced by mass belief systems, look
outside of self to be gaining information, with the assumption that as
they offer information to themselves from outside of [them]selves, they
shall be allowing themselves to learn, and therefore equip themselves in
a better manner to be interactive with their reality.
Now; be understanding, this is the expression of the mass belief systems.
In actuality, what you are allowing yourself to be moving into is what
I have been expressing to all of you for much time framework, in turning
your attention to self and becoming familiar with you and all of the aspects
of you and your own beliefs that you align with, and therefore becoming
familiar with your individual perception and what influences that perception.
In this situation with this individual, as you have allowed yourself
an openness to self and allow yourself to be objectively connecting to
information concerning self, you override certain aspects of beliefs that
you might otherwise be expressing behaviors in alignment with. Therefore,
you also allow yourself the opportunity to view the flexibility of perception,
even in situations, circumstances, and interactions in which you may view
that your perception is set, so to speak, in a particular direction.
For this is the emphasis of the reality that there are no absolutes,
that any element that you create within your reality is not set in stone,
and that all of your reality is quite changeable, and your perception is
the most affecting element that is altering of your reality; not elements
outside of yourself, but within yourself, within your own creation of your
reality, how you view and interpret your world, your beliefs, yourself,
other individuals — THIS is the construct of your reality.
Were you not to be allowing yourself this openness and this availability
of familiarity with yourself, you may have created an entirely different
type of reality concerning your interaction with this individual.
VIVIEN: Yes, I’m sure I would have. I’m just going to change
phones Elias; one second.
ELIAS: Very well.
VIVIEN: Are you still there?
ELIAS: Yes.
VIVIEN: Are you there?
ELIAS: Yes.
VIVIEN: Okay, great.
Yeah, I can see that easily, because at the time I was interested by
my own reactions and responses to her, so I knew this was an exercise of
a different kind. But thank you very much. You’ve made it really
easy for me to understand what was going on there, and some other things
that have been going on too.
I have some more questions about Pam, but I’ll get back to those afterwards.
I’d like to finish now with going through the rest of the focuses that
I’ve connected with.
ELIAS: Very well.
VIVIEN: Okay. I saw the image just the other day of an extremely
beautiful woman. She had pale skin but very large dark eyes, wavy
hair, dark wavy hair piled very high in the sort of way that the Edwardians
used to in England, but I’ve got a feeling that she might be possibly Greek,
and the name I connected with was something like Gazelle or Gazavina, something
like that. I’m not sure if she is me or a focus of someone else.
(12-second pause)
ELIAS: This individual that you have allowed yourself to view
in actuality is not a focus of you. This individual, and what you
have viewed temporarily with this individual ...
VIVIEN: Yes, it didn’t last very long, but she was very clear.
ELIAS: ... is in actuality another focus of the essence of Lawrence.
VIVIEN: Ah! Okay.
ELIAS: Lawrence also, I may interject, has momentarily allowed
himself to view this particular focus quite briefly.
VIVIEN: Ah, interesting. Was there any particular reason
why I viewed her?
ELIAS: What you are creating is an allowance in openness, in movement
with this shift in consciousness.
Now; let me briefly explain to you that as you are inserting this shift
in consciousness into your objective reality now, you also allow yourselves
the beginnings objectively in viewing more than merely yourselves individually,
recognizing that one of the actions of this shift in consciousness is to
be dropping the veils of separation and recognizing the interconnectedness
with all of the essences that participate in this physical dimension.
In this, as you continue to move with the energy of this shift in consciousness,
not in resistance to it, and as you continue to be widening your awareness,
you create, in a manner of speaking, an addition in your movement to the
familiarizing of yourself with merely yourself, but you also incorporate
other actions and allow yourself the beginnings of movement in viewing
other aspects of your reality.
Now; the reason that you choose to be incorporating this type of action
is one, you experience a comfort and a trust in your ability to be viewing
other focuses, and also, you choose this action in relation to this individual,
for this provides you with an underlying sense of comfort and safety, for
it already holds objectively an element of familiarity.
VIVIEN: Yes, I understand. How did I do on the name?
ELIAS: Second interpretation of name, correct.
VIVIEN: Oh, Gazavina. Thank you very much.
Okay, another focus. Sometimes when I’m walking, not really thinking
or doing anything in particular, I feel as though I’m nearly seven feet
tall, and at times I have connected, I think, to a very tall, elegant,
black tribesman with long braided hair ... I think belonging to a tribe
called Watutsi, a very tall tribe of people.
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.
VIVIEN: Thank you. There also seems to be a female involved
in this as well. Am I also a female in that tribe?
ELIAS: No. You interact in relationship with this other
individual.
VIVIEN: Alright, thank you. Okay, I’m very attracted to
Tibet, and I see quite often ... he looks like more of a Mongolian warrior
on horseback, not a very tall man, quite a small man, but he has a costume
like a warrior’s costume of sorts, a very vital kind of man, very full
of passion and life, and he seems to be a very forceful, strong individual.
I think this may be a focus of mine. I haven’t got a name or anything.
(Pause)
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.
VIVIEN: He’s charging about on his horse like crazy, having a
wonderful life!
ELIAS: (Laughing) Incorporating more of what you identify
in excitement than your Irish pub-dweller!
VIVIEN: (Laughing) A whole different game! (Elias laughs)
A very different life, yes.
Okay, another question. One time, quite a few years ago now, I
found myself at night ... I was walking around a lake. I started
humming, just la-la-la-ing, and all of a sudden, it started to sound like
an Oriental language, and I was making these sounds and really feeling
quite wonderful while I was doing this. I didn’t know what it was
at the time, but I’m wondering, was I connecting to the Sumafi language
in some way?
ELIAS: What you have allowed yourself is the incorporation of
two different elements simultaneously, one which is related to this physical
dimension and your participation in several focuses within eastern cultures.
This is the translation of language.
You also have allowed yourself simultaneously to be incorporating some
tonal qualities of the Sumafi family, and you have incorporated the two
together.
VIVIEN: Yeah, making a hybrid of it. (Elias laughs) Okay,
it was a language then. It was quite fun to do, I remember that!
Thank you.
ELIAS: You are quite welcome.
VIVIEN: I think I have another focus, and I don’t know who she
is quite yet, but I think she’s an opera singer, or a singer on the stage
of some kind — very loud voice, very pure note.
ELIAS: You are correct, although not what you may term to be an
established opera singer, but an individual that participates in cabarets,
and incorporates a tonal quality of voice that could be incorporated into
opera.
VIVIEN: Yes, she has that range. Thank you.
ELIAS: You are welcome.
VIVIEN: Okay, that’s about all my focuses for the time being.
I have to ask a question now about a focus I’ve connected with the essence
of Laya. I believe it was Michelangelo, the artist.
ELIAS: For yourself or this individual?
VIVIEN: Not for myself, for the individual, for the essence of
Laya.
ELIAS: I am understanding. Not that actual focus, although
she does participate in that time framework and interact with that individual.
VIVIEN: Yes. Her art now reminds me of the strength that
Michelangelo put into his artwork.
ELIAS: Quite understandable, for in the interaction which is shared
with these individuals, there is an offering of instruction.
VIVIEN: Ah, so she was a student of Michelangelo.
ELIAS: Yes.
VIVIEN: Okay, that makes a lot of sense. That’s where she’s
getting that from. Yeah, I can see that very clearly. And I
think I was an artist at that time as well, but not well-known at all;
in fact, not known at all as an artist.
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.
VIVIEN: I don’t know who I studied under. I don’t know whether
it was Michelangelo, but I am very affected by his work. I haven’t
really gotten into that focus, but I would like you to help me with that.
ELIAS: I shall express to you, it is not an identification that
you are realizing in the role of student to that particular individual,
but the individual that is a focus of you within that time framework holds
admiration for this particular artiste, and studies with a companion or
colleague, so to speak, in the naming of Raphael.
VIVIEN: Oh, Raphael. Okay, I know who that is. Thank
you very much. I’ll work on that myself some more.
ELIAS: You are quite welcome.
VIVIEN: Now I’d like to connect a focus of yours during the time
of first century Judea and the time when I had a focus of Miriam ... and
Jesus and everyone. I seem to keep coming back to Nicodemus for you
in some way, or attached to the church in some way with Nicodemus.
ELIAS: I do not hold a focus as this individual, although you
are correct in the religious association in priesthood.
VIVIEN: Oh, okay. So that’s where I’m getting that from.
Okay, thank you.
A question — my niece Helena, you gave her essence name as Seth, and
I’m wondering if it’s the same entity of Seth that spoke through Jane Roberts.
ELIAS: No.
VIVIEN: Okay, I didn’t think it was.
Alright, another question that a lot of us have been talking about.
When we connect with our focuses, when we go back to view them again, they
are often in the same setting and doing the same things as when we first
connected with them. Is this to offer ourselves familiarity and comfortableness?
ELIAS: Yes.
VIVIEN: Okay. I guessed it was something like that.
Next, my eyesight. I’ve spoken to
you about this before. Initially, it was to do with my personal responsibility
issues as a mother with my son James. I don’t think it has anything
to do with that anymore. I think I’m kind of getting better with
my issues of responsibility regarding him. I’m not over it completely,
but I think my eyesight ... it doesn’t seem to be improving very much,
but I think I’ve moved into another belief about it, and I’m wondering,
is it tied into not wanting to see trust belief systems, something with
that?
ELIAS: Partially, and this also, in your vernacular, continues
to tie into the issue of personal responsibility.
VIVIEN: (Laughing) Okay.
ELIAS: It is, in a manner of speaking, in your terms, an expansion
of your viewing of it. You are allowing yourself to be examining
this issue and identifying what are the contributant factors to this particular
issue.
VIVIEN: Ah, so is it one of those “it’s going to get worse before
it gets better” kind of things I’m doing?
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
VIVIEN: You know that saying? (Laughing)
ELIAS: Ah, yes! Ha ha ha ha! And this would be the
expression of a mass belief system, would it not?
VIVIEN: Very much so! I think we’re all in that one! (Elias
laughs)
Okay, now I’ve got quick questions for a couple friends. I have
a friend that I haven’t met objectively. He’s in prison, and I think
he’d like to know if he’s going to be creating parole for himself soon,
and whether he’s going to improve his health.
ELIAS: Ah! We move once again into crystal ball questions!
VIVIEN: Well, I’m talking about his movement within probabilities.
I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to ask a crystal ball question.
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha!
VIVIEN: I meant in the terms of how he’s creating his probabilities
right now.
ELIAS: Within this present now, both creations continue.
VIVIEN: Okay, good. So he’s in movement, at least.
ELIAS: Understand what I am expressing to you. First of
all, you are all continuously moving.
In this — as to shall the individual create parole — within this present
creation of probabilities in this now, he continues to create the situation
to remain in the space arrangement that he has already created. He
is perpetuating that creation.
As to the physical manifestations, he is creating a perpetuation of
this also.
Now; I shall express to you quite briefly, the individual is creating
both of these movements quite purposefully, and also partially objectively
intentionally.
In this, I shall not expound upon all of this situation and these creations
presently. You may offer an invitation to this individual, if you
are so choosing, that I may be interactive objectively with this individual,
if they also are choosing, and in that, I shall offer more information.
VIVIEN: Very well. Thank you very much.
I have another quick question, for George. He has a Roman focus,
and he got the name Marcus Affilius. He’d like to know if he’s correct
in that.
ELIAS: First name, correct. Second name, no, and he may
continue his investigation.
VIVIEN: Okay, I’ll tell him! (Laughing)
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha!
VIVIEN: Alright, can I get back to Pam,
my beloved Chinese sister?
ELIAS: You may.
VIVIEN: She has created a lot of drama and trauma in her life
in the past few years, and particularly recently. She’s had imprisonment,
drugs, alcohol, a whole bunch of things — relationship problems — but now
she’s in the hospital. They’ve taken her out of the prison, and she’s
in the hospital, and she’s created cancer.
I think she would like to understand how she’s gotten herself into this
situation, if there is anything you can offer to her that might help her
understand. I think the doctors have told her that she has maybe
a month, maybe a year to live.
ELIAS: This particular creation singularly of this dis-ease has
been created as a choice in what this individual identifies and assesses
as a reasonable action for disengagement.
VIVIEN: Okay. I had a feeling that she had chosen to disengage.
ELIAS: This is an expression that has been chosen as the individual
views other individuals shall be accepting of that creation, and within
self, she has created this type of physical dis-ease and method of disengagement
as an outward expression of how she views herself in disdain, and therefore
is deserving of painfulness in more of an excessive manner than has already
been created.
VIVIEN: Yes, she’s had a really ... for me, to live that kind
of life would be awful, and I think for her it’s been awful too.
ELIAS: Let me express to you, although I do not identify your
creations in these types of terms, I hold the awareness that you all within
your dimension, and associating with your belief systems, DO identify judgments
and assessments of certain types of creations within your reality as expressions
of misery.
And in this, I shall also express to you — quite in relation to your
dead mouse game that you are all so very fond of playing — many times within
your physical dimension, with many, many individuals, there is an allowance
and choice of certain creations within the individual realities that creates
an expression of what you all identify as misery.
And in these creations, in relation to this dead mouse action and as
influenced by your beliefs and the interaction of duplicity, as you begin
creating these effects of misery, you also compound and perpetuate these
expressions and creations of misery, so to speak, with MORE misery, in
the expression that the misery you have created initially is bad and wrong,
and therefore you need be creating more misery, for you assess that you
are deserving of more misery ...
VIVIEN: Yes, we punish ourselves.
ELIAS: ... in the expression of punishment for the initial creation
of misery.
VIVIEN: Yes, the sinful self kind of thing.
ELIAS: Quite.
VIVIEN: Yes, I understand. Thank you very much.
Okay, a question about moving. You told me once before that I
move objectively quite a lot — as many of us have been doing recently —
as objective imagery of my inner movement. Well, since 1998 I’ve
moved three times, all in the same area. Is this still subjective
imagery about moving myself? Because it’s a real nuisance as well!
ELIAS: (Laughing) Partially, yes. You are continuing
to be offering yourself an objective mirror image of the movement that
you have been creating inwardly.
Now; I shall also express to you, in your very common vernacular, an
offering of the light in the tunnel! Ha ha ha! For you have
quite purposefully created this physical movement in this mirror action
as an objective validation to yourself.
VIVIEN: Oh boy! (Laughing)
ELIAS: But let me also express to you that within your movement
in these previous years and subsequently to this present now, you have
offered yourself repeatedly evidences of your movement inwardly, which
you are beginning to trust and accept now.
VIVIEN: Yes, I think I am now.
ELIAS: And therefore, you are not requiring as much objective
validation in extreme as you have previously.
VIVIEN: So, I don’t go from one side of the country to the other
— I just go five minutes away now! (Laughing)
ELIAS: And you may view that you may continue in this type of
action temporarily futurely also, but you are already creating probabilities
now, that you shall be discontinuing this type of action.
VIVIEN: Yes, I have the feeling that it’s going to be ONE more
move. (Elias laughs) Just one, and I keep seeing this place.
It’s by the water, which is what I want. I’m not sure if it’s California
or an island country, somewhere like the Mediterranean. But I’m leaning
more, now that I’m thinking about it, that it’s possibly more in the Mediterranean
or the Caribbean.
ELIAS: And I shall express to you that you shall create, in agreement
with your partner, the most beneficial movement to you.
VIVIEN: We will. There’s other things to take into consideration,
but I see the place. This house that I’ve constructed in my head,
I feel pretty confident about that. It’s getting more real every
day.
ELIAS: And this is the manner in which you create your reality!
VIVIEN: Yeah! I’ve been giving that concept lip service
up until now, but I’m really beginning to understand it! (Elias chuckles)
It’s pretty neat — it really is!
I guess I’d like to finish up with asking you a question about our
awareness after death. I’m not quite sure how to phrase this.
The awareness that you have now ... all your focuses have now disengaged,
and you have an awareness of all of them. What I’m wondering is,
when we designate the final focus and everybody else disengages with us,
when I have gone through my transition and everybody else has too, when
we do that, do we come to the place or the awareness where you are now?
Is that a clear question?
ELIAS: Yes, I am understanding what you are expressing.
First of all, let me express to you, this is a matter of choice.
As you disengage physical focus, and subsequent to your movement through
nonphysical actions of transition and the movement into other actions within
consciousness, it is the choice of you [as to] which types of explorations
you wish to be engaging within.
For I may express to you, you may be moving through the action of transition,
and in your physical terms, subsequent to that action, you may choose to
be non-physically interactive, but you may also choose to be incorporating
some action that may be associated with any particular physical dimension.
In this, it is dependent upon your focus of attention. I have
focused this attention in this particular area of consciousness.
In like manner, figuratively speaking, to yourself — as you manifest
in your particular physical dimension and in that particular physical focus
of attention which you identify as you — I also hold a direction of attention,
which is that which interacts with you.
I hold an awareness of many other directions of attention of essence,
or of what you may term to be myself, and am interactive with them in a
manner that you do not allow yourselves within your physical dimension,
for you have created veils of separation in physicality, or your corporeal
expressions.
In this, each attention holds its own directedness.
I am understanding of what you are inquiring of — in the realization
of other focuses of attention of the essence, and the recognition and the
knowing continuously, and the interactive participation with many other
attentions.
VIVIEN: Yes, I think that’s more what I’m getting at.
ELIAS: In this, once again I shall express to you, it is dependent
upon which direction you choose in your exploration. Let me offer
you an example simply.
As we have spoken previously, there are some essences that subsequent
to transition may be choosing a direction of focusing attention in Regional
Area 3, and in this, their attention is directed to interaction with individuals
that are participating within physical dimensions. Let us narrow
this scenario even further by expressing that one essence may focus its
attention in interaction with individuals in YOUR physical dimension.
In this, the essence is not choosing to be participatory in physical
manifestation. They are participating non-physically, but they are
focusing their attention in the direction of interaction with this particular
physical dimension.
You all hold an aspect of awareness objectively of this type of interaction.
You create translations for this interaction, but you do hold an awareness,
even objectively, of this type of interaction. You label this as
interaction of guides or angels.
In this, you hold an identification and a recognition that there are
essences that participate with you that are not choosing to be physically
manifest. Those essences that are choosing to be interactive with
you are focusing their attention in a different manner than my attention
is focused.
Now; I shall express to you, the awareness of those essences encompasses
all of your physical dimension. It is not focused upon one individual
or even groups of individuals, but it is focused in the entirety of your
physical dimension — all of the layers of time frameworks, all of the manifestations,
all of the individuals participating physically, and all of the individuals
that are disengaging and entering into nonphysical transition.
Therefore, the awareness is similar in its expression to the awareness
that I incorporate, but the ATTENTION is different.
Are you understanding thus far?
VIVIEN: Yes, I am, believe it or not! (Laughing)
ELIAS: Therefore, what I am expressing to you is that this is
the offering of two different choices of attention subsequent to the action
of transition, in which the essence has, in those focuses, shed the belief
systems, and has also shed the objective awareness, but has created a choice
to be reincorporating an element of objective awareness to be associating
with the physical dimension.
Even within my focus of attention, as I interact with all of you within
this particular dimension, each time I am interactive with any individual
participating within this physical dimension, I choose also to incorporate
an element of objective awareness that allows myself to be creating a more
efficient interaction and communication, for it allows me to speak your
language.
VIVIEN: Yes, I understand. I’m amazed that I do understand,
but I do. You’ve explained it very clearly.
ELIAS: This is not to say that I am incorporating an objective
element of awareness continuously within my focus of attention, for it
is unnecessary, but I do incorporate some elements of objective awareness
in the action of interacting with all of you.
Essences that are choosing to be occupying their attention in Regional
Area 3 and interactive directly with this particular physical dimension
— those that you identify as angels or guides, that also allow themselves,
in your terms, from time to time to physically materialize, that you may
view as apparitions — those essences incorporate a different type and more
of a quantity, in a manner of speaking, of objective awareness to facilitate
their action and interaction with your particular physical dimension than
do I.
There are other essences which do not incorporate objective awareness,
for they do not choose to be interactive with any physical dimensions,
and therefore, there is a choice to be creating an exploration of other
areas of consciousness which are not expressed physically or objectively.
VIVIEN: And of those, there are limitless to choose from, correct?
ELIAS: Correct. You are merely viewing presently within
this now, in this discussion, two options or choices.
VIVIEN: ‘Cause this is what’s familiar to us.
ELIAS: Correct, and which offer a type of understanding within
your translations in your objective reality.
In this, I may express to you that this be the reason that I express
to you all, quite strongly and definitely, that you within your physical
dimension are not manifest to be teachers or learners.
You are not teaching or learning within your physical dimension, NOR
IS ANY OTHER ESSENCE.
I am not interactive with you to be teaching you. Although I have
expressed initially within my identification of this area of consciousness
that this is a teaching area, these are terms that you understand.
VIVIEN: Yes, but really what you’re doing is offering information.
ELIAS: And creating my own exploration of different interactions
within consciousness and manipulations of energy. Therefore, I also
am not learning, but am engaging my own exploration of consciousness, in
like manner to yourselves.
VIVIEN: Yes, I understand. Wow, it’s quite a trip, isn’t
it?
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha!
VIVIEN: A never-ending trip!
ELIAS: Quite, and how wondrous it is!
VIVIEN: It really is; it’s just amazing! Even what we continue
to term the good and bad experiences, each of them is just as wondrous
as every other, because we’re using our energy and turning it into anything
we want to.
ELIAS: Quite, and continuously creating an exploration!
VIVIEN: Yeah, it’s amazing. Really what we’re doing is exploring
ourselves, aren’t we?
ELIAS: Yes.
VIVIEN: In every interaction that we have with others, in whichever
way, whether it’s with you or with guides, angels, or with ourselves, with
each other, it’s still just another energy exchange going on.
ELIAS: Yes, and even within what you identify as myself, as an
essence non-physically focused, or any other essence that you view to be
“beyond” this essence of Elias, in your terms, the action is the same.
This is the action of becoming, a continuous exploration of self, for self
is consciousness.
VIVIEN: Yes, and growing into what we are, or the potential of
what we are, whatever you want to term it. (Elias laughs) It’s brilliant!
I love it!
Well, I think our time is just about up, Elias. Thank you very,
very much.
ELIAS: You are very welcome.
VIVIEN: As usual, it’s been wonderful!
ELIAS: (Chuckling) And I anticipate our continued interaction,
and you may offer my greetings to the small one.
VIVIEN: Oh, I shall. I asked him yesterday, I said, “Do
you have any questions for Elias?” “No.” I guess he knows it
all!
ELIAS: (Laughing) And creating contentment.
VIVIEN: Yes, I think he is. The information that you’ve
offered to me about my role as a mother and personal responsibility, I
really have been addressing to that, and I think it’s helped me greatly,
it really has. I’m a lot more calm, and I think a lot more accepting
of myself in that respect, and that’s really all it takes.
ELIAS: And I continue to be encouraging to you in this action.
VIVIEN: Thank you, Elias. I’m starting to trust more now
when I hear you. I’m learning to listen.
ELIAS: Ha ha! No, you are not “learning” to listen!
You are turning your attention. (Grinning)
VIVIEN: I am widening my periphery!
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha!
VIVIEN: Well, again, thank you very much, and I love you lots.
ELIAS: You are very welcome, and I extend to you also tremendous
affection. In anticipation of our continued interaction, au revoir.
VIVIEN: Au revoir. Thank you.
Elias departs at 12:43 PM.
© 2000 Vicki Pendley/Mary Ennis, All Rights Reserved
Copyright 2000 Mary Ennis, All Rights Reserved.