Friday, August 18, 2000-1
© 2001 (Private/Phone)
Participants:  Mary (Michael) and Jan (Mona).
Elias arrives at 12:00 p.m. (Arrival time is 22 seconds)

ELIAS:  Good morning!

JAN:  Good morning, Elias! (Elias chuckles)  I want to thank you for the phrase of, it matters not!

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome!

JAN:  I think it has solved just about all the conflict in my life! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!

JAN:  I want to ask you a couple of the quickest questions first.

ELIAS:  Very well.

JAN:  Okay.  About my color — this is a guess — violet-blue? (Pause)

ELIAS:  Yes, correct.

JAN:  Oh, yea! (Laughing)  And the tone — I like chords best, but when I have to isolate it, I come to the B that’s above middle C.  That feels good. (Pause)

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct.

JAN:  Oh, yea! (Laughing)

Okay.  I want to ask you ... before Mother Teresa died, I went through a thing for about six months where I thought about her a whole lot, which really doesn’t make sense because I’m not Catholic and I’m not into caring for the poor or anything like that, and I wondered if there was a connection between us at that time.  It went away when she died.

ELIAS:  I express to you, this has been your allowance of yourself temporarily to be connecting with objectively the energy of another individual as a focus of an essence that is familiar to you within consciousness.

In this, it is not what you would identify as a connection, in your terms, that you may view objectively, in sharing many focuses together or engaging a type of counterpart action, but rather that you have allowed yourself to become objectively aware of an expression of energy in relation to another essence.

Now; you translate this in an objective manner, which you have presented to yourself within thoughts, and briefly at times within slight feelings, so to speak.  But for the most part, you have created a translation into a thought pattern, that you may be aware of what you are creating within your interconnectedness of energy with that essence.

This provides you with a type of practice situation, in which you allow yourself to be aware of another individual that is physically unknown to you individually, but that you may become familiar with the expression of that individual, which provides you — if you are paying attention — with information as to manifestations of that essence.

Beyond the physical manifestation — once again, if you are allowing yourself to be paying attention futurely — you may recognize that as you allow yourself to be engaging this type of action, and you notice that you are creating a draw within your thoughts to a specific individual that you do not objectively interact with physically, you are allowing yourself to become familiar in objective terms with the energy expression of that essence which manifests in that particular focus or individual, as it may be known to you.

And in this, you become more familiar with the differences in expressions of energy, which allows you to more easily identify differences in energy between yourself and other individuals that you do interact with or that you hold counterpart action with.

Many times individuals become confused in attempting to objectively identify the difference between information that they are offering to themselves in their own impressions, or actions that they are creating themselves in expressions of their own energy, and the energy that may be expressed by other individuals.

These are opportunities for you to practice in familiarizing yourself with your expression of energy and how it moves, and the presentment in objective terms of your energy, and the difference of the expression of other individuals’ energies.

You have chosen an individual such as this particular individual, as this is what you identify as a public figure.  This creates an ease in identification of the differences of energy.  You create a distinction between yourself and that individual.

You also allow yourself, in a manner of speaking, to be figuratively stepping back, so to speak, in energy, removing yourself from the energy of that individual, that you may allow yourself to view the differences, and not confuse your energy with that individual’s energy.  Are you understanding?

JAN:  Yes, yes.  That’s interesting, that I did that ... well, not on purpose, but then it happened, and now I can see that that energy was very different from mine, and so it was easy to tell the difference.

ELIAS:  Quite.

JAN:  Let me ask you quickly about my sister.  Her name is Donna and I’ve asked you about her before.  Are you interactive with her?

ELIAS:  Yes.

JAN:  Yes.  I told her you were! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles)  Because we talk about you a lot, and even though she doesn’t have internet or anything, I give her the occasional transcript.  She’s choosing a good bit of trauma at this time. (Elias chuckles)  So, I give her the transcripts, ‘cause I think it helps just a little with what she’s choosing, and it does help her.

I want to ask you ... I’ve been trying to think, and I did want to ask you if I ever had any interactive thing with you without trying to think about it a lot first, and the only thing I can come up with is that if I ever did, perhaps it was in France in the Left Bank that they call Montmartre — there.

ELIAS:  Yes, you are correct, although I may express to you that I am interactive with you within time frameworks that you are not objectively concentrating your attention upon that action.

JAN:  Yeah, apparently not.  Once in a while I feel interactive with you, but it’s not that often.  Oh, and that brings up another thing.  You know, we have an Elias chatroom now online.  Do you ever or have you ever interacted with us there?

ELIAS:  At times.

JAN:  At times?  So sometimes, when we think we feel you, we do.

ELIAS:  Yes.  I am not interactive with your creations of your machinery, so to speak.

JAN:  No, I meant that sometimes we feel like you’re there.

ELIAS:  Yes.

JAN:  It just feels like that.

ELIAS:  Yes.

JAN:  Yeah, not doing anything with the machinery, no.

ELIAS:  I am interactive with you individually, yes.

JAN:  Yeah, like sometimes one of us feels you and the other one doesn’t, or something like that.

ELIAS:  Correct.

JAN:  Okay.  My big question for today is, I am going to Nepal in a couple of weeks.  It’s a totally different culture — belief systems, et cetera, everything.  This trip came together with incredible ease.  It’s like it’s just happening, even though I know I have created it somehow.  I had never even imagined going to this country, and now I’m going over there, and I’m going to stay in a Buddhist monastery for part of the time, which is way out in left field for me.  I was wondering, when I am there ... do I have another focus there?  Is there anything I can do particularly, in trying to observe?

ELIAS:  You may, if you are so choosing.  You do engage in another focus of your essence in this physical location and within a similar expression of culture, although not entirely the same, for the time framework is different.  Therefore, there are different influences associated with time in relation to culture.  But you may allow yourself an openness in your adventure, and you may be accessing information as to your participation in other focuses in this particular physical location.

Let me express to you, [in] holding your attention within this reality in this now, you may be offering yourself other information, which may be equally useful and beneficial to you, which may not necessarily be in relation to other focuses of your essence.  But in the observation of the individuals and the environment in this location, and the interaction with that culture and the recognition of the beliefs that are expressed by these individuals, you may be offering yourself an opportunity to be engaging your periphery and creating more of an ease in your movement into acceptance.

Let me express to you, you all participate in creating a reality in relation to your beliefs.  This is expressed — without exception — throughout your planet.  You express different types of manifestations of your beliefs, but you all engage the same basic belief systems.  Therefore, in that recognition, you may allow yourself the opportunity to view the different types of expressions that are created in relation to the same beliefs.

For as I have stated previously, within your physical dimension, there are in actuality merely ten belief systems.  These are shared by all individuals throughout your planet.  They may be expressed differently, for the individuals and the societies, the cultures, may choose to be aligning with different aspects of the beliefs, or they may be aligning with the same aspects of beliefs and they may be choosing to express them differently, for you all engage numberless expressions of creativity.  Therefore, you also hold the ability to be expressing each of these belief systems in many different fashions, so to speak.

But in allowing yourself the recognition that the belief systems themselves are the same, although the expressions of them may be manifest differently, you may allow yourself to be opening more to your periphery and recognizing the similarities in the expression of difference, and therefore allowing yourself more of an opening into the expression of acceptance, not merely within self, but in relation to other individuals also.

JAN:  Yes, I thought it would be a real challenge to my acceptance!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha!

JAN:  I mean, I can be respectful and quiet, but acceptance is a whole different thing.

ELIAS:  And you may be challenging yourself in this adventure!

JAN:  Yes, I can’t wait!

ELIAS:  Allow yourself also to be playful and to be creating fun in this adventure, rather than moving in this new discovery and exploration in solemnness and seriousness, for in playfulness, you offer yourself much more of an expression of freedom, and more of an ease to be moving into the expression of acceptance.

JAN:  Okay.  Was there ever really a Buddha?  Was there a person that we now call Buddha?

ELIAS:  Yes.

JAN:  Or I guess there still is, right?

ELIAS:  Yes.

JAN:  (Laughing)  So it’s not ... you know, you told us about Jesus, so I looked to see if you had ever said anything about Buddha, but I couldn’t find it.  I just wondered if it was a put-together mythical character, or if it really was.

ELIAS:  I shall express to you, in like manner to the individual that is identified as Jesus, this individual that you identify as Buddha has been set, in a manner of speaking, as a figurehead or a focal point, and aspects of beliefs have been incorporated in relation to the individual and have been expanded upon in relation to the individual.

Therefore, there are some expressions and aspects of the philosophy that are connected, so to speak, to this individual that have been created en masse by other individuals, and may not necessarily be accurate as to the movements and the creations of the individual himself.  But once again, it matters not.  The individual has chosen in agreement to be viewed as the focal point for a philosophy.

JAN:  Oh, okay.  I hadn’t thought about it that way.  So, they agree to be a focal point.

ELIAS:  Yes, in like manner to any other individual that facilitates a movement, so to speak, in the position as the focal point.

Now; understand that as I am expressing to you the terminology of facilitation, I am not expressing that the individual[s] themselves [are] in actuality facilitating or creating mass movements individually themselves.

JAN:  They just agree to let it happen.  Is that right?

ELIAS:  They are not agreeing to the allowance for the happening either.  They are in agreement WITH the happening.  They are not allowing it TO happen, for they are not manipulating that tremendous expression of energy individually.

They are participating themselves in the mass movement, and are in agreement with the mass movement to be a recognizable focal point, and therefore allow themselves — not allowing the other movement but allowing themselves — to be viewed in the position of the focal point, such as an individual as Jesus or any of these individuals that you recognize in Christianity as apostles, or individuals within what you identify as modern history in the expression of Gandhi or your Princess recently disengaged, or even Michael, which participates in this energy exchange with myself.  These are all individuals that have agreed to allow themselves to be viewed as a focal point in relation to movements of energy in mass expression, and also in relation to certain expressions of philosophy.

JAN:  Okay.  I think I get it, more or less.  When I hear the tape, I’ll get it all the way.  I listen to your tapes all the time! (They both laugh)  I get more out of them each time, because I hear things that I didn’t hear before. (Elias chuckles)

Is there any chance — there doesn’t seem to be — that we will get to go to Tibet, which IS somewhere I’ve always wanted to go?  Do you see any probability of that happening?

ELIAS:  I may express to you that within the probabilities that you are creating presently, there is a potentiality to be creating of this movement.  But I shall also express to you, once again, as always, this is your choice! (Grinning)

JAN:  Right, right.  And in the end, it really doesn’t matter, as you say.  But I think it’s exciting to consider!

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  And if you are so choosing to be creating of that movement, so you shall!

JAN:  Okay, we’ll see where it goes when I get there.

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha!

JAN:  I’ve got my pictures and everything ready, just in case!

I want to ask you about my millions of skin rashes I get.  This has been going on for years and years and years.  I have unknown rashes.  I get chigger bites, I get bug bites, I always have something that’s itching!  It doesn’t usually show — once in a while it does, but it’s not something I usually exhibit to other people.  I’m getting kind of tired of creating the same problem over and over, and I don’t want to exchange it for one of pain, but I wonder, what is my payoff here?

ELIAS:  I may express this to you quite simply.  This is your physical manifestation which creates an automatic turning of your attention to self.

Now; you may, if you are so choosing, discontinue this method, so to speak, of gaining your attention and turning your attention to self, in allowing yourself to be objectively holding your attention more clearly with self in the moment.  This shall be a challenge in your reality, for you are correct — you have incorporated this physical action for much time framework to BE turning your attention to self, and it is efficient!

JAN:  It is extremely efficient!  When you’re itching, your attention goes there! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  Quite!  And notice what your attention is accomplishing in these moments, for it not merely turns to the physical action of engaging this itching, so to speak, but you also are turning your attention away from outside interactions.  Your attention becomes what you term to be divided.

Even within time frameworks in which you are engaging outside activity or interactions which you view to require what you express as your full attention, you shall not offer your full attention, for your attention becomes divided in the attempt to be turning your attention to self.

JAN:  That’s true.  In the middle of my work or interacting with other people, this occurs! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  Quite!

JAN:  And then I’m thinking, I’m itching to death.  I’ve got to get away so I can scratch.  But at the same time, I don’t want to just run off and leave whatever is going on.

ELIAS:  (Intently)  This is a very efficient indicator to you, in quite physical terms and objective expression.  And in this, as you allow yourself to become more familiar with you and your energy, in the moments that you begin noticing this action occurring physically, you may also be allowing yourself the noticing of what you are engaging, of OTHER expressions of your physical body expression, which automatically tenses and automatically alters in certain expressions.

Your physical senses become more acute.  Your physical breathing alters.  Your physical body muscles begin tensing, and this translates within your thoughts into an uncomfortableness.  You may allow yourself to be noticing all of the physical aspects that you incorporate OTHER than the actual itching, and you may notice what you are engaging within the moment in the outside situation.

JAN:  Hmm.  I get that.  This will be fun to do, and I’m sure I won’t have to wait very long for it to occur! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha!  And you may also allow yourself the recognition — in reality — that you are creating this, and that you do hold the ability to alter this creation in the moment through your awareness, and in allowing yourself this awareness, you alter your perception.

As you continue to view this as merely a manner in which to gain your attention and as an irritation, you create an outcome in the energy expression in that moment, not a continuation.  The outcome is to be expressing merely the irritation, rather than allowing yourself to be accepting of the expression as a momentary action that gains your attention to be moving your attention into a different direction.

JAN:  This will be something to play with.  I’ve always known that I could change this, if I could just figure out how. (Elias chuckles)  But then I start getting desperate! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  Ah, and the desperation perpetuates the action!

JAN:  Yeah.  So the best thing I can do, really, is turn my attention to something else altogether, if possible.

ELIAS:  And this is the point, for this is what you are expressing to yourself.  You are attempting to be gaining your attention to allow yourself to turn your attention to self and move your attention in a different direction.  This IS the point of what you have created.  Therefore, I express to you once again, it is quite efficient!

JAN:  (Laughing)  It is quite efficient, yes!  It’s one of my most compelling things.  I want to ask you briefly about my daughter, who has lymphoma problems, swelling in her feet and legs, and why she is creating that.  Is it the same type of thing?

ELIAS:  Partially.  You all create physical exhibitions to be gaining your attention objectively in some manner of expression.

Now; I may also express to you that this individual is creating of this particular expression to be slowing her movement.  It creates an inhibition, and therefore it inhibits her physical movement, which is the objective outward expression of her creation of her want to be slowing her movement.

JAN:  So when she gets it slow enough, do you think it will get better? (Laughing)

ELIAS:  I may express to you that as she is choosing to slow her movement, and recognizing of this and accepting of that and not creating conflict within self, expressing two different directions simultaneously, yes, at that point, it may alter.

But within this present now, there is a conflict which is occurring in the creation of this manifestation to be slowing her movement, and simultaneously holding an aspect of beliefs objectively that this is bad, and that movement, to be efficient, should be increased, and therefore there is a frustration which is created, and this perpetuates the creation of the physical manifestation.

JAN:  Okay.  So, maybe I could try to talk to her just a little bit about this, and see where it goes.

ELIAS:  If you are so choosing.

JAN:  She’s pretty open to these kinds of things.  I don’t force it, you know, in that my daughter should need to believe what I believe. (They both laugh)  They’re gonna create their own lives, in whatever they need or whatever they’re doing.

ELIAS:  Quite, and all that each of you creates IS purposeful.

JAN:  Yes, I’m beginning to realize that, but I can’t get the purpose always. (They both laugh)  It’s like, why in the world did I do that? (Elias chuckles)

What’s the payoff for my smoking?  I need to stop before I go to the Buddhist monastery, and it’s not working.

ELIAS:  And what is your impression?

JAN:  I know it relaxes me.  I feel like I can handle anything if I have a cigarette in my hand.  I don’t know any of the other things, other than perhaps it’s a physical addiction, which is in my mind.

ELIAS:  And these are your beliefs, and this is the influence upon your perception, and therefore, this is what you create.

JAN:  This is what I create.  Where do you go to change your beliefs or perception?

ELIAS:  You allow....

JAN:  I know what I believe and I know that’s what causes it, but I don’t know, even with a belief that’s not efficient to me, or seems not to be, how to change it.

ELIAS:  First of all, you allow yourself the recognition of the belief.  As you allow yourself the recognition of the belief, you allow yourself movement into addressing to that, recognizing all of the aspects of judgments that you place upon these beliefs.  You allow yourself the identification and the recognition of why you create this particular belief.

You may be creating an action within your reality that you may identify as merely a preference.  You create a particular action for the reason that you prefer or you enjoy a particular action, and you may enjoy what you create in your reality as you engage a particular action or expression, such as the intake of any particular substance within your reality.  It may be any particular chemical, so to speak, the consumption of a particular plant, this action of smoking; it may be with what you identify as alcoholic substances — it matters not.

(Intently)  Innately within themselves, they are merely a physical creation that you have incorporated into your physical reality, and they produce within themselves no actual beneficial or harmful action.  In themselves, they are neutral.  But YOU all create beliefs in association with these different physical expressions or creations, so to speak.

Therefore, you may engage the action of smoking, so to speak.  The tobacco, or even the chemicals that are incorporated into your modern production of tobacco within your present now, within themselves do not hold innately harmful qualities.

But although you engage this activity, for you hold a preference in relation to this action of smoking of tobacco, and although you create a manifestation of your perception in your reality of pleasure in relation to this action of smoking, you also incorporate the influence of underlying beliefs that this action is innately harmful.

You align with that mass belief system, and therefore you create other expressions in association with that.

Now; as you allow yourself to identify the aspects of beliefs that you hold in relation to this action of smoking, you may also allow yourself to be addressing to those aspects of beliefs.

Now; in quite objective terms, you may allow yourself experimentation.  Be playful!  Allow yourself to explore and experiment with your own abilities in manipulation of your reality.

In this, what I am expressing to you is that if you are objectively desirous of creating an action — such as discontinuing this participation of smoking as an example — you may allow yourself to play with the aspects of beliefs that you hold; first recognizing them and identifying them, and then allowing yourself to be experimenting with them, turning your perception and creating other actions, and in these other actions, allow yourself to recognize how you create physical exhibitions in relation to your expectation.

If you are temporarily suspending your action of smoking, and you hold the expectation that this shall be creating discomfort, you shall create that.

JAN:  (Laughing)  Yeah, I’m pretty good at that!

ELIAS:  But you may play with your own beliefs and your own expectations, and you may allow yourself temporary and momentary experiments with your own expectations, turning your perception and expressing to yourself, “I shall hold the expectation temporarily that my experience shall be different.”

And each time you allow yourself movement in this type of experimentation, and you allow yourself to view that you in actuality do hold the ability to be creating that, you reinforce your own validation of self and your trust in self that you in actuality are not victim to the substance of tobacco, but that you actually create the substance of tobacco.

Innately, it is an element of you.  It is a product of you.  Therefore, it is an expression of you, and not separated from you.  It may not be harmful to you, as it IS you.  It may only be harmful to you as you allow yourself the belief that it is harmful to you, and therefore you create that influence upon your perception, and your perception creates that as your reality.

JAN:  I think what it is ... it’s more that it’s other people’s perception that my smoking affects their health, their reality. (Laughing)

ELIAS:  And this is not....

JAN:  And they allow me to do that!

ELIAS:  Ah, but this is not your responsibility, to be focused upon the choices of other individuals, OR to be moving in the direction of allowing other individuals to dictate to you your reality.  YOU choose your reality.  In this, you may be choosing to be compliant with the choices of other individuals, or you may not.

JAN:  (Laughing)  And it’s more difficult all the time, with the tobacco police out there!

ELIAS:  (Chuckling)  And I may express to you that you may allow yourself the objective viewing that these are expressed en masse quite strongly in your beliefs in your culture, and in some other cultures also, but not within all cultures.

JAN:  Alright.  Maybe I just need to move!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha ha!

JAN:  (Laughing)  To where it is quite acceptable!

ELIAS:  This is another example of what we have been discussing earlier in your adventure in your trip, that you may allow yourself to view that you all hold the same belief systems, but you express them outwardly differently, and the differences in the expressions of the beliefs, as influenced by different aspects of the beliefs, create actual differences in realities.

Therefore, you may look to your reality within your culture, your society, in the physical location that you have chosen to be manifest and participating within, and the mass belief systems that are expressed and the influence of those beliefs upon the perceptions within your society, and how this creates actual manifestations and reality within your society, and how that may not be expressed or created within a different society.

Within your society, you place great emphasis upon the perception of certain physical expressions.  You place great emphasis upon the fear that certain outside substances may be detrimental or harmful to your physical expression, your physical body consciousness, and as you hold that in mass belief, you influence your perceptions, and you DO in actuality create a reality of physical affectingness in association with those elements that you view to be bad.

JAN:  I gotcha.

ELIAS:  Within other societies, individuals may engage the same activity with the same elements, the same substances, in relation to their physical body consciousness, and not create the expressions or the affectingnesses or the dis-ease that you create.

JAN:  I agree, and I hate to cut this short, but our hour is up.

ELIAS:  Very well, my friend!

JAN:  I really enjoyed this, and thank you so much for being with me when I need you! (Laughing)

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome, and I express to you encouragement and an offering of energy that you may be engaging in your adventure!

JAN:  Thank you.  I’ll call you when I get back!

ELIAS:  Ha ha ha ha!  And I shall anticipate our interaction upon your return! (Chuckling)

JAN:  Yes, and subjective interaction while I’m there.

ELIAS:  Yes!

JAN:  Yes!  Okay, thank you, Elias.

ELIAS:  You are quite welcome.  I express to you in great affection ...

JAN:  To you too.

ELIAS:  ... au revoir.

JAN:  Au revoir.

Elias departs at 12:59 p.m.

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