Final Focuses/Reincarnation
Topics:
“Acceptance: Words vs. Example”
“Viewing Other Individuals As You”
Friday, July 21, 2000
© 2001 (Private)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Carole (Aileen).
Elias arrives at 11:36 AM. (Arrival time is 26 seconds)
ELIAS: Good morning!
CAROLE: Good morning, Elias!
ELIAS: We meet again!
CAROLE: Yes. Very nice to see you! (Elias chuckles)
Very nice to see you in Mary’s new digs. (Elias chuckles again) Very
nice.
I have some questions. I’m going to start out with a few personal
things, which you can just answer quickly, if that’s okay — don’t need
a lot of input, just want some basic information — and then after some
personal things, I’ll move into some general things, Elias, if that’s okay
with you, and time permitting.
ELIAS: Very well.
CAROLE: First, I want to find out about orientation. Am
I soft? I really don’t connect when things happen on the physical
plane or the physical reality, but I do on the inner ‘cause I see these
big things happening on the inner and I interact with them, and so that
makes me think I’m soft. Am I a softy? (Pause)
ELIAS: Yes.
CAROLE: Okay. I think that also, being of soft orientation
and an emotional focus, the combination sometimes makes my emotional energy
really big, really powerful.
ELIAS: Yes. (Chuckling)
CAROLE: (Laughing) Too much for me, and maybe some other
folks too! Okay, I’m wondering if my son Tom, essence name Thomas,
is also soft. (Pause)
ELIAS: No; common.
CAROLE: Common, okay. And my son Rick, essence name Tam,
is he intermediate? (Pause)
ELIAS: No; common.
CAROLE: Really! That’s interesting. Husband — present
husband, essence name Mandell — is he common? (Pause)
ELIAS: Yes.
CAROLE: Okay. First husband, Thomas, is he intermediate?
(Pause)
ELIAS: Common.
CAROLE: Okay. Ex-significant other, Jay, is he soft? (Pause)
ELIAS: No. This individual holds the orientation of intermediate.
CAROLE: Oh, that’s interesting. And my son Tom’s wife Monica,
essence name Bridget, is she common? (Pause)
ELIAS: Yes.
CAROLE: Okay, so I’m pretty much surrounded by commons.
It’s a wonder I get along with anybody! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles)
Now, my ex-husband Thomas, who seems to have reconstituted himself
in our lives, I’m wondering, is he close to disengagement? (Pause)
ELIAS: This would not be the choice which he is engaging presently,
although there is a subjective consideration in relation to this choice.
CAROLE: Okay, so he’s considering it, but it’s not the most probable
probability?
ELIAS: Within this present now, no.
CAROLE: Within this present now, okay.
Also, this same person, how is he connected to the lifetime that I had
in Ireland, where my name is Aileen and your name is Thomas and we’re husband
and wife? How does he connect with that? I feel like there’s
something, but I can’t figure out what it is unless he’s also connected
strongly with Elias as another fragmentation or something.
ELIAS: No. This is not a fragmentation. This individual
participates in that focus in the role of a brother to the focus of this
essence.
CAROLE: I see. Okay, so he’s your brother, and that’s how
I knew him in that focus.
Recently, I went to the physical location of China in this reality,
and met a focus of mine. Right after the first time I visited Nicky
and met Vicki, Mary, and Ron in California, after my first visit, I had
a connection in the dream state of this focus in China, a young woman in
her mid-twenties, and I knew her name was Wu Li. That was the name
I got, and I knew it was me in another focus. As a matter of fact,
I was so excited, I called Vicki and told her about it.
Well, when I was going to China I said to myself, “I’m going to meet
my other focus,” and I thought, “Well, how can that be, Carole? You
can’t even speak the language.” It didn’t seem like something that
could easily be accomplished. While I was there, the whole group
went up to see ... not a monastery, but one of those Chinese pagoda things,
and I went into the bathroom and got lost, and when I came out, no one
was there. I was just there in China, with all these people not speaking
my language, and me not speaking theirs. So I said, “I’ll just wait
here, and eventually they’ll come back down,” ‘cause I didn’t want to try
to find them on my own.
Well, a young woman came up to me and started talking to me, and I knew
after we started talking that this was me. It was a very, very, very
incredible experience. I asked her about her age, and she just said
“twenties,” and that’s what I had said to myself — she’ll be in her twenties
— the same word. That’s when the light bulb went off, and I thought,
“Oh my god, this is me.”
And the thing that amazed me was the tone. She is so unhappy with
where she is. She wanted me to help her get to America, and all I
could think of was, she’s getting reconfigured energy from me here, her
other me, one of her other me’s, or focuses, and feeling that that’s where
she should be. She wanted me to take her back, get her a husband,
take her in my house to clean for me, anything to get to America.
She had her beautiful black hair bleached out red so that it would be lighter
colored, and she said that she wished she had blue eyes like me and blond
hair like me, and I thought, wow, she’s just so connected with this part
of herself and myself.
It felt like I knew what was going on, and it felt like she didn’t,
and I felt like ... we had a real language barrier. She barely could
speak English, and I certainly can’t speak very much Chinese, maybe ten
phrases, but we managed to connect quite a bit in conversation. We
sat there and talked the whole time the group was up on top of this mountain
visiting this pagoda, and that was about two-and-a-half hours, and then
finally she left, and I thought to myself ... oh, and her name was Mai
Wu Li, ‘cause she was able to tell me what her name was, and I thought,
unbelievable! Of course I know it’s believeable, but nevertheless,
it was just a wonderful experience to actually meet another focus on the
total other side of the world, total other side of the world!
ELIAS: And does this not offer you a tremendous validation of
your ability to be interpreting your impressions and the information that
you offer to yourself?
CAROLE: Yes, and sometimes it’s easier to interpret things that
are out of the norm. Sometimes the norm things are harder to interpret,
such as relationships — should I stay with this one, should I stay away
from that one — those things sometimes seem hard. Things like this
... I mean, it was just so obvious that this was what was going on, and
I wondered ... it was helpful to me, for me to meet her. I don’t
know if it was helpful to her, for her to meet me.
But I basically tried to tell her where she was planted, and if she
really wanted to come to the United States, there were ways that she could,
and I gave her my card, my business card with my numbers and everything
on it, so if she ever gets to that point, I’m sure she’ll hang onto it,
and who knows, you know? Maybe she’ll come to my side of the world,
you know? (Laughing, and Elias chuckles) But that was a beautiful
experience. The thing that amazed me was the tone — a very strange
feeling, a very strange feeling! (Elias chuckles)
These questions are about my son, Rick, whose essence name is Tam,
the one who is diagnosed with schizophrenia. I know I’ve talked to
you about this before. I’m wondering who talks to him. He has
a male and a female that talk to him. The male supposedly is the
leader of Eckankar, that religious organization, and the female is another
Eck master, or so they call themselves. Now, is he hearing from these
people? Are they something totally different, another essence, or
are they aspects of himself?
ELIAS: At times, he is interactive with other essences.
At other times, he is interactive with other aspects of his own essence.
For the most part, the interaction that he engages is between himself and
other aspects of himself as essence.
This, within the framework of your beliefs associated with your officially
accepted reality, becomes confusing at times, for there is a recognition
objectively that these are other individuals, and there is a knowing of
the reality of these other individuals and their actual manifestations
and presence without the veil of singularity and association with linear
time framework, but this conflicts with the officially accepted reality,
in which you participate in the design of veils of separation, of time
frameworks, and of different aspects of essence.
Therefore, he views these communications to be occurring between himself
and other individuals, but does not associate those other individuals as
aspects of himself, for this is not the design of your officially accepted
reality.
You focus your attention upon one aspect that you recognize as you.
You may offer yourself information concerning other expressions of yourself
within different focuses or probable realities or alternate realities,
but in your association with any interaction with any of those expressions,
you create a distinction, within your objective awareness and understanding,
between yourself and those expressions. You differentiate.
This is the design of your beliefs, which this individual incorporates
also, as I have expressed to you previously.
An element of the conflict that this individual and other individuals
that choose this type of manifestation also experience is the alignment
with the beliefs that are expressed within your reality, and the official
design of your physical reality, and their choice not to be manifesting
within the guidelines of that design.
Therefore, as he and other individuals creating similar types of focuses
align with this reality in certain aspects and align with certain belief
systems, they create judgments upon themselves, and also automatic associations
in relation to your officially accepted reality.
It is not officially accepted to be interactive with other aspects of
yourself, and if you are creating this action, you are deemed to be malfunctioning.
CAROLE: And that’s why sometimes the information he gets is at
one pole and sometimes at the other, because of the duplicity of his own
trying to come up with solutions to what he sees as his dilemmas, so that
other aspects of himself will feed this back? Because he’s got a
situation that he obsesses over, and sometimes he gets the answer in one
direction, and sometimes he gets it in the other direction.
ELIAS: Quite.
CAROLE: And I say, well, just trust yourself and don’t listen
to these people or whoever or whatever this is, you know? (Laughing)
ELIAS: Ah, but this IS his self! Therefore, as you express
to him, “Merely trust yourself,” it becomes more confusing, for these are
expressions of himself.
CAROLE: So he feels both ways.
ELIAS: Correct. He is allowing input objectively and recognizing
this input of information from different aspects of himself, but they are
not expressing information which may be similar in their individual expressions.
Therefore, it becomes confusing, for he is allowing the perceptions of
different aspects of self. Each self, each focus of attention, creates
a different perception.
CAROLE: Would this go along with — he’s Sumari aligned with Tumold
— looking strongly outside of himself to find direction? Which is
very foreign pretty much to me, but it seems really, really strong in him
to really want to do that, to have this direction from this ... like now
he says he hates God, and I keep saying there is no God, but it’s like
it has to be something other than him that’s directing.
ELIAS: Quite.
Now; this also is an expression of looking to outside influences, such
as yourself or other individuals, and attempting to be creating a balance
with those influences and the influences of self — what you term to be
the voices that he interacts with. Those are, for the most part,
aspects of himself.
He also, as I have expressed to you previously, holds belief systems
in alignment with mass expressions, and this becomes confusing within himself,
for it is also influencing of his perception of what he is interacting
with — or what information he is interacting with — for he aligns with
the belief that this type of interaction is abnormal, therefore placing
a judgment upon his interaction with these other aspects of self and creating
suspicion in relation to these other aspects of self.
As he creates this suspicion, he also is aligning with the beliefs objectively
that this type of interaction is a malfunction within himself, and this
influences his perception, and his perception turns. Therefore, the
input that he receives through interaction with other aspects of self is,
in a manner of speaking, colored, for his perception is interacting through
a type of colored lens, so to speak, which is the influence of his beliefs.
Now; in the action of acceptance, he neutralizes the action of placing
the colored lens over the perception, and therefore removes the suspicion
of the interaction, and in that action, he may allow himself to view that
the input is not in actuality as conflicting or confusing as he perceives
it to be. His perception, in the color of suspicion and lack of acceptance,
creates an understanding of the information which is offered, or a translation
of the information which is offered, which assumes a suspicious and untrustworthy
hue.
CAROLE: That’s interesting, and I was weaving in and out of getting
what you were saying. I’ll have to re-read it to totally comprehend
what you’re saying.
I wonder, too, why he thinks that if he commits suicide, and this is
what he says, that he will return — because he has reincarnational beliefs,
and this is a strong thing — as a conjoined twin, joined at the head.
At first I just thought it was ... if this is gonna happen, and I know
this is gonna happen, that’s a way of him not having to commit suicide.
But now I’m wondering if maybe it’s like twin aspects or something, or
the duplicity, or once again, two sides of the fence, being paralyzed,
not being able to move forward. I don’t know, I’m kind of casting
about, but what’s with the conjoined twins thing?
ELIAS: This is an example of what we are speaking of — the reception
of information through other aspects of himself in communication, and his
allowance of himself, in an awareness, to view and to recognize certain
actions which are occurring presently within other aspects of self.
But within his perception, as it is influenced by the energy of his beliefs,
he creates a translation, and the translation is expressed in this type
of manner.
CAROLE: Okay, so that gives him something to get hold of, to explain
what he’s experiencing.
ELIAS: Correct. It is an objective translation which he
is designing, which in quite physical terms, within himself, appears to
be providing some expression of sense.
CAROLE: Yeah, ‘cause it’s two aspects, two twins, and I never
even thought about it until sitting here in front of you. It didn’t
occur to me, so something in the interchange here has made me see it from
a wider perspective.
ELIAS: This be the reason, Aileen, that I speak to you repeatedly
of your interaction with this individual, for in your offering of acceptance,
this provides an objective example to him of the action of acceptance,
which he views objectively little expression outside of himself of this
type of expression of acceptance.
Therefore, what he views outside of himself, he incorporates in similar
manner to other individuals — ALL other individuals — in comparison with
himself, and as he views a lack of acceptance of his choice of reality
and his interaction with his reality in this physical dimension, his attempt
is to be aligning with what he views outside of himself, therefore creating
a sameness and therefore allowing himself some expression of validation,
for this is what you create within your physical reality, and in his interaction,
he is creating the same type of action.
You ALL create this type of action. You look outside of yourselves
for validation of self, for you have forgotten how to be offering yourself
these validations from within — and this IS an expression of duplicity
— and as you view outside of yourself and you allow yourself to view sameness,
you validate yourself, and you express to yourself that you are acceptable
and that you hold worth.
CAROLE: This is aligning with mass belief systems though, when
you do that, and we’re learning that mass belief systems are just belief
systems, and to recognize them as such, and to neutralize them so as not
to give them power.
ELIAS: Quite, but this is an automatic action that you create.
As you encounter another individual that expresses in difference to yourself,
there is an automatic response, WITHOUT thought. You need be creating
no thought process in relation to this action. It is an automatic
action — which IS an expression of duplicity — which is very familiar to
you, and in this, as you view actions and choices of other individuals
outside of yourself, those that you deem to be different from yourself
are unacceptable, for they threaten you, for you offer yourselves validation
of self and of your worth through your comparison of self to other individuals.
Let me express to you, Aileen, how very often do individuals seek out
other individuals in groups that you deem to be groups of supportiveness,
and for what reason?
CAROLE: Validation.
ELIAS: For the reason of sameness, that as you view other individuals
that are experiencing or creating choices or aligning with philosophies
or thought processes or emotional expressions that are the same as yourself,
you offer yourself a validation.
CAROLE: It seems that it’s creating less conflict for people that
do experience this or take part in this, such as AA or Al-Anon or any of
the self-help groups. They seem to take benefits from it, but that’s
going back to aligning with mass belief systems, or segments of mass belief
systems. So is it, in the last analysis, beneficial?
ELIAS: In part, as a stepping stone, so to speak, but as you offer
yourself more information and you widen your awareness objectively, you
also begin recognizing how you hold your attention outside of self and
WHY you hold your attention outside of self.
And as you recognize that the reason that you focus your attention outside
is that you may be offering yourself the identification of sameness and
this shall validate you, and the reason that you create that action is
that you objectively do not recognize how to be validating self within
self without outside comparison, and as you offer yourself more information
in conjunction with your beliefs and allow yourself the identification
of your beliefs and the recognition of your beliefs, you also recognize
that this is an expression of duplicity. You are already discounting
of self. You are creating movement from a beginning point, figuratively
speaking, of discounting and distrust of self.
Therefore, you view outside of self and grasp at expressions that shall
be the same or similar to your expressions, and this shall provide you
with a validation of self, rather than offering yourself the validation
within in an expression of acceptance, and therefore creating no necessity
for the pulling to yourself validation from without.
Your son creates this same action in similar manner to other individuals
— most individuals throughout your planet — for this is an automatic expression
in relation to mass belief systems, and mass belief systems are merely
the mass expression of individual beliefs.
CAROLE: And so I’m his group, because he always says, “I talk
to you, Ma, because there’s no one else I can talk to. I can tell
you all these things,” and I know he’s looking to me for validation, and
I validate that he’s having those experiences. But if it causes him
such discomfort, part of me wants to say, “You can move on to other experiences,”
but in some ways that’s like saying, “That’s not such a great experience.”
But it does seem like it causes a lot of problems and conflict in his life
to continue to have that choice of focus.
ELIAS: Ah, and we have also discussed your participation in this
exchange with this individual, and how this individual continues to move
in the expression of certain choices and design of direction, for he is
continuously offering himself his payoff.
CAROLE: Ah, and he does have a payoff.
ELIAS: Quite, and you participate in this payoff with him.
CAROLE: By providing so much?
ELIAS: Correct.
CAROLE: Okay.
ELIAS: You may be the example of acceptance, in your acceptance
of self and your acceptance of his choices, without offering what he necessarily
seeks in objective validation.
CAROLE: That would be wonderful, if I could figure out how to
do that! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles) It makes really good sense.
It’s difficult, though, in the carrying out. I could probably cut
off some of the physical things, but leave some of the emotional ... I
don’t know. I really don’t.
ELIAS: Let me express to you, your acceptance shall automatically
be expressing an aspect of validation, but not in the objective manner
that he seeks.
CAROLE: I see. Okay, so give acceptance, but don’t give
my physical time all the time, so that....
ELIAS: A very simplistic example....
CAROLE: Make it real simple for me! (Laughing)
ELIAS: He may be expressing, within a moment, a confusion within
self and a lack of acceptance of self, and he may express quite simply
to you, “Express to me, Mother, I am acceptable; I am okay.” And
your automatic response, in what you view to be acceptance and your offering
of validation to your son is, “Yes, Son, you are okay.”
This is quite simple as an example. This is an example of his
projection of energy, expressing to you the want for outside validation.
“I am not providing validation to myself that I am acceptable. Therefore,
I shall ask you to provide me with that expression of validation, and I
shall quite simply merely ask you, ‘Am I okay?’ and you shall respond,
‘Yes, you are,’ and I shall receive the outside validation that I have
sought.”
This is the payoff, and this is the participation in the interaction
that you engage that provides the payoff.
CAROLE: So I should not do that?
ELIAS: You may be accepting of his choices without the continuous
reinforcement in objective conversation, so to speak. For in actuality,
you may be expressing repeatedly, “Yes, Son, you are okay,” and you may
believe this expression within you, and you may be even expressing a genuine
acceptance of this individual, but your expression of these words is not
what shall provide the expression of energy that shall be received and
accepted, for within himself, he does not agree. He is receiving
his payoff as an outer validation in substitution for his own lack of validation,
but within, he is not within agreement with you.
Therefore, it matters not what you are expressing, for he shall express
his belief within himself regardless. By your example of acceptance,
you provide a different type of validation — not in words, but in BEING.
CAROLE: So in some ways, my accepting him in an overt way, rather
than just saying it, would be to allow him to have the organizations that
would help him with groceries and all those things, to let them do that,
‘cause that’s telling him I accept him: “This is the reality you’ve created,
and this is part of that reality, and I accept it, so I accept that it’s
okay for someone else to take you for groceries rather than me, ‘cause
this is your reality.” Is this more....
ELIAS: If this is what he is so choosing to be engaging, so be
it.
CAROLE: And it’s okay.
ELIAS: Yes. It is not your responsibility. You may
not fix him. He is not broken!
CAROLE: (Laughing) Thank you. You’re so good!
Thank you!
ELIAS: You are very welcome. (Chuckling)
CAROLE: Final focuses — do we
kind of have interesting problems or situations? Are we always strivers
because we feel very capable, and do other people kind of perceive us in
an unusual way?
I was talking with Mary about this earlier. We were talking about
the fact that ... I’m not sure if this is true of all final focuses, but
there seems to be a lot of energy around them. Is that because it’s
the main branch, or the trunk, if you will, of all the focuses of that
particular essence? So, there’s a lot more energy within that trunk,
and other people kind of perceive that, and some people will literally
or figuratively back off from it? I don’t know. Is this something
that you can shed some light on?
And I don’t know if other final focuses have this issue too, but sometimes
my energy feels like it’s just shooting out of me, and I’m uncomfortable
with it. I was at a friend’s house a couple of weeks ago — I was
telling Mary this also — and something very emotional was on TV.
It was about a mother and a son — and this is following our other conversation,
so it’s easy to understand — that were too close emotionally, and I was
emotionally attached to the scene to see what was going to happen, and
the TV blew off with this huge noise, and my friend said, “What the?!
That’s never happened before! What’s going on?” And inside
me, I knew there was so much energy coming out of me that it got to the
TV. Anyway, I don’t know if you can piece some of this together,
or give me some kind of support or help? (Laughing)
ELIAS: I shall express to you, in relation to final focuses, let
me clarify. Your identification of the “body” or the “trunk” is a
type of misinterpretation. The final focus is merely a designation
of position.
In this, one focus, which is manifest as one individual, is designated
holding a particular function or role. This is the designation of
the final focus, in similar manner to the identification of a beginning
focus.
CAROLE: Is my present husband a beginning focus? I’ve often
wondered that, because he seems that way. (Pause)
ELIAS: Yes, in actuality.
CAROLE: It’s delightful — beginning focuses are delightful!
He has none of my intensity; he’s delightful! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles)
ELIAS: Now; I shall express to you, individuals that are designated
as the final focus hold an awareness objectively that they are the final
focus. They may question within themselves objectively their interpretation
of this knowing, but each of you does hold an objective knowing and recognition
of being the designated final focus.
CAROLE: Yeah, I identify with that.
ELIAS: In this, the identification of that objectively many, many,
many times may be quite strong, and in association with the energy lent
by many different types of beliefs, individuals that are the designated
final focus may create interpretations and translations of that energy
and incorporate that into their particular focus, which creates, many times,
many expressions of similarities of qualities of these individuals that
are the designated final focuses.
Individuals at times — not entirely, and this is not a rule — but many
individuals, as the designated final focus, may incorporate more seriousness
within their particular focus. Some — not as many, but some — may
incorporate what appears to be an extreme of a lack of seriousness.
CAROLE: Or both at the same time! (Laughing)
ELIAS: Yes.
CAROLE: Because that’s what I do!
ELIAS: I may express to you, it is also quite common that the
designated final focus — in association once again with underlying influences
of beliefs associated with reincarnation — may experience a restlessness
...
CAROLE: Malcontents! (Laughing)
ELIAS: ... and at times, an impatience.
CAROLE: Yeah, guilty there too.
ELIAS: Now; I may also express to you that it is quite common
for designated final focuses to express much of an openness within their
energy and within their interactions in their particular focus, or much
of a tightness and a closedness.
Dependent upon the individual’s choice of personality — and beliefs,
which are quite influencing — the individual may exhibit more of an openness,
in an expression of choosing to be assimilating more information concerning
this physical dimension, as it recognizes its designation as the final
focus.
Or, it may exhibit what you physically may term to be a closedness in
fear, in association once again with underlying beliefs concerning reincarnation
and karma, and all that they have experienced within this physical dimension,
and assuming personal responsibility and guilt.
CAROLE: Is Rick a final focus, my son, the one we were talking
about, the one who has....
ELIAS: Yes.
Now; either of these expressions may be creating of some elements of
conflict, for in a choice to be holding tightly to the individual’s energy
and expressing what you term to be a closedness, the individual experiences
what you may associate as an inability to be effectively interactive with
other individuals, and experiences many times an actual physical exhaustion,
to a point, for there is a continuous exertion of energy to be holding
within this tension.
Within the expression of openness, this may be creating of conflict
at times also, for in the exhibition of openness — which, as we have expressed,
is another term for vulnerability — in that expression, the individual
is not holding so very tightly to their energy and expressing this tension,
for the most part, and this is recognized by other individuals.
Both expressions are recognized by other individuals, although the expression
of tension is more familiar. The expression of openness is less familiar
within your officially accepted reality, and in the interaction of unfamiliarity,
there is an automatic response within individuals to be withdrawing.
CAROLE: When someone is too open with them, they’ll pull back
or they’ll contract?
ELIAS: Correct, or they may be withdrawing through a type of aggression.
They withdraw....
CAROLE: They push away rather than pull back.
ELIAS: Yes, in an expression of energy in pushing your energy
away, so to speak, in objective terms, for it is unfamiliar and therefore
it is threatening, and to an extent fearful.
CAROLE: Is this what Mary and I were talking about earlier?
We were discussing how sometimes people will feel too much energy and they’re
uncomfortable with it, and so that’s kind of a pushing away?
ELIAS: Yes.
CAROLE: Yeah. Is my ex-husband a final focus? I have
a strong feeling that he is. (Pause)
ELIAS: Yes.
CAROLE: Yeah, because when I saw Diana ... when Princess Diana
died and I saw her on the inner, without any objective knowledge because
my husband and I were on a boat for weeks and we didn’t know about it objectively,
except I dreamt about it ... and I’ve mentioned this to you before.
When I got back, my ex-husband was on the phone telling me that Diana had
died, and he also said to me, “We’re all connected, we’re all connected,”
and he was like sobbing, and so I just thought, wow, somehow he connected
also with that mass event.
ELIAS: Correct.
CAROLE: And he saw the connections, which my present husband would
never objectively go there. Of course we’re all part of the oneness,
but objectively, he would never go there. He needs proof — he’s the
engineer type. (Laughing, and Elias chuckles) Even though he’s the
one I told the following morning — that I dreamt about Princess Diana at
the church, and all these people, and she and I had looked at each other
— and we knew nothing about this, that she had died — he still didn’t believe
me, which is amazing! He still didn’t believe me! It was just
a coincidence. (Laughing, and Elias chuckles) He gets hit over the
head with information and doesn’t believe it! (Short pause)
Oh, you already answered this. I was going to ask you, I was curious
about my first husband, and you as my husband in Ireland, and why you two
were so similar — handsome, charismatic, genius, and drunks. Now
I know — you were brothers! You drank together in the pubs!
Now I know! (Cracking up)
ELIAS: Ha ha ha! (Short pause)
CAROLE: All the old sayings that people have that help people
live, such as, “Say what you mean, mean what you say,” and “Do unto others
as you would have others do unto you,” all of those things, it’s like they
sort of make things run smoothly, if people go along with these rules.
But in the last analysis, it matters not, and if you in any way convey
that to other people, they just look at you as if you’re ... you should
really go to hell and burn there forever because of thinking this way.
(Elias chuckles)
But you know, in learning and listening to the things that you’ve taught
us, I know that that’s really the truth. It really matters not.
But yet, I still get stuck in my own personal things, and to me, it will
matter while it’s going on.
ELIAS: Quite.
CAROLE: You know? Then if I read a transcript or I remember
a few phrases, I’ll move into the place where it matters not, but there’s
still always this going back and forth, and not being able to stay continuously
in the “it matters not” mode.
As a matter of fact, there’s kind of a thing going on in a group on
the internet, the Elias group, where we talk back and forth, and we were
trading belief cards. I think it’s wonderful! Somebody, I’m
not sure who, but one of the people invented it, and we were saying that
it was genius, and it is, because we’re getting a look at all kinds of
beliefs, and everybody is kidding around, saying that they want the “it
matters not” card, and how that’s a really rare card to have. You
may see it once in a while, but you can’t really hang on to it, keep it
in your wallet and have it be yours.
ELIAS: (Chuckling) The disappearing expression!
CAROLE: (Laughing) The other thing is, I’ve always had a
hard time myself personally with being real nicey-nicey, and it always
seems to me that when people are doing that, they’re just playing a game.
I’m more direct and candid, but I don’t know, sometimes I think I should
play the nicey-nicey game.
Something just happened at work, where I didn’t handle it as well as
I could have with an employee. I had to tell her something that she
needed to know, and she said that I hurt her feelings and I was rude.
Well, I just didn’t do the nicey-nicey thing, you know? That’s kind
of like religious belief systems, isn’t it? They have just sort of
permeated, or am I wrong? It’s like being good, and making sure you
do all the strokes with everybody before you tell them something?
ELIAS: There are many influences associated with aspects of religious
belief systems that are quite influencing in your expressions of acceptability
and etiquette ...
CAROLE: Yeah, exactly. (Elias chuckles)
ELIAS: ... politeness, and what may be acceptable in expressions
and behaviors, and what may not be.
I may also express to you that each individual holds their own perception
in relation to these types of beliefs.
In this, in your movement into the expression of acceptance, you may
create an exercise within your interaction with other individuals, and
as you are interacting with other individuals, you may view the other individual
as you, regardless of what they are expressing to you, and view them as
YOU expressing what they are expressing to you.
CAROLE: So, see it as a mirror action.
ELIAS: No.
CAROLE: No?
ELIAS: For as you associate with mirror action, you have already
— most of you — created an identification that a mirror action is another
individual mirroring some expression to you that may be similar to your
expressions or your beliefs or your behaviors, but it may not necessarily
be the same.
You have quite creatively created an expression in this, that you offer
yourself an avenue of allowance in this mirror action, in which you may
manipulate the association of what is being mirrored, and you may allow
yourself to view the mirror action in what you choose to view.
Therefore, I am not expressing that you incorporate the association
of mirror action, but that you actually view the other individual as you.
Superimpose yourself upon the being of another individual.
CAROLE: And is it, in actuality, me? You know, there’s something
else I have in my notes here that I was going to ask you about, and it’s
exactly this subject that I keep wondering about. Whenever I have
an interaction with someone, and they may be acting one way but I’m thinking,
“Gee, they are really thinking this,” is that what’s really going on, and
is that because it’s me? And what’s them then? What’s them
when I’m having these interactions? And then I come back to the feeling
of, it’s all me!
ELIAS: It is.
CAROLE: It’s all me, and so everything that I experience, everything
that’s happening, everything that I am searching for or striving for, or
people that I meet or experiences that I have, it is all me!
ELIAS: Yes.
CAROLE: And that is like such a wild, incredible feeling! (Laughing,
and Elias chuckles) And you can’t ever be mad at somebody when you
know that. You can’t, ‘cause if I bring somebody into my life that’s
making me uncomfortable because there’s conflict, it’s me! I did
it!
ELIAS: Or you may be temporarily frustrated, so to speak, or even
irritated, but you are not creating the action of placing blame to another
individual.
CAROLE: Yeah, because the noticing and the realization is there,
and you realize that it’s an exercise in futility to be angry at other
people. (Elias chuckles) It’s not actual; it’s not true.
ELIAS: This also offers you an opportunity to view many aspects
of yourself within your own expressions and your own exhibition of behavior,
as you allow yourself to be accepting and assimilating what is being projected
to you.
CAROLE: It will help me to understand the expanded version of
myself.
ELIAS: Yes.
CAROLE: So, Elias, why am I giving myself all this pain in my
body, this fibromyalgia thing? Am I holding onto too much energy,
and it wants to explode out, so it just hurts ‘cause I try to hang onto
it or what? (Laughing, and Elias chuckles)
ELIAS: And this is your impression, that you are holding tightly
to your own energy, and therefore you are creating this expression of painfulness?
CAROLE: That’s what I’ve come up with ... that’s what I’ve come
up with. The other thing that I’ve come up with is that it’s my way
of making myself not do so much, you know, not drag my physical body all
over the place, but sort of stay put and maybe explore things in more of
a staying put fashion, but I’m not positive that that’s right, but that’s
one of the thoughts also that has come to me.
ELIAS: Now; you offer yourself that interpretation — in your terms,
staying put — that you may allow yourself to examine your own beliefs concerning
activity, and too much activity or not enough activity, and that both of
these expressions are what you term to be extremes, and extremes are unacceptable.
CAROLE: Which is a belief system.
ELIAS: Quite. This allows you the opportunity to view the
intricacies of the belief systems that you hold.
For in this, you create an expression or an identification within your
beliefs that a balance is achieved through the coming together, so to speak,
of the either/or expression. This is not necessarily the situation!
A balance is created in acceptance; which you need not be in actuality
altering your choice to be, in your physical terms, creating slowly or
creating within an accelerated pace, expressing an intensity of energy
outwardly or not expressing an intensity outwardly within your energy,
but in accepting of you, that this is your choice, and that one is not
better than another.
As you create the association of balance in relation to the coming together
of the either/or, what are you creating? The judgment upon the either/or.
CAROLE: And the judgment is the thing here.
ELIAS: Correct — the association with better, which is also the
automatic association that you are not better already, or that you must
be or need be striving to become better, and there is no better, for you
are already perfect. Therefore, how shall you improve upon perfection?
(Chuckling)
CAROLE: My husband, the new, infant, beginning focus, he already
has that. He knows that! The little bugger, he knows it! (Laughing,
and Elias chuckles)
ELIAS: I express to you also, another element of this expression
which you are creating is exhibited in relation to tension. You do
create a tremendous expression of tension — within yourself, within your
expression of energy, and within your translation of physical body.
You create this tension within your energy in association to what you term
to be your work, your family, your productivity, your accomplishments,
your philosophy, and your assessment of self, and in this, there are many
expressions of better or associations of better — how you may be accomplishing
better. This creates a tension within your energy.
CAROLE: Trying to be perfect.
ELIAS: Which you already are!
CAROLE: Damn! (Laughing)
ELIAS: Therefore, it is quite unnecessary to be holding to your
energy and creating this type of tension, and affecting of your physical
body form and its functioning in this continuous tension, and striving
to be better, even in the expression of attempting to be better at finding
the balance, so to speak.
CAROLE: Maybe I could try a method. I used to actually get
rid of tension by doing chants, although I haven’t done that in many years,
‘cause I don’t think I can just snap my fingers now and stop this.
ELIAS: I am quite understanding.
CAROLE: (Laughing) I wish I could!
ELIAS: (Chuckling) But you create your process, which is
acceptable also.
CAROLE: Yeah. That’s the thing with knowing that everything
is a belief system, ‘cause it’s very hard to do something and believe in
it when you know it’s just a belief system.
ELIAS: Ah! But it is not JUST a belief system. It
is the design of your reality!
CAROLE: And it is still how we create, right?
ELIAS: Quite, and in this, do not be discounting the belief systems
themselves either, for this reinforces your attempt to be striving to be
BEYOND the belief systems.
CAROLE: Ah, okay. Ooo, thank you for that one! Ha
ha! Bingo!
ELIAS: This is what I am expressing to you in the association
of balance — in the acceptance of what you already are creating, of what
you ARE, of the beliefs that you hold. This creates the balance;
not to be striving to move beyond what you are creating, or to be better,
or to be beyond your beliefs, but to be maneuvering yourself and your energy
WITHIN them, in acceptance of them, WITHOUT judgment. THIS is the
neutralization.
CAROLE: Oh! I threw the baby out with the bath water!
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha!
CAROLE: (Laughing) Thank you. Okay. Yeah, ‘cause
I’m not like going around materializing things whenever I want them.
I just am not! (Laughing) So okay, that’s good. I’ll use some
of my beliefs, ‘cause I used to really enjoy that chanting. It did
relax me. I’ll go back to that.
I have a question. I’m wondering ... kind of a twofold question.
My mother — who disengaged at the end of 1998 — you said, and I agree,
that she had many, many, many very strong belief systems that she was hanging
onto, and it was going to be a while before she entered into transition.
I’m wondering where she’s at, and I’m also wondering if some of her energy
reconfigured — or is reconfigured, ‘cause all time is simultaneous — as
my sister’s granddaughter. Because I met her, and it just felt like
some of that same energy, and I’m wondering if that’s something that happened.
(Pause)
ELIAS: There is an aspect of that focus’s energy which has assimilated
and is associated with this small one, but it is not what you may associate
with a type of reincarnation.
CAROLE: Good! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles) One Irma was
enough!
ELIAS: As for that particular focus, it continues to be creating
objective imagery and moving into a slight recognition of difference of
reality, recognizing that the objective imagery is not entirely configured
in the manner that it has been familiar with previously in physical focus.
But there is a continuation of creating objective imagery in association
with physical reality, and not quite an engagement in the action of transition
yet.
CAROLE: Well, that doesn’t surprise me. (Elias chuckles)
Do you have any little tidbits on parallel realities? I was listening
to a tape from this person, Ken Parker, who was really involved in the
Seth material, and he had split off. He was leaving from the IRS,
because they were after him, and he went to Mexico, and he says he knows
about all of his different realities, what happened to each one of them.
I’ve had similar experiences, but it started me thinking about it, and
that’s where I got the tree trunk analogy too, with the final focus, which
I thought was an interesting way of putting it.
But parallel realities — I have seen some realities of mine where I
continued in relationships that I was in before. I just wondered
if there’s anything you can think of that you haven’t mentioned on that
subject. It’s a very interesting, intriguing subject, parallel realities;
you know, choices that we didn’t make that continued on.
Now, there’s the earth that we’re familiar with, and there are, as I
understand it, just at different vibrational rates — correct me if this
isn’t right — other earths, but just at different vibrational rates, so
there would be different dimensions, and that our parallel realities have
existences in those, such as the one that the person on the bus saw of
me in Italy going up the road there?
ELIAS: In a manner of speaking.
CAROLE: Okay. And obviously, it’s all occurring simultaneously.
ELIAS: Correct. In actuality, I may express to you that
we may engage an entirety of an interactive session, so to speak, merely
discussing this subject! (Chuckling)
CAROLE: Yeah, I know. It’s a big subject, especially to
open at the end of a session! (They both laugh)
ELIAS: But in a manner of speaking, I may express to you that
your association of other earths, so to speak, is correct. There
are many, many, many parallel universes, so to speak, that all occupy this
space arrangement and are all very similar configurations. In your
physical viewing of them, they may appear almost identical, but the interactions
may be quite different, for each is being configured, in a manner of speaking,
as a type of alternate choice from this reality; this being, in your modern
terminology presently, your “main frame,” and other parallel realities
being those that have sprung from this reality.
CAROLE: Is this a main frame?
ELIAS: As to this particular physical dimension, yes. You
are not participating in your identification of an alternate reality ...
although to the alternate reality, you are an alternate reality! (Chuckling)
CAROLE: I remember being twenty years old and talking to my then
sister-in-law and saying to her, “I feel like I’m not awake. I can’t
understand it. It just feels like there’s something holding down
on the top of my head that I want to burst out of, because it feels like
I can’t experience everything that I know is here, and it’s driving me
crazy.” Of course, she just looked at me like I WAS crazy, but I
just knew that. It felt like if I could just take my head off, take
the top of my head off and get out and push out, I would understand it
all, but it felt like there was this thing that was tight, holding me in,
and I really hated that feeling. So, Elias, I really want to thank
you for helping to take the top of my head off! (Laughing)
ELIAS: HA HA! And you continue to be expanding, my friend,
in widening your awareness and allowing yourself experiences that you may
now recognize as merely different aspects of your reality. I shall
express to you encouragement in your continuation in your movement, and
I shall continue to be participating with you.
CAROLE: Ah, thank you. Thank you very much.
ELIAS: You are quite welcome. I anticipate our next meeting,
and our continuation in interaction.
CAROLE: Aye, that we will, and I will see you at the group session!
ELIAS: Very well! To you in tremendous affection, I express
au revoir.
Elias departs at 1:07 PM.
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