Wednesday, August 8, 2001 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Frank (Ulra)
Elias arrives at 11:16 AM. (Arrival time is 26 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

FRANK: Good morning! Nice to talk to you again!

ELIAS: (Chuckling) And you also!

FRANK: Thank you! Let's see, as usual I have many things to talk about here today. I guess I would like to start by talking about the focus in Austria that we've discussed recently, which I tried to investigate a little bit. There are two things I wanted to ask you about. Number one, was this individual an architect or a painter or some kind of artistic-type person? (Pause)

ELIAS: In the field of architecture, although as an advisor.

FRANK: An advisor! I'm not sure what that means, but okay. Then the other thing that came to me that I'd like to question you about is the name of Wessel, which I think is W-E-S-S-E-L. Does that have anything to do with this focus?

ELIAS: Yes.

FRANK: Is that the person's name?

ELIAS: Yes.

FRANK: Ah, okay! Now let me ask you, something came to me about a first name, but then I realized that this was something I once read in a children's book, a person who had this name. The name is Manfred, but I'm not so sure that that is accurate.

ELIAS: In actuality, this is the name of another individual which is a friend of this individual.

FRANK: Manfred is the first name of the friend?

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: A close friend, I assume?

ELIAS: Yes.

FRANK: All right, well good, I'm getting some things here! Next I want to ask you about a couple of dreams. I don't remember either one of them very well, but let me tell you what I can pull out of it.

I had one dream where I believe I was with my wife or other members of my family. Anyway, we bought a new house and I was very happy with this house. I walked into this room which was at the back of the house, and the room was a circular room, and there was like a moat or a canal or water going around it. All of a sudden the water in that canal started moving very fast. It was like a big rush of water, and it started coming in the house. I remember feeling sort of unhappy or upset that this house wasn't as good as I thought it was. This is all pretty fuzzy to me, but that's my recollection of the dream, and I'm curious to know what that meant.

ELIAS: And your impression?

FRANK: My impression is that the house sort of represents some belief structures that I've got and the water represents, oh, I don't know, the shift or my growing awareness. It's sort of a metaphor for the fact that I'm starting to challenge some of the old belief structures.

ELIAS: And I may be acknowledging of you, for you are correct in your interpretation of your imagery. For in this particular dream imagery, what you are identifying in your movement is represented by the movement of the water, which is appearing to be encroaching upon the structure and filtering into the structure. The house, so to speak, is representative of the structure of your belief systems, and the awareness is moving into a mergence, in a manner of speaking, with these beliefs, allowing you an objective awareness of all of these aspects and therefore allowing you the opportunity to not necessarily erode this structure but to merge with it in an expression of acceptance.

FRANK: Ah! Which we've talked about many times in the past.

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: Are there any particular beliefs that this applies to?

ELIAS: Not necessarily.

FRANK: Now I'd like to ask you about another one. I had this dream last week. I remember almost nothing about the dream, but what did strike me as significant was either as I was coming out of the dream ... I was sort of in the area between consciousness and sleeping, or I had already sort of woken up and I was kind of falling back to sleep, which occurs every morning of my life. I noticed that wherever I was in this dream - it was in some room or something - all of a sudden at the end I noticed that there were like two girls, two young girls maybe like adolescents, sitting next to each other on a bench in the corner of the room, sort of watching everything. My impression was that they were sisters or maybe even twins, and they were in there watching during this whole thing but I didn't realize it until the very end, at that particular point in time. For some reason this seemed very significant to me, and I'm just curious as to what that was all about.

ELIAS: Offer your impression.

FRANK: My impression is either that it is some other aspect of myself, my essence, or perhaps some other essence or entities that sort of, I don't know, are in communication with me or in contact with me. I don't really have a very strong impression one way or the other.

ELIAS: (Laughs) I may express to you, what you have allowed yourself is a connection, in a manner of speaking, with two other essences that have been identified in this forum as twins - essence twins, in a manner of speaking. In this, the reason that you have allowed this experience is to allow yourself a recognition of the lack of separation regardless of physical proximity or objective interaction, and that you are viewing the interconnectedness and the allowance for subjective communication with other individuals within this forum, regardless of your objective expression of interaction with them.

What you have presented to yourself is a viewing of Michael and Lawrence. The reason you have chosen these essences is that they appear to be the representatives of this forum in objective expression, and therefore this offers you a validation of your participation and interconnectedness also in relation to the movement of individuals within this forum in commonality.

FRANK: Hmm! Well, that's pretty interesting! The way that I saw them, is that the way they appeared in some focus, or is that just my representation of them? (Pause)

ELIAS: This is an offering of appearance which is expressed by these two essences as one preference of displayed energy, not necessarily how they may choose to manifest in physical focus but the translation of an appearance in relation to a quality which is expressed in preference by these two essences.

FRANK: Hmm! Well, that was pretty interesting! (Laughs)

Actually, that sort of brings me to something else I'd like to talk to you about. Lately I've thought - and I guess over the years I've thought about this quite a lot - but I know that you have expressed in the past that, I guess, theoretically at least anyone can engage in the type of energy exchange that you and Michael are involved with. I'm curious to know how much success I could have doing that and what direction I should go to to try to develop that ability. Am I working on this already subjectively?

ELIAS: Express to myself, what is your motivation in moving into this particular direction?

FRANK: Oh, I guess pretty clearly I wish I could have the conversations I have with you every day on a regular basis. That's really what my motivation is, not to be a sort of a public person that does it the way Mary does, but just more for personal information is all.

ELIAS: I may express to you, my friend, that there are aspects of your essence which occupy other areas of consciousness that you may be accessing and allowing yourself this type of interaction, so to speak, or offering of information. In this, it is unnecessary to be engaging an energy exchange with another essence, for you may be accomplishing the same action in allowing yourself to access other aspects of your essence.

But I may also express to you that in actuality the movement in allowance for either of these directions or actions is very similar, for the manner in which you shall allow yourself to accomplish this type of action is to be allowing yourself an openness that shall facilitate the movement of energy to be received within your physical expression.

In actuality, the most significant requirement, so to speak, other than an openness within your individual focus is trust. This is the greatest factor, in a manner of speaking, that allows for the channeling, so to speak, of energy into your focus through other layers of consciousness, be it with another aspect of your essence or in an energy exchange with another essence.

FRANK: Is it easier to connect with your own essence?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes, within your physical dimension. For there are two elements that may be quite affecting in this particular type of action - one is the expression of familiarity, and fear. For in the engagement of your individual essence, you incorporate less fear for the energy is familiar. Therefore, there is less resistance in actual physical expression. There is more of an acceptance of energy in relation to your physical body consciousness. There is less interruption of your movement individually in different expressions concerning your physical focus, and therefore you may more easily allow yourself the openness and the relaxation to accept the expression of energy which you allow to filter through.

In the engagement of an energy exchange with another essence through layers of consciousness and mergence with you in your physical expression, there is much more of a resistance in relation to the physical body consciousness, for the energy is being merged with your focus in this physical dimension; and as you may not separate your physical body consciousness from other expressions of consciousness that you incorporate within your physical dimension - for your physical form is also another expression of you - there are specific designs of body consciousness which, in a manner of speaking, are geared to the expression of your energy signature. In this, the exchange with another essence is resisted by the physical aspects of your consciousness expression within your particular focus.

Therefore, yes, it is easier in your terms, or less difficult, to be engaging aspects of your individual essence and less affecting in a physical expression.

FRANK: Given that, can you give me any advice on how I can develop the two qualities that you talked about, openness and trust? Any advice on how I can develop those with regard to this particular issue?

ELIAS: I may express to you to continue in the movements that you are already presenting to yourself in exercises in trust. Allow yourself to be relaxing.

You may experiment and practice with allowing yourself brief projections. This may be engaged in playfulness, and as you allow yourself to trust that movement more, you also shall dissipate the expression of fear in relation to reception of other aspects of your essence. For the energy may appear to you - although subjectively familiar - objectively it may seem unfamiliar, and this may at times trigger an automatic response of uncertainty and fear.

Therefore as you allow yourself to practice with an activity such as projection, you allow yourself a validation of your ability to be moving more freely than you are accustomed to within actual objective physical movement, and you also allow yourself to encounter other expressions of energy. And as you practice, you validate to yourself that as you encounter unfamiliar energies you need not express an association with threat with regard to other energy expressions. This reinforces your expression of trust. For I may express to you, my friend, many individuals experience momentary allowances within an individual physical focus in which there is an expression of filtering other aspects of their essence into your layer of consciousness within your physical dimension.

Now; these momentary allowances are recognized but they are also many times discounted, for they are viewed as suspect or as an expression of imagination and therefore in your assessment not real, and engaging that allowance again is resisted by the individuals for this is the automatic expression on a lack of trust. Even individuals that have allowed themselves an objective recognition of engaging other aspects of their essence and channeling that energy into their movement and recognition within Regional Area 1, or individuals that recognize objectively that they engage an energy exchange with another essence, for the most part create challenge and struggle within themselves in the expression of their own trust in continuing that action, for there is expressed a consistent doubt as to the validity of what they are engaging.

Therefore, I express to you, trust is in actuality the greatest factor that shall allow or not allow you to engage this type of action.

FRANK: Again, just to make sure I understand, by trust you mean just trust that what I'm receiving is in fact a communication from my essence or some other essence, and not something that I'm making up.

ELIAS: Correct. The lack of doubt and questioning, allowing yourself an openness and the ability to relax to be receiving the energy transmission, so to speak, and not discounting of this and not expressing to yourself that this is an expression of your imagination and therefore invalidating what you are receiving.

And in this, you may practice in the expression of trust by allowing yourself to be engaging projections in simple exercises, perhaps allowing yourself to be engaging in games that other individuals within this forum have participated within in projecting their attention to physical locations that they may objectively verify, so to speak, and therefore validate themselves that they are in actuality accomplishing and [that] this is not what you define as merely your imagination but actually a genuine movement and accomplishment.

As you continue to validate your own movement and your own openness to that movement, you also reinforce your trust of yourself, which allows you to relax and allows you to express more of an openness in this expression of accessing other aspects of your essence.

FRANK: I will try that, then.

ELIAS: Very well!

FRANK: As you know, things are going quite well, relative to our last conversation. I assume that I'm making some pretty good progress with the belief system that I need to engage in struggle in order to achieve my goals.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! And offering yourself yet again another validation concerning relaxing and the efficiency of that one action.

FRANK: Yeah, I think I'm finally starting to figure that out! (Laughs)

ELIAS: This is much more affecting than many individuals realize within your physical dimension. For merely the action of allowing yourself to relax allows for much less thickness in energy and allows much more of an ease in your own individual movements, which in actuality also creates a natural by-product that most of you view to be positive, for you also quicken your movement - and you view moving more quickly as better! (Frank laughs and Elias chuckles)

FRANK: (Still laughing) Yes, I do, like most people! Boy, it's pretty incredible what's happened to me professionally since the last time we talked - kind of stunning how quickly things have moved and how much they've moved in a positive direction.

ELIAS: (Chuckling) And I am acknowledging of you, my friend! You may offer to yourself one point in your movement and your accomplishment!

FRANK: Well, thank you, but I already did that! (Elias laughs) And I got my new car, too!

ELIAS: Aha! (Chuckling)

FRANK: So yes, it's been really a great time, and things are going quite well. Let me ask you about a couple of other things that have occurred, and just see what your impression of it is or if yours is the same as mine.

About a month ago I was driving to a festival we have here in town, and it was very hard to find a parking spot. I turned down the street which was real close to it, and all of a sudden a guy pulled out right in front of me, and there was a parking spot! I thought this was great; I'd created a parking spot for myself. I pulled in, and I was happy and thrilled, and I went away to this thing. I came back two hours later, and there was a hundred-dollar parking ticket on my window! (Laughing) I'd parked in a handicapped zone, which was not normally a handicapped zone, but it's like a special street; they designate the whole street handicapped during that period, which I hadn't seen any of this.

And so I thought, "Hmm, why did I create this?" My first thought was that maybe this was a sort of message to myself, to kind of pay more attention to things. That's the first part. The second part of it is, I was getting ready to pay this ticket and I thought, "Well, I think I should go in and talk about this." So I went into the police station and I told my story about I how didn't realize that the area was where I shouldn't be parking and kind of pleaded my case, and the officer said, "Okay, fine," and disallowed the ticket and I didn't have to pay anything.

My impression of the second part is that it has to do with the beliefs that I've been working on lately about not incorporating struggle in terms of obtaining my goal, because really, it was a very easy thing to get the whole thing sort of dismissed. That's my take on it. Is that accurate? Is there more to it?

ELIAS: I may express to you, what you have also allowed yourself to be viewing in this experience is the expression of duplicity, the recognition that expressions within your objective reality are not always what they appear to be, and a validation to yourself that in actuality you do hold the ability to manipulate your energy and therefore also manipulate situations that you create to be accomplishing what you want.

For in this, you offer yourself first of all a situation in which you are, in a manner of speaking, searching for a specific thing, so to speak - a space to be parking your vehicle - and you in the moment present yourself with this very expression: a space, within your creation of it. But although you acknowledge yourself in the moment in creating what you want, you also - in alignment with your assessment of paying attention or not paying attention to what you are actually creating in the moment - you create an expression that is not quite it appears to be. (Frank laughs) Therefore, as you return, you have also created a reality in which you are dissatisfied with the outcome. But in this experimentation of allowing yourself to objectively view how you create your reality and that you actually DO create all of your reality, your scenario continues and you choose to be engaging an official and eliminating what you had created in expression which you assessed as unsatisfactory.

Therefore, you have allowed yourself a validation, a challenge, a slight conflict and an accomplishment, and you have also allowed yourself to view the process which you engage to accomplish all of these actions. Quite efficient, my friend!

FRANK: Well, thank you. I'm going to give myself another point!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha! (Frank laughs) And I shall be quite acknowledging of you! (Chuckles)

FRANK: (Still laughing) Okay, let me ask you about something else here. My oldest daughter has a boyfriend, who - it's kind of a long story - has spent a lot of time with her lately, and has been spending a lot of time at our house, and showed up on our vacation for a few days. There's been some degree of conflict over this. I'm just wondering if you can maybe shed some light on it with regards to the whole family structure. It's kind of affecting everybody in the family.

ELIAS: Express to myself the nature of your conflict and concern.

FRANK: The concern is that ... well, number one, for my daughter from a physical/sexual point of view, that she doesn't end up getting in some kind of difficulty and also that she doesn't get hurt emotionally. But with respect to other members of the family, it's that the guy's just around a lot (laughs), and my other children and my wife are mainly tired of seeing him around. He's sort of a very bold, aggressive person.

ELIAS: Recognize, my friend, each of you are creating your choices, and your choices are not dictated by your daughter's choices. Therefore first of all, I shall express to you, your daughter's choices are hers, and in this, regardless of your concern and regardless of your beliefs, she shall be creating what she chooses to be creating, and whatever she chooses to be creating may not necessarily be comfortable - although in her expression presently she IS expressing pleasure in her choice to be interactive with this individual. But the point is that it matters not; she shall choose what is in accordance with her direction within the moment, and whatever she is choosing in any particular moment shall be beneficial, regardless of how it may appear to you.

Therefore I may express to you, turn your attention once again to self. If other individuals within your family unit are expressing and experiencing conflict with the choices of this one individual, each of you holds the ability to choose within yourselves different probabilities and expressions.

What you are focusing your attention upon, and what your family members are focusing their attention upon, is the other individual. As you continue to focus your attention upon the other individual, you are not paying attention to self, and therefore you deny your own choices of movement and you allow the other individual to continue to dictate to you your choices. You allow the other individual to steer your ship, for you move your attention to them and therefore offer the wheel of your ship to them. Therefore, they now steer your ship in the direction that they choose to be steering it - and you allow this, but experience conflict. My suggestion, my friend, is to regain your wheel of your own ship. Turn your attention to you and recognize that the other individual does not create your reality.

FRANK: I would say about 50 percent of what you just said I am aware of and have been aware of, even while I've been sort of acting as if I wasn't aware of it.

ELIAS: (Chuckling) Ah, for it is familiar and easy to turn your attention to another individual and allow yourself exasperation with the behavior of another individual, holding your attention outside of yourself and allowing yourself irritation and the familiarity of frustration in being the victim to the other individual's choices. (Chuckles)

FRANK: Well, I'm not perfect yet! (Elias and Frank laugh)

Let me ask you about an event that occurred with this friend of my daughter's. I have no clue what this means. I took him fishing last week. It was just he and I, and we're sitting there ... anyway, to make a long story short, he by accident threw the fishing pole in the water (Frank and Elias both laugh) and lost my fishing pole!

ELIAS: (Chuckling) And your response?

FRANK: (Laughing) I don't know, to some degree I thought it was funny, and to some degree it was like, what the hell's wrong with this guy?! (Elias chuckles) I suppose a bit of confusion and a bit of irritation.

ELIAS: Quite! And once again, you provide yourself with physical objective imagery that reflects what we have been discussing. This is physical imagery that reflects your association with how another individual may be creating your choices for you, for another individual has engaged an object that you associate as belonging to you, a possession of yours, and has eliminated it from your possession. (Frank laughs) Therefore, the individual has created your reality for you without your permission or your satisfaction in the choice. But in actuality, you have created this action to offer yourself objective imagery which reflects what you are creating in movement inwardly.

FRANK: Okay; yeah, I can see that. (Elias chuckles and Frank laughs) You know, I have to come up with something for you for these sessions! (Elias laughs)

A couple of other things I'd just like to ask you about here ... actually, I see we have a little more time. On the same trip, I was on a boat fishing with my brother and he stuck a fishing lure in his thumb, pretty deep in there, so we had to bring him back and he had to go to a doctor and have it removed. To some extent, I participated in this event. I remember during the whole time thinking, "Why did he do this? What subjective reason or whatever did he have for doing this?" But again, I'm just curious as to why he did it and how I participated in it, what was my role in it and that sort of thing.

ELIAS: (Chuckling) I may offer you a quite simple response to both of these questions. The other individual has created this event to merely gain his own attention in the moment in relation to his own creations.

YOUR creation of this event in actuality is quite humorous! Ha ha ha! For you have offered yourself this imagery merely as an example of your own movement, your own manner in which YOU create gaining your attention many times, and that you in actuality, in a manner of speaking, surround yourself with other individuals that create quite similarly in engaging physical events that gain your attention in some dramatics of expressions! (Chuckles, and Frank laughs)

FRANK: Right, like throwing fishing poles in the water.

ELIAS: And hair colors and dog bites (Frank begins laughing) and many different types of expressions that engage a physical manifestation that appears in the moment to be dramatic! Ha ha ha ha! And quite amusing! Ha ha ha!

FRANK: (Laughing) Well, maybe it hadn't occurred to me, although I knew something like that was up! (Elias laughs) This was funny, you know - we were actually on the river, and I was going back as fast as I could to try to get him medical attention, and the whole time I was sitting there thinking, "Why did he do this to himself? Why am I involved in this?"

ELIAS: As a provision of entertainment to yourself, that you do not merely engage this type of activity to gain your attention but many individuals that you interact with also create very similar types of objective imagery. Ha ha ha ha!

FRANK: Actually, now that you bring it up, I do distinctly recall one of the things that I was thinking was that this was the sort of thing I would do to myself, but maybe I'm past that now. (Laughs)

ELIAS: (Laughs) Although you have efficiently eliminated your fishing pole!

FRANK: Yes, I have!

ELIAS: (Continues laughing) I may express to you, my friend, genuine pleasure in engaging conversation with you, as it is quite amusing and entertaining viewing your adventures! Ha ha ha!

FRANK: (Laughing) Well, good!

Look, I have two things to ask you about, one of which we've discussed before. A few sessions ago we talked about the pain that I've been having in my elbow and how that was sort of a reflection of my dissatisfaction with having to do certain types of tasks involved with my employment that I just felt like I shouldn't have to be doing. The pain has persisted, and I'm just kind of wondering, where do I go from here to eliminate this manifestation?

ELIAS: Once again, allow yourself to relax. Express to yourself, it matters not! Allow yourself to move your attention and therefore also alter your perception in relation to these activities that you view now, or you define now, as tedious or unnecessary. Allow yourself to relax and incorporate playfulness. View your movement, my friend, as a game rather than the incorporation of such seriousness which creates tension and you create this physical manifestation.

(Humorously) Ah! But I am now recalling that you have allowed yourself to move away from this type of expression, correct? (Frank begins laughing) Ha ha ha ha ha! It is unnecessary for you to be creating physical manifestations! Ha ha ha!

FRANK: (Still laughing with Elias) Oh, you're tough!

One last thing that I have here: I plan to have a conversation next week with a business partner regarding a business arrangement that we made about a year ago that is now starting to bear fruit in potentially a pretty big way. I kind of feel like the arrangement that we have is not really fair to me and that sort of thing. So anyway, we're meeting on Monday, and I'm just wondering if you can give me any insight into the whole situation and how I should approach it and that sort of thing.

ELIAS: I may offer to you that you allow yourself the recall of your recent experience with your parking space and your ticket, for this is an excellent example that you may incorporate as you move into this other experience, in trusting yourself that you create your reality and that you shall create it in what you want if allowing yourself to do so - and you create that in paying attention to you and trusting your expression, knowing that YOU are creating the reality. It is not dependent upon the other individual.

Therefore, my suggestion to you is to approach this situation recalling your experience with your ticket. (Chuckles)

FRANK: I can see how that's ... I was actually forgetting that, and that is true. I will report to you on that the next time we talk!

ELIAS: Very well! I shall be anticipating your report and your further adventure! (Chuckling)

FRANK: Well, we'll see what I can cook up for you next time!

ELIAS: Aha! Very well! More entertainment! Ha ha ha ha ha!

FRANK: (Laughing) I don't mind cooking up these adventures; I just don't like when they hurt physically. (Elias chuckles) Or financially!

ELIAS: Ah!

FRANK: Other than that, I think they're great entertainment!

ELIAS: (Chuckling) And do I also, my friend! (Laughing)

Very well! I shall continue to be encouraging of you and offering my energy to you in the interim time framework. Be playful!

FRANK: Okay. I will attempt to do that!

ELIAS: Very well, and you may be more affecting of dissipating your painfulness! (Chuckling)

FRANK: (Laughing) Okay! Well, thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome, my friend. I express as always to you great affection and tremendous fun. In anticipation of our next meeting, au revoir.

FRANK: Goodbye!

Elias departs at 12:18 PM.

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