Sunday July 2, 2000
© 2001 (Private/Phone)
Participants:  Mary (Michael) and Sue (Catherine).
Elias arrives at 1:06 PM. (Arrival time is 24 seconds)

ELIAS:  Good morning!

SUE:  Good morning, Elias! (Elias chuckles)  How have you been?

ELIAS:  As always, and yourself?

SUE:  Fine, thank you.  I’ve been thinking of calling you for about six months, and as usual, it has taken me a long time to finally get around to it! (Elias chuckles)  I sort of save up questions.

ELIAS:  Very well.  You may proceed.

SUE:  Okay.  I have a lot of small questions, just little things about other focuses and things like that.

It seems to me that I feel my father in a focus in Russia, possibly in the 19th century. (Pause)

ELIAS:  Yes, what you would term to be early 19th century.

SUE:  Were we involved with politics at that time, as men?

ELIAS:  In a manner of speaking; not what you may identify as officials, but involving yourselves in the movement of political activity and concerning yourselves with the current events, so to speak.

SUE:  Yeah, that’s what I thought, that we were very interested in politics, not that we were actually in the government or anything like that.

ELIAS:  Correct.

SUE:  Okay, thank you.  And my mother, is she either of Vold or aligned with Vold? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Alignment.

SUE:  Aligned with Vold, like me.  Can you tell me what her essence family is? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Essence family, Zuli.

SUE:  Zuli — interesting!  Okay, thank you.  I thought there might be Vold in there, that it might be something we shared in some way.

A long time ago, I asked you what my alignment was, and you said that I was aligned with Vold, but with a particular subfamily of Vold, and I’ve never been able to figure out what subfamily it would be or what it would be called.  I was just wondering, can you tell me something about what kind of subfamily that is?

ELIAS:  Very well.  You are wishing for an identification?

SUE:  Yes, please. (Pause)

ELIAS:  Vilue; V-I-L-U-E. (vil-yoo’)

SUE:  Vilue — huh!  Can you tell me anything about what that subfamily is involved with?

ELIAS:  I may express to you that this particular subdivision of the Vold family, so to speak, holds many of the same qualities, and for the most part, a very similar intent.  But individuals that are associated with this subdivision of Vold express less of an intensity of objective movement in what you may term to be a revolutionary manner, so to speak.  There is less of an expression of change in certain expressions within an individual focus.

Individuals that are associated with this particular subdivision may be expressing in many similar manners to individuals that align with the Vold family itself, but there may be less of an intensity and less movement of altering directions, so to speak; a propensity to be continuing in chosen expressions and directions, and occasionally altering their interactions within those particular directions, but continuing to be expressing in familiar manners, so to speak.

In other terms, it may be viewed more obviously in the expressions of employment and a movement of less change in that type of expression, or in the physical location that the individual may choose to be residing, or with the individuals that they are interactive with within their focus.  Individuals that are aligning with this subdivision family change less of these types of expressions than individuals associated with the Vold family itself.

SUE:  Okay, I see.  That makes sense, because people have told me that I seem more calm than they expect from someone with the Vold alignment.

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha!

SUE:  There’s less trauma in my life, or something like that. (Elias chuckles)  It makes sense because on the one hand, I do see the Vold connection, and yet at the same time, I still change jobs a lot, but I don’t move a great deal or I don’t do it frequently, so that makes sense.  Thank you.

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome.

SUE:  Okay, I have a question about the focus of Charles in England, where I knew Bobbi as Edward.  I was wondering if I was involved with mountain climbing in that focus, or perhaps in some other focus — I don’t know if it was that one. (Pause)

ELIAS:  Yes, as an expression of recreation, at times.

SUE:  Yeah.  I get the feeling of that focus as being one where I was involved with I think sailing and other kinds of sports, and mountain climbing might have been one of those.

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.

SUE:  I’ve been interested for a long time in mountain climbing, and yet it’s something that I don’t do, and I don’t intend to do in this life, and I thought maybe that was because I was doing it in another focus, and I don’t know, but maybe that’s why I like the idea of it, but don’t care about doing it.

ELIAS:  Correct.

SUE:  Okay.  I believe that I am not a final focus.  Is that correct?

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.

SUE:  Okay, I figured that because I’m always surprised by people who seem to like the idea of being a final focus, and I think my reaction would be, “Gee, don’t I get to come back?”  I don’t think I’d like to be a final focus, so I assumed I wasn’t. (Elias chuckles)

Is my orientation common?

ELIAS:  Yes.

SUE:  Okay, thank you.  I thought it probably was.  Can you tell me how many physical focuses my essence has in this place? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Total numbering, physical manifestations within this particular dimension, 581.

SUE:  Okay, thank you.

ELIAS:  You are welcome.

SUE:  I don’t know why, but I was curious about that! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles)

I think I’d like to ask about a dream that I had — oh gosh, a good 20, maybe 25 years ago.  I dreamt I was in a house on the side of a hill or mountain looking over a city, and I saw an atomic bomb fall.  I watched the mushroom cloud rise, and I felt like a very incredibly strong wind blowing.  I remember my last thought, before I actually woke up from the dream, was that I was surprised that I wasn’t dead yet. (Elias grins)  I’ve wondered over the years, was that a symbolic dream, or was that ... was I actually present in Hiroshima when the bomb was dropped?  Can you tell me anything about that?

ELIAS:  (Smiling)  I shall express to you that this particular dream is imagery that you have chosen symbolically to be expressing your identification to yourself of the movement of this shift, and the power of that movement and the affectingness of it, and within that time framework in your focus, this particular symbol of this type of bomb was an element that you associated with in tremendous strength, and as a physical action that may be viewed as life-altering, tremendously affecting, and extremely powerful.

This be the reason that you have chosen this particular type of imagery, to be presenting this concept to yourself as you began allowing yourself an expression of movement into awareness of this shift in consciousness, regardless that you objectively were not defining what you were associating with.  Nevertheless, you were allowing yourself to be incorporating objective imagery associated with the intensity of the movement in energy of this shift in consciousness.  You view yourself to not be dead, for although the movement holds intensity and the action is extremely powerful, it is not lethal, so to speak.

SUE:  I see, and I think that dream ... I had it at a point when I was starting to remember dreams and starting to open myself up more to things, like probably to the shift.  Yeah, that time period was approximately when I was starting to do that.

ELIAS:  Correct.

SUE:  Okay, thank you.  I’ve wondered about that for years.  I’ve always wondered what it signified.

I have a question about ... we’ve talked before once about how I can offer myself imagery, not just through dreams or not so much through meditation, but through coincidences.  I get very interesting, weird little coincidences that take place around me.

One thing I’ve noticed over the years is that I seem to come across Oscar Wilde a lot, and quotations from Oscar Wilde, and just a couple of days ago, I was having dinner in San Francisco, and I got a little fortune cookie that had a quotation from Oscar Wilde, and the person that I was with got a quotation from Voltaire, or somebody like that.  And I just wondered, when I get these little things, is that like a connection with you?

ELIAS:  Yes.

SUE:  Okay, thank you.  I thought it might be.  It just seems to me that it happens a lot! (Elias chuckles)  Even way back when I was first in college in the ‘70s, I had a roommate who put a big poster of Oscar Wilde up on the wall of our room because she said her father had looked like that when he was young.  It’s just a lot of things.  When my mother and I went to England together and had theater tickets included with the trip, it turned out to be “The Importance of Being Earnest,” and it just seems to me that I come across Oscar Wilde much more than most people do! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!  Quite a handsome, talented fellow! (Chuckling)

SUE:  Yes, very much so! (They both laugh)  Okay, let me think what else I wanted to ask.

I had a friend years ago when I was first at Berkeley, a guy named Robert, and we had stayed friends for some years, and then we lost touch about six or eight years ago.  I hadn’t talked to him in all that time, and after I moved up here, he suddenly called me.  He had, on a whim, tried to call me down in L.A. and had gotten the new phone number, and was very excited to find that I was living up here, and so he called, and we’ve been spending time together and hanging out together and stuff.  He’s a really funny guy, and I really enjoyed seeing him again.  I was curious about why he decided to call me at that point, probably just when I was thinking about calling him.  Is that some sort of connection going on there?

ELIAS:  In actuality, this occurs rather frequently within individuals’ focuses.  What I am expressing in that statement is not that it may be frequently occurring within one individual’s focus, but within your dimension, individuals create this experience frequently, generally speaking.

This is an expression of your offering to yourself objective validation and recognition of your natural movement.  You are in actuality communicating with other individuals, regardless that you may not be objectively interacting with them, and you do project different expressions of communication in association with your desires and your own movement.

I have also expressed to you many times, there is no separation within consciousness, and in this, within the interconnectedness of all of you and all that you create within your reality, you are projecting energy within consciousness continuously, and that is affecting of all other individuals.

At times you may be projecting a particular type of beacon of energy which is expressing a desire to be drawing specific individuals to yourself, and within moments, they may be expressing the same desire, and in energy, those two projections may meet, so to speak, and create an urging, in a manner of speaking, within either of the individuals, or both — many times both — in which the individuals shall be motivated to be creating probabilities in which they objectively interact.

Regardless of circumstances or situations or even physical locations, you shall create probabilities in relation to other individuals and the probabilities that they are creating, and this facilitates the movement that you shall objectively meet, so to speak, and allow yourselves interaction.

As to your question of your connectedness to this individual, I shall express to you, yes, you do share activity within other focuses.

I shall also reiterate to you presently, as I have expressed to many individuals, the individuals that you allow yourself an objective meeting with and interaction with in any particular focus, for the most part, are manifestations of essences that you participate with in other focuses also.

SUE:  Okay, that makes sense.

ELIAS:  And in those situations in which you experience a familiarity with an individual, and you are noticing objectively of what you in physical focus identify as some type of connection, so to speak, you may assure yourself that you are participating in other focuses with that individual.

SUE:  Yeah, I’ve had that a couple of times, where I’ve met somebody new and just felt like an instant connection with them, or felt that they looked familiar to me or reminded me of somebody, but I couldn’t think of who.  I don’t know if I felt that with Robert initially, but he did say, when he called, that he had been thinking about me a lot lately, and I kept coming to mind, and he said that usually when that happens to him, he figures that he might as well call the person, and so it definitely sounds like he had been feeling the same connection that I had, because I had been thinking about calling him ever since I’d moved back up here, and I knew his number was in the phone book, but I hadn’t gotten around to it.

Also, just before he called, I’d been feeling kind of lonely because I don’t have many friends up here, and I felt like gee, isn’t anybody going to call me and ask me to dinner or anything?  And then like two days later, he called me unexpectedly, so the timing was really good!

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  And there are no coincidences!

SUE:  I agree!  That’s what I tend to believe, that there are reasons for them.

Okay, I want to ask about ... or just talk about something.  When I moved up here, I had a condo back in Los Angeles, and I got it fixed up and put it on the market, and once it was on the market — I had a real estate agent dealing with it — I occasionally thought to myself, gee, I really should be concerned about this, or I really should send some positive energy toward getting it sold.  But the fact is, I just wasn’t very interested.  I got like an offer that fell through, and I wasn’t very worried about that, and then I got another offer for the full price, and it went through.  There were no problems, and a month later, the place was sold.

I just find it kind of interesting that even though I kept thinking, “Gee, I should be more worried about this,” I wasn’t worried at all.  It all went so smoothly, and I was thinking that this might be kind of an object lesson in how to create things efficiently?

ELIAS:  (Grinning)  Ah, and you are correct!  You are offering yourself information through imagery.

In this, you allow yourself the validation that in not complicating your reality and in not attempting to force energy, you may be creating of much more of an ease, and in that ease, you also create a validation to yourself objectively that you DO hold these abilities to be manipulating energy and to be creating what you wish to be creating, as you allow yourself to relax and trust your choices and your movement without complication and without doubt.

SUE:  Yeah, because it went so smoothly, and I just didn’t really think about it.  I just knew it would sell, and I wasn’t worried about the agent, and I just ... in general, I tend to be that way about money.  It’s like money is not something that I worry about much, and it’s kind of nice having at least one area in my life ... not that I always have all the money I want, but I guess it just never seems to be a problem, you know?  I’ve never defined it as a problem, and it never turns out to be one.

ELIAS:  And I shall express to you that this type of action with this particular subject matter of money, so to speak, offers an objective example to other individuals also, and is in actuality affecting.

As I have expressed earlier within our discussion, all that you choose and the motion that you engage within your focus is affecting within consciousness, and as you create these types of expressions of trust of self, and are not incorporating a forcing of energy or what you describe to be worry or concern in relation to this particular subject matter, you create this expression much more easily.

I express to many individuals this concept, but I may also express to you, the benefit of your expression in relation to other individuals is that you also are physically focused.

Therefore, other individuals may view your movement and your perception, and what you create within your reality and how you create in your reality, and it may be more impactful in influence, in their viewing, than the words and concepts that I offer to them.

For within your beliefs, you all may allow yourselves to be listening to myself at times, and also, at times you are resisting what I am expressing to you, for you are aligning with your beliefs that Elias is not physically focused, and therefore does not interact with your physical reality in the manner that YOU interact with physical reality, and therefore also, I do not understand the difficulties that you experience within your reality physically, for I do not engage physical matter or physical situations.

(Grinning)  I may express to you and to other individuals, I quite understand what you create and engage within your physical reality, and I do offer information to be helpful within your objective understanding of what you are creating and how you are creating your reality.

I also am quite understanding that experience within your physical reality speaks to you much more clearly, and you allow yourselves much more of an assimilation of information as you allow yourselves the experiences of the concepts that we speak of.

Therefore, I express to you that as you ARE objectively physically focused within this physical dimension, other individuals may allow themselves to view your choices and your movement, and may be allowing more of an influence and more of an understanding objectively of these concepts than they necessarily may in merely interacting with myself and the offering of words concerning these types of creations and experiences.

Other individuals also create their reality, in association with this subject matter of finances or money, in similar manner to yourself, and each of you that allows yourself the freedom of trust in your abilities to be creating in this manner — and not creating worry — express yourselves in the example of the straight little sapling.

For merely through your trust of self and your movement in your individual focus, concentrating upon self and not occupying your attention with doubtfulness outside of self, you offer an example to other individuals; not in attempting to alter their reality and not concerning yourself objectively with their reality, but focusing upon YOUR reality.

And this is the point, and it SHALL provide you with the movement and the creations that you desire, as you allow yourselves the simplicity of trust.

SUE:  Uh-huh.  Yes, I see what you mean.  I find it interesting, too, that I contrast my attitudes towards money with my attitudes towards relationships with men.  I see that as like a huge problem.  I mean, the whole idea of even getting a date seems so impossible, and I keep thinking that if I could be as blasé about that as I am about money, I’d probably get a lot farther.

ELIAS:  Ah!  In this, you are offering yourself glimpses of movement in how you create your reality individually.

And in this also, recognize that in actuality, you are not blasé concerning money.  You merely allow yourself the expression of trust, and therefore, you do not incorporate worry, and in not incorporating worry or concern — OR the exhibition of control, within your beliefs — you allow a free expression of your energy.

Therefore, you naturally, automatically, and effortlessly create the object of your want, and this may be translated into other directions in which you concentrate your attention.

SUE:  Um-hmm!  Yeah....

ELIAS:  As your attention is focused upon self — not upon your realtor, not upon your buyer, not upon the object of your home, so to speak, but your attention is focused upon self — and that you have projected an energy of your want and allowed that energy to manifest outwardly, objectively, without pushing, without force, without objective concentration, without complication, but merely in an expression of trust of your own ability, the energy flows freely, and you ARE creating the object of your want.

Let me express to you also, in this type of movement, it is not a situation in which you express, “I wish to be creating of this action in which an individual shall be acquiring this property, and I shall be selling, and they shall be buying, and I shall incorporate no difficulty, and I shall involve the interaction as intermediary of this individual I identify as a realtor to be helpful to myself, and trust that this action shall be accomplished.”

It is not a situation in which you express all of these elements to yourself in definition within one moment, and therefore, the energy, so to speak, is sent out as an entity apart from yourself, and the energy, as this entity, is creating all of this action for you, and all of the elements of the scenario, so to speak, fall into place, for the “energy entity” has organized the placement of all of these actions for you.

But rather, that you choose a probability objectively, and in trusting your ability to be creating that probability and that want, you need not focus your attention upon the mechanics of its creation any longer, for you trust your ability to be creating it.

Now; you continue to participate in your expressions of energy, without objective thought process, without concentrating your objective attention, but you ARE continuing to be participating in the expression of your energy, regardless that you are not within physical proximity of the perceived action, so to speak, or interaction.

And in this, as you continue throughout a time framework to be trusting of your ability to be creating your want, and not doubting and not incorporating worry or discounting of yourself, you also create no obstacles and a free flow of your participation in the creation of your want.

This may move in similar manner to your objective, physical expressions of your physical body.

Let me express to you that you may be engaging the action of writing a letter to another individual.  You may physically pick up a pen, and you may physically engage the pen to paper with your hand, and be creating physical writing of script upon that paper.

Your thoughts and your attention is not concentrated upon the formation of each physical letter that you are writing, or the actual movement of your hand which is required to be creating each letter.  You are not objectively holding your attention upon the display of ink that forms each letter and each word.

Your attention is focused upon the action of writing the letter and the content of information that you wish to be communicating, not the physical mechanics of how you shall communicate.  But you are participating in an actual action, regardless that your attention is [not] held in the mechanics of that action.  You are physically creating the letters with the pen and ink upon the paper, which forms the words that are comprised within the letter of communication.

In similar manner, you create other expressions within your reality.

You do not doubt that your hand commands the pen.  You trust your ability to be forming the symbols that create the words for communication.  Therefore, you do not require your objective attention to be held in that action.

In similar manner, as you create certain actions within your focus concerning your creation of money, you trust your ability to be creating your want in this expression.  You recognize your ability, and you are not doubting of the efficiency of that ability.  Therefore, you also do not concern yourself in holding your objective attention in that creation.

This is not to say that you do not continue to participate in that creation, in similar manner to your hand’s participation with the pen and the paper.  The action continues.  You do not express to yourself, “I shall write a letter in communication to my comrade,” and not engage the action of writing the letter.

You also engage actual expressions of energy, in participation of your objective, physical reality, to be creating the manifestations of the money that you wish.

SUE:  That example is really interesting, because now I’m studying linguistics in school, and I’ve often thought about how amazing language is, that we just automatically talk and don’t have to think about it, like how do I say this or how do I put this into words?  Usually it just (snaps fingers) flows out of our mouths, and so that example makes a lot of sense to me.

ELIAS:  Correct.

SUE:  We simply DO just trust ourselves to be able to do that, to be able to communicate.

ELIAS:  For you do hold this ability.  You hold MANY abilities within your physical reality that may be facilitating of your creations quite easily, but you do not trust your abilities and you incorporate doubt as influenced by your belief systems, and in this, as you doubt your abilities and you do not trust your efficiency in your creations or your worthiness, you create obstacles in your movement.  For if you are not acknowledging to yourself that you hold the ability to be creating certain actions or certain wants, why shall you create that?  You create what you believe.

SUE:  Right, and I tend to believe that I don’t trust myself to get involved in a relationship.  I tend to believe that I’ll be attracted to the wrong men or that I’m attracted to men who aren’t interested in me and so forth and so on, and so nothing happens because I don’t trust myself in that area at all.

ELIAS:  Then I express to you, offer yourself your own example, and be the straight little sapling to yourself!  Allow yourself to view these areas in which you DO trust yourself and your ability, and you create effortlessly and simply, and allow yourself the application of that trust within other expressions.

SUE:  Yes, and I find that at school too.  I trust myself a lot in school.  I trust my ability to get good grades now that I’m back in school.  I got all A’s this semester.  Actually, I got an A+ in one class, so I’m really happy about that. (Elias chuckles)  I feel that I’m in the right area.  I also find myself wanting to do the things that come most easily for me, because I figure that if it comes easy for me and I enjoy it, then that’s what I’d rather do, rather than try to force myself into something that somebody else thinks is good for me.  So I know that in certain areas, I can do it.  I’ll have to think about how to translate that over, but I do think I see what you mean, about how the process works anyway.

ELIAS:  Quite, and acknowledge to yourself that in that ease is also an expression of trust.  You create things easily within your reality that you trust your ability to BE creating.

SUE:  Yes, okay.  That makes sense to me.  Yeah, even at school, I’m not sure at this point whether I’ll go ahead and go for a Master’s in library science like I planned, or whether I’ll want to do graduate work in linguistics.  But I’m not concerned about it, because I just figure that when the time comes, I will know what I want to do.  So even though part of me wants to make the decision now, I know that I don’t have to, and it’s like letting it go, because I know that when I get there, it will make sense, one way or the other.

ELIAS:  Quite, and this is your allowance also that you are listening to yourself.

SUE:  Okay.  Okay, that makes sense.  Well, I think that was all the questions I really needed to ask this time. (Elias chuckles)  But it was very interesting.  Thank you very much.  That’s a lot of helpful information.

ELIAS:  You are very welcome.

SUE:  I’ll think about that.

ELIAS:  And you may be allowing yourself, in your assimilation of this information, to be practicing.  Allow yourself to be noticing the expressions in which you create a tension and a forcing of energy rather than an allowance and a relaxation in an expression of trust.  It shall present itself to you much more obviously than you may suspect! (Chuckling)

SUE:  Okay, I will pay attention to that! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  Very well!  I express to you great affection and tremendous encouragement in your movement presently.  I hold an awareness of the fun and pleasure you are employing in your new adventure!

SUE:  Thank you, and affection to you too.

ELIAS:  To you this day, in anticipation of our next meeting, au revoir.

SUE:  Au revoir.

Elias departs at 2:05 PM.

Vic’s note:  I like to include The Sapling Story every now and then, and this seems like an appropriate time.

The Sapling Story
September 13, 1995
Session #37 (An excerpt)

ELIAS:  I will give you a small story which you may contemplate through this week.  In this, be thinking of belief systems and of connections.

My story incorporates two saplings, both exactly identical, both newly growing; one growing naturally and reaching towards the sun and basking within its rays, and drinking naturally of the rain and resting to the moon.

The other is looking around and is viewing the sky and is seeing the sun and is saying to itself, “Maybe I should be growing at night.  The sun is very hot.  It may burn me or it may sap my energy, and the rain is very wet and it gets all over me, and I am not sure I am liking of this rain and I am not sure that it is making me grow properly, and maybe I should be investigating where this rain is coming from and I should be analyzing the sunrays to be sure that I am incorporating the proper vitamins, or maybe the moon is more friendly to my growth and I would grow taller if I am growing at nighttime, while this idiot sapling next to me is being stunted by the sun.”

And in the morning, the one sapling is stretching its newly formed branches and uncurling its soft leaves and growing within complete trust, and the other sapling in the morning is viewing the same sun and is looking at the beautifully formed other sapling and is looking like this: (here, Elias twists his body and face into a grotesque contortion).

Now; this story is about belief systems and the noticing of these belief systems.  It is also about trust and connection.  It also incorporates proper personal responsibility.  The one trusting sapling incorporates a genuine personal responsibility in not trying to change or help the analyzing sapling, but as it grows true and strong and trusting, it radiates an example.  It shines in its essence as an example to the other sapling, and as the other sapling unconvolutes itself throughout the day, it notices the straight sapling and it chooses the focus of effortlessness and trust as being easier, for it has been shown an example.  Therefore, be all the trusting straight saplings, radiating your example.

© 2001  Vicki Pendley/Mary Ennis, All Rights Reserved

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