Tuesday, May 22, 2001 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Katie (Muriel)
Elias arrives at 11:33 AM. (Arrival time is 21 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

KATIE: Good morning!

ELIAS: (Chuckles) We meet again!

KATIE: Yes, it's been awhile!

ELIAS: What shall we discuss this morning?

KATIE: I have a few little questions and some Game entries, and there's some other things I want to ask about that you might expound on a little bit.

ELIAS: Very well.

KATIE: Let me ask a couple questions for my kids first.

ELIAS: Very well.

KATIE: Elizabeth is thinking that she has a focus as a dolphin. (Pause)

ELIAS: Correct.

KATIE: Oh, really? Is that in the current time period?

ELIAS: Slightly future.

KATIE: Future? She figured this out because she's always all her life had a tremendous fear of sharks. Is that a bleed-through of this?

ELIAS: Partially - yes, you are correct.

KATIE: My sons Aldo and Anthony would like to know the number of focuses they have in this dimension.

ELIAS: First individual, total numbering 923.

KATIE: I figured he was an old soul.

ELIAS: Second individual, 641.

KATIE: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

KATIE: I think I've connected with - I'm not sure of the right terminology for this - but my color, my color signature as being sage green.

ELIAS: Correct!

KATIE: I also find I have a real strong attraction to a deep plum. Where is that coming from?

ELIAS: This would be an identification of the primary color expressed in energy within this focus.

KATIE: So the sage green is my essence...

ELIAS: Correct.

KATIE: ...and the deep plum is my focus. Okay! I have these colors all through my apartment. I really like them! (Laughs, and Elias chuckles)

Some time ago I asked you about a dream in which I had a conversation with whom I believed to be Alexander, and I asked you if this was in the City, and you said no. But I wasn't sure which you said no to. Was it to Alexander, or was it to the City, or was it to both?

ELIAS: The physical location of this City.

KATIE: So it was Alexander?

ELIAS: Correct.

KATIE: I recently came across a picture of a bust of Marcus Aurelius, and the figure that I saw in this dream looked identical. He was bearded, unlike Alexander is usually portrayed.

ELIAS: I am understanding. Let me express to you that what you have interacted with is the energy expression, or energy deposit, of this individual. Therefore, you also create your individual imagery, which may not necessarily be identified objectively in alignment with a specific individual. But this does not invalidate the interaction, which has been created with the energy deposit of the individual.

KATIE: Okay, that makes sense. I have a couple of Game entries in the category of "Authors." I'd like to connect Thomas Troward with Sumafi.

ELIAS: One point.

KATIE: Excellent! And in the same category, Ernest Holmes with Tumold.

ELIAS: Now; may I express to you the encouragement to be offering the second entry again within a different time framework, for within this present time framework I am compliant with the agreement that you all have created physically in offering one entry within one time framework.

KATIE: So I can only make one entry per session?

ELIAS: Correct. (Laughs) Although, I shall be encouraging of you to be remembering of this second entry and to re-offer that entry.

KATIE: Okay, I didn't know about that little rule. We'll move on, then.

There have been a couple of times I've asked you about various manifestations and thinking of them as ghosts, and you had told me that this would not be a classic haunting, but it was something else. So now what I am wondering is, what constitutes a classic haunting? (Pause)

ELIAS: I may express to you that in this identification of terminology, there is an interaction that is created between the individual, or individuals, that occupy a physical space within your physical dimension and an energy deposit of an individual or several individuals that have previously occupied that space arrangement and have created their energy deposits within that space arrangement, but have disengaged.

Now; as you are aware, you all create energy deposits continuously within your space arrangements.

Now; at times, you within physical focus may be open in your reception and noticing of energy, and allow yourself to be interactive with those energy deposits of other individuals. In actuality, your interaction with that energy is what creates the physical manifestations of movement that you objectively view. For without your interaction, these energy deposits are present but do not create physical manifestations. Are you understanding?

KATIE: So at the Amityville house, nothing happened after the people that had all of that stuff going on; nothing happened to the people that moved in afterwards. They didn't experience any of it. Is that kind of what you're talking about?

ELIAS: Yes, for it is dependent upon the individuals within your physical focus and their interaction with the energy deposits. If an individual is not interactive with the energy deposits, there is no physical manifestation which is created.

KATIE: Okay, that's pretty clear! (Laughing) I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

I read in a session that's been transcribed recently that you offered a method to a fellow on connecting with other focuses, and you mentioned calling upon the Gates of Horn. I'm wondering what that's about. Are these like magic words?

ELIAS: (Laughs) In a manner of speaking, in your terms. In actuality this is a method, so to speak, of incorporating a focal point. As you allow yourself this suggestion and concentrate your direction of attention with this term, you allow yourself, in relation to your beliefs, access to a portal; and therefore you incorporate this term, not as an object or a thing or a place, but as a focal point of your attention, which allows you to create the portal that you may move through into other areas of consciousness and direct your attention in the presentment of allowing yourself to view other focuses or other dimensions or any other area of consciousness that you do not necessarily allow yourselves to view within your objective awareness, for the most part.

KATIE: I tried it the other night - it didn't work very well for me. (Elias laughs) I seem to have a lot of trouble with that. I think I've only really had one lucid dream and that was only like maybe a month ago.

ELIAS: But I may express to you, Muriel, that this is, as you have identified, a method and an action that may be incorporated by some individuals in allowing them to trust themselves through a focal point that within their associations they view to be outside of themselves.

Therefore, in your terms, yes, it may be identified as a magic trick, so to speak, for in actuality I understand the association that the individual is creating and their underlying expression of viewing this focal point as being a thing outside of themselves which shall magically create for them the allowance of the movement that they are choosing. With yourself, you allow yourself this type of movement objectively. Therefore, there is no necessity to be incorporating this type of method.

KATIE: Well, yes, I do access a lot of stuff objectively, but I sure would like a little more freedom in my dream state. It seems like I'm just along for the ride. (Elias chuckles) Is there some reason why I have so little objective awareness in dreams?

ELIAS: I may express to you that this type of action is in actuality quite frequently created in association with your orientation. Individuals of this orientation generally, although not always, create less of an objective recall of dream activity and dream imagery, for your perception and attention is directed to the objective imagery and manifestations. Therefore, you do create dream activity and imagery, but what you pay attention to is the mirror action that is created in objective imagery.

KATIE: So it's just an orientation thing.

ELIAS: To a great extent, yes, you are correct, and I may also express to you, my friend, that it matters not. Your dream imagery mirrors or parallels what you create in objective imagery. Therefore, you may be an individual that is recalling of your dream activity and imagery quite often, for this is the manner in which you communicate and allow yourself an understanding of your communication within your particular focus, or you may not be creating this action. But it matters not. It is your individual direction and manner in which you pay attention to your individual communications with self.

I may express to you, individuals that do engage a recall objectively of dream interaction and imagery are not necessarily more in tune with what they are creating or that they offer themselves more information than individuals that do not offer themselves an objective recall of dream imagery. It is not necessarily more efficient to be recalling dream imagery. What is significant is that you do create that, regardless of your objective recall of it or not.

KATIE: Another question: you've said a number of times that imagination is real, and I'm wondering about particular works of fiction and if they're tapping into something else that exists perhaps in another dimension, or if it's an interpretation of something in another dimension. I'm thinking particularly of the "Dune" series and the "Lord of the Rings" series. Do these exist in some reality?

ELIAS: Yes, although I may clarify to you that they are also translations and interpretations, and therefore are not quite literal in association with other realities. They are created in the type of translation that fits within your physical reality and your physical dimension.

KATIE: So this is an interpretation of a tapping into another dimension?

ELIAS: Yes.

KATIE: So there really are Bene Gesserit, (Elias chuckling) or something similar to that? I feel a real strong connection with the Bene Gesserit in the "Dune" series. Would this be a dimension that I have a focus in?

ELIAS: Yes, although be remembering, this is an interpretation and a translation. It is not literal. It is similar, but it is reconfigured to fit within the known associations within your physical dimension.

KATIE: Okay, cool! My son Aldo has expressed an interest in talking with you sometime. He's just eight years old. I'm a little ambivalent about it. I guess it doesn't really matter what his motivation is, whether it's a genuine interest or whether he wants to do it just because his sister has. But I would kind of like to hear your take on it.

ELIAS: What is the identification of your apprehension?

KATIE: No, I know what my apprehension is about! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Which is? (Pause)

KATIE: Well, as to whether he'd get anything out of it or not, and if he doesn't then it would be a waste of my money.

ELIAS: Ah!

KATIE: (Laughing) I so seldom get to talk to you, and I don't want to give that up that easily!

ELIAS: I am understanding.

KATIE: That's my apprehension. Does he have any connection with that French Revolution focus, that chapter focus?

ELIAS: Yes.

KATIE: He does? So he would naturally be drawn to the Elias forum then?

ELIAS: Not necessarily, for there are individuals that have also participated in that focus and have not drawn themselves to this forum presently. But I may express to you, you are correct in your identification.

In objective terms, it matters not what his objective motivation is in his want to be interactive with myself. I may assure you that no individual draws themself to this interaction within this forum without an actual energy exchange and offering themselves a benefit.

KATIE: Is that why my minister David didn't hang around to talk to you? Is that why that was created?

ELIAS: Yes. Individuals shall draw themselves to this forum and shall actually participate in this energy exchange as in alignment with their movement, their attention, and their desire. If the individual does not hold a genuine desire in relation to their direction of exploration to be interactive in this forum, they shall not be.

KATIE: Has Aldo done this?

ELIAS: Created an interaction with myself already? Yes. (Pause)

KATIE: I've used up all my questions already (both laugh), and we're only halfway through - except for one, one that I was saving for last and hoping to avoid.

ELIAS: Ah!

KATIE: (Laughing) I must have really been hoping to avoid it, because I allotted a whole half hour for it. (Both laugh)

It's on relationships. I seem to be going round and round in them lately, not really creating what I would like. I'm feeling pretty lonely a lot of the time. I've been working on connecting more with self and getting my needs met from within, and I'm wondering why I'm just not going anywhere with that.

ELIAS: Very well. Shall we explore this subject matter?

KATIE: Yes.

ELIAS: First of all, may you identify the emotional communications that you have been offering to yourself?

KATIE: (Sighs) Well, there's a lot. I mean, a lot of the time objectively I'm offering communication that's very discounting of self, and other times I'm making an attempt to offer communication to myself that it's okay where I'm at, and that this is just fine, I don't have to be in a partnership with anybody.

ELIAS: Correct. But this also is an expression that you offer to yourself to be appeasing yourself, for the expression remains within you of this want and the confusion as to your lack of creation of this want.

Now; in relation to that, identify in correlation with your emotional communications that you offer to yourself, what are you creating within yourself in denial of your choice? What is the association that you view in denying yourself your choices, and therefore turning your attention outside of yourself to be gaining or attaining what you view yourself to not already hold? Are you understanding?

KATIE: Not really.

ELIAS: Very well. I may express to you, you identify a generalization of your communications to yourself as being discounting of yourself.

KATIE: That I need somebody outside of me.

ELIAS: To be offering the expression of what you want that you are not offering to yourself. But what I am expressing to you is that you allow yourself to more specifically examine what you want and what you are denying yourself in your choices to be creating that want.

I am not expressing to you that you replace the want of a relationship with another individual with some other expression. What I am expressing to you is that you allow yourself to examine different aspects of your beliefs concerning what you want in the creation of the relationship between yourself and another individual. What are you creating within self in your associations and your expressions of your beliefs that hinder your ability to be creating what you want?

My inquiry to you, prior to my offering of information to you concerning your actual creations individually, is shall you first of all attempt to express to me any identification of what you view as an association that hinders your ability to be creating what you want?

KATIE: You're asking what I view as what is hindering me from creating this?

ELIAS: Correct.

KATIE: That's the part I don't get. I don't understand what's hindering me. I don't know how or why I'm hindering myself in this area. I feel like I'm doing what I should be doing.

ELIAS: Very well. Now; in allowing yourself to be identifying more specifically, choose one - it matters not - choose one emotional communication that you have offered to yourself that you may identify the signal of.

KATIE: Okay ... that I'm not worthy of it. (Pause)

ELIAS: Very well. In this signal, what is the message that you are offering to yourself?

KATIE: (Sigh) Just what I said, that I'm not worthy of the kind of relationship I want.

ELIAS: Very well. In this...

KATIE: I don't know anything more specific.

ELIAS: This is acceptable. (Gently) This is the exploration that we are creating together. I am not expressing an expectation to you that you must be or should be recognizing or identifying. I am merely offering the question that you may attempt, and if you are not receiving the message in the communication, this is acceptable, for we are engaging together the exploration.

You have identified a generalization in your objective association that you view yourself to not be worthy of this type of creation.

Now; let me express to you that this is an expression that you have incorporated as the camouflage to your actual identification of the message that you are attempting to offer to yourself in your own communications.

Now; the message, in actuality, is concerning your trust of your individual ability to be creating. In this, the creation of a relationship in what you want is not in actuality concerning the other individual or any other individual, but what you allow yourself to be creating.

Now; in this, I may express to you, the doubt and the discounting is expressed once you have moved to a particular point of your own creations, for your belief, which influences your perception, is that you may be creating a certain expression to a point in the creation of a relationship with another individual. But once you have approached that point, the relationship shall depend upon the creation of the other individual, and it is no longer your creation. Therefore you create a "stop point." In actuality you create many stop points, for there is an expectation which is influenced by your belief that the creation of the relationship is created only in part by yourself, not in entirety.

Therefore, as you create a beginning movement in your expression of your want of a relationship with another individual, you may initiate some action and you stop, and you wait for the response of the other individual. If the response is what you perceive to be favorable or in alignment with your direction of creation, you shall allow yourself movement again, and you shall continue to create another movement of what you want with regard to the relationship. But subsequently again you stop, and you wait for the expression of the other individual.

Now; what you are creating in this action is a reinforcement within yourself that you do not create all of your reality, and that some aspects of your reality are dependent upon the choices of another individual. Therefore, in recognizing that action and those associations as influenced by your beliefs, you may explore further within yourself and identify what you are actually creating in the moment - and that is receiving the message of the emotional communication. And the message is that within the moment you have created a movement and you have created an expression through your own perception that your choices are dictated to by another individual's choices. Your choices, with regard to a relationship with another individual, are dependent upon the choices of the other individual.

You offer yourself this communication that you may recognize what you are creating within the moment, and therefore offer yourself the realization that you are denying yourself your choices and that you in actuality do hold choices and do hold the ability to be creating precisely what you want as you turn your attention to self and allow yourself to express that want in action.

KATIE: It sounds like I have some experimenting to do then.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) I may express to you, in one physical hypothetical example I may express that you may encounter another individual, and you may experience an attraction to this individual. You may create within yourself a want to be expressing an affection for this individual.

Now; what you create is an allowance of yourself to be expressing that want and that choice ONLY if the other individual is expressing a receptiveness to that expression or they are creating that expression to you which offers you permission to create your expression.

Now; if the other individual is not expressing that affection to you, your automatic association is that your choice is now denied, for your choice is dependent upon the choice of the other individual. This is incorrect. You may allow yourself your choice regardless of the expression of the other individual, for YOU are creating all of your reality.

If you are denying your choice dependent upon the expression of the other individual, what you are creating in your reality is precisely in alignment with your expectations. If you express to yourself that you cannot create a particular expression within your reality unless another individual is creating that expression or that choice, then you shall not create it.

KATIE: It sounds like you're suggesting I should just throw myself at people.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) This is not what I am expressing to you.

KATIE: I had a feeling it wasn't, but that's the way it sounded! (Laughing)

ELIAS: I am expressing to you that you may be paying attention to yourself and allowing yourself permission to create what you want to be creating and not depending...

KATIE: Not sitting around worrying about what the response will be.

ELIAS: Correct! For the response shall be what you create it to be.

KATIE: In alignment with my expectations.

ELIAS: In alignment with what you allow yourself to create, and in alignment with your perception - yes, and in alignment with your expectations. And the manner in which you objectively efficiently allow yourself to be creating this type of movement is to be paying attention to what you are creating, noticing your communications to yourself, and therefore allowing yourself the identification of what you are actually creating within the moment. For, this allows you the opportunity to view your choices, and the opportunity to recognize the expressions of hindrance that you are creating within the moment. You may recognize the expressions of denying your choices in the moment, and therefore you may offer yourself permission to create what you want.

KATIE: Okay, I'll try that. I'll try and pay a little more attention.

ELIAS: Recognize the triggers. This may be quite helpful, for you do create triggers in relation to your associations with denying your choices. As you encounter another individual and you begin interaction with them, allow yourself to be noticing, in a manner of speaking, the signals that are expressed by another individual that trigger an automatic response within you, an automatic association of a stop point.

KATIE: I know what that is - any perceived rejection from the other individual.

ELIAS: And in this, as you in the moment recognize the action occurring in the trigger and the automatic association, allow yourself to turn your attention to self and recognize that this is your stop point, and as you recognize this stop point...

KATIE: That it's me creating that stop point.

ELIAS: Yes!

KATIE: Their rejection of me is me creating that stop point.

ELIAS: Yes. Therefore, as you recognize this action, you allow yourself the opportunity to turn your perception, paying attention to self, and offer yourself permission not to be creating that stop point, and to continue to create what YOU want.

KATIE: I think I can work with that! (Elias chuckles) Okay, cool! Looks like we're just about out of time, too.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Quite efficient that you have reserved this question for this time framework! Ha ha ha ha!

KATIE: (Laughing) Fits in very neatly!

ELIAS: Ha! The question that you were hesitant in raising! Ha ha ha!

KATIE: (Laughing) It's fun how that works!

ELIAS: Ha ha! Offer yourself an acknowledgment, my friend, and playfully allow yourself to recognize your own ability to be creating precisely what you want, and it is not dependent upon the expressions or choices of other individuals. You may quite surprise yourself.

KATIE: Oh, cool! Then I can create a raise too!

ELIAS: If you are so choosing!

KATIE: (Laughing) I've been seeing that as my boss's choice!

ELIAS: Ah! And it is not, for this is YOUR creation, for you create your reality. Other individuals do not create your reality, and your reality is not dependent upon their choices.

KATIE: That is SO awesome! Okay, cool! I really have enjoyed this discussion today. Thank you so much!

ELIAS: You're very welcome, my friend. I anticipate our next meeting, and perhaps also in the engagement of the small one.

KATIE: Oh, I hope so.

ELIAS: My invitation is extended to you both.

KATIE: Well, great - thank you so much!

ELIAS: To you as always in tremendous affection and friendship, I express au revoir.

KATIE: Thank you, my friend.

Elias departs at 12:34 PM.

(1) This "agreement" about the Game originated in Session #200, 7/27/97, and can be found on pages 2 and 3 of that transcript. The agreement is that only one "one point" or "acceptable" entry is allowed per person per session; if you get a response of "less acceptable," you can keep making entries in that session.

(2) Refer to Session #674, 8/4/00, pages 6 and 7; the discussion is continued in #693, 9/18/00-1, pages 5 and 6.

(3) Katie's orientation is common.

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