Thursday, September 27, 2001 (Private/Phone)
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Anjuli (Miranda)
Elias arrives at 10:49 AM. (Arrival time is 21 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

ANJULI: Oh! Good afternoon! Now it is finally happening! (Elias laughs) I am talking with you on the phone, on a machine! I thought, well, that's kind of funny, this way of talking to you.

ELIAS: Ha ha! (Anjuli laughs) And how shall we proceed?

ANJULI: Hmm?

ELIAS: How shall we proceed?

ANJULI: Yes! I thought, I at first ask some little questions and then the maybe longer ones.

ELIAS: Very well!

ANJULI: Okay, so am I emotional focused?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Yes, I thought so. And then, how many focuses do I have in this physical dimension, I mean, on Earth?

ELIAS: And shall you offer an impression?

ANJULI: Um-hmm?

ELIAS: What is your impression?

ANJULI: My impression? (Pause) Not so many; I mean, not thousands.

ELIAS: You are correct. (Anjuli and Elias laugh) I may express to you, you incorporate total numbering of focuses in this physical dimension of 73.

ANJULI: Seventy-three?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Yes, I had thought they are around this number of 100 or something. Aha! Are there more in total physical ... are there others which are not in human bodies, focused as humans?

ELIAS: Yes, this is a numberless count.

ANJULI: A number ... a what?

ELIAS: This is a numberless count. It may be expressed that you may not actually count all of the focuses that you incorporate within all of the physical dimensions.

ANJULI: Aha, yes! I had a similar feeling that there are not so many on Earth, but a lot of others.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Okay! And then the nonphysical focuses are also a lot, in other dimensions?

ELIAS: Yes, this may be expressed as infinite.

ANJULI: Yes, aha! And then I have a few in the same timeframe as this one?

ELIAS: Within this time framework you incorporate three other focuses beside yourself.

ANJULI: Aha! And I guess they are not in Germany, they are somewhere like one in the USA or something?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

ANJULI: An India one, or Asia? (Pause)

ELIAS: Nepal.

ANJULI: I did not get that.

ELIAS: One in the physical location of Nepal.

ANJULI: Oh! Aha! So I have one in the USA, one in Nepal ... hmm, I try to feel into the third one.

ELIAS: Argentina.

ANJULI: Oh! That's great! That must be interesting. I will try to feel into that one.

ELIAS: Very well.

ANJULI: Is it important for me to feel into those three or to connect with them?

ELIAS: In actuality it matters not, for those focuses that occupy the same time framework as yourself shall, in your terms, feel more distant from yourself. You may be more easily accessing viewing other focuses within other time frameworks.

ANJULI: Ah, yes! And so I had in the past 10 or 20 years three times a dream with the feeling that I was connecting with another focus, and it was always about how the focus disengaged. There was one, he was a man, and maybe he was in the alignment also Milumet because he was so connected with nature and kind of spiritual?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Aha! And he felt ... well, I don't know where he came from. It was not necessarily red Indian, maybe before that all ... or I don't know, it felt quite different from how things are now.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct. And what is your impression as to time framework?

ANJULI: I did not understand.

ELIAS: What is your impression?

ANJULI: Oh, my impression was ... well, I don't know, I read somewhere in the Ramtha books something about Lemuria, that they had this - oh, the English word? - moor, this wet ground, where you can sink into it when you step on it. Well, anyway, so I had this feeling that it was maybe Lemuria, like I was hunted by Atlanters?

ELIAS: Not in association with Lemuria, but you are correct in your translation of your impression concerning the interaction with what you now may term to be enemies and being hunted, so to speak, as rivaling tribes.

ANJULI: Ah, yes, rivaling tribes - the ones who killed me, they did not feel like being intellectual too much...

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: ...or scientific or something.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Another dream was about I was a woman and it was in Italy maybe, and there was either an earthquake or maybe a volcanic eruption together with an earthquake, and then I got buried. I think I was about 40 years old. Is that another focus of me?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct. Physical location, Pompeii.

ANJULI: Physical location?

ELIAS: Pompeii.

ANJULI: I did not understand.

ELIAS: Pompeii.

ANJULI: Ah, yes! Exactly, I had the same feeling. The third one was either in the first or the second World War. I was a soldier, I think I was in Russia, and I was depressed about the war. I was very young ... I AM very young, because everything is in the now. So I am very young, and I did not try to hide myself and that is why I was shot.

ELIAS: You are correct.

ANJULI: I was depressed about the situation.

ELIAS: You are correct.

ANJULI: Was it the first or the second World War?

ELIAS: Second.

ANJULI: The second! And I was from some kind of an eastern country, either East Germany or Estonia or something? No, it was the second World War, then it was not Estonia. Then it was maybe East Germany or a little bit more eastern?

ELIAS: That which you recognize now as Russia.

ANJULI: Does it mean I was in Russia or I was a Russian?

ELIAS: Both!

ANJULI: Oh! I am sure I have several focuses in Russia, because as a teenager I was watching the movie Doctor Zhivago I think 20 times! (Laughs with Elias) So does this mean that I am connected or that I felt this kind of connection to focuses which are in Russia?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Aha! So when I try to connect with other focuses and I feel drawn to other countries, this means I feel drawn to other focuses? There is some familiarity?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

ANJULI: Aha, then the same about my feelings about Scandinavia?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Aha! I have a focus in Scandinavia that is very happy, like a happy life in the forest and this kind of things, in nature, somewhere in a little village?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

ANJULI: I think then I start to feel how to feel into them!

ELIAS: And you are accomplishing quite well, are you not?

ANJULI: Yes! (Elias laughs) I think this is because I have a certain, I don't know from where that comes but a certain belief about me accomplishing certain things, like these consciousness things or subjective somethings, then I right away believe I can do it. I don't know why. I was sometimes wondering where does it come from? Why do I believe that I am able to do that? (Laughing) And it works, you know?

ELIAS: Let me express to you, my friend, that you also allow yourself much more of an ease in connecting to or observing or experiencing other focuses that you incorporate, for you allow yourself a playfulness which creates much more of an ease in movement and allows you to accomplish without obstacles.

ANJULI: Yes! So then this is why a while ago I suddenly had the feeling that something was missing. I felt drawn to something or something in my life was missing, maybe because I am soft and I did not allow certain things or whatever, and then I had an inner voice, maybe it was my own essence, from within. I started writing a book, and I was feeling that I just write and desire and be playful, whatever I want, and not limit myself. So I created another universe, and then I started playing. I was discovering so many things, just because I did not have to think of rules and laws and beliefs which are maybe in this universe, or if it is my imagination or whatever. I was wondering when I started writing, what am I doing? Am I feeling into some other dimensional focuses or is it more a creating something because of my Milumet family?

ELIAS: I may express to you, you are correct in both associations. I may also express to you, allowing yourself to be incorporating this playfulness, you express this outwardly through your perception and therefore allow yourself to be paying attention and listening to that aspect of yourself that you define as imagination.

As I have expressed previously, imagination is quite real, for what you offer to yourself through this avenue of imagination is an actual recognition of manifestations that exist. They may not be associated with your individual physical dimension, but this is not to say that they are not quite real.

ANJULI: Yes. I had this feeling that they must be existing, because sometimes when I was writing they were behaving in a certain way which I had not planned. It was something, as if there was ... I felt into a character or into a beingness or into something.

ELIAS: Correct. Imagination is in actuality another avenue of communication to yourself and offers you a tremendous variety of expressions, not merely in association with this physical dimension.

ANJULI: Ah, yes, and I seem to have lots of fun by doing that. It feels like it is the same need as if others need to eat. (Elias laughs) It is something that I feel the need to experience.

ELIAS: Ha ha! And I am greatly acknowledging of you in your allowance of this expression, for this also is an aspect of the point of this shift in consciousness, the recognition of different aspects of yourself and the widening of your awareness in relation to reality, and also the remembrance that you are essence in its entirety and therefore what you are engaging is an exploration. You are not learning lessons; you are not manifest to be teaching other individuals. You are exploring, and this action maybe incorporated in fun and playfulness rather than the seriousness that you incorporate in general. Ha ha!

ANJULI: (Laughing) Yes, it's so true! And then during those months which I call my in-between time, it was in-between the time when I read the first sessions of you and was on the Elias list, and I then had a time in which I was much more exploring the subjective and being playful than I am usually, anyway, so I did not connect so much with friends or did not read emails or did not read books, and after that I came back to the sessions. But I had the feeling in this time I just wanted to discover who I am, and when I started to discover it, I all the time had in-between the feeling "ah, belief system; ah, belief system" and then I slowly discover, "Why, I am connecting with Elias all the time. Okay!" (Laughing)

ELIAS: You are correct.

ANJULI: And then ... yes?

ELIAS: You are correct, my friend. (Laughs)

ANJULI: Oh! Yes! Thank you! (Laughing with Elias) I did not know if I dare to ask, and I wanted to dare to ask. And you know, in the past days I was not even starting to doubt anymore. There were so many changes going on, that I started to, "Where are my doubts?" It is so strong, this feeling that it is all true, that I stopped ... well, only a little bit maybe, some tiny doubts.

ELIAS: And is it not wondrous, my friend, that you allow yourself this turning of perception, and allow yourself the vastness of freedom in exploring your reality and exploring self and the freedom that you offer to yourself, knowing that you incorporate beliefs but also knowing that you are not subject to them?

ANJULI: Yes. (Elias coughs) You are coughing and not me! I have a cold! (Laughs, and Elias coughs again) That's interesting! (Pause) What has happened?

ELIAS: This is an occurrence that is incorporated in relation to Michael's participation in this energy exchange.

ANJULI: I see! So the next question then would be that during these months of feeling this connection with you more clearly, my way of writing changed. I suddenly had no desire to explore these other things which I had explored before more, because I had it in my head anyway or it was in me anyway, and I couldn't write it down because it takes such a time to write it down.

Then suddenly there was a feeling of change, and then I did it in the same way. I just tried to feel what is it that I would like to experience, what is this playfulness, where does it lead me? And then there was a change, and then when I again just tried to use what I called fantasy or whatever that was and wrote it down, there was the same feeling that I did not plan it. It was not like me inventing it, but it had its own energy. It started to change in a very surprising way, and together with that, changes in me were happening because it was so strong, and then the changes in me happening were so ... suddenly miracles were starting again in my life. I felt more like being myself again, more feeling about a certain part of myself which I probably had not allowed to be expressed so much.

ELIAS: Correct, and this, my friend, is the expression of allowing yourself to become familiar with self, and the actual action of genuinely widening your awareness in acceptance of self and that familiarity of self which I continue to express to individuals, for this is quite significant.

For in allowing yourself to genuinely become familiar with self and allowing yourself to tap into other aspects of yourself and not create tension in relation to that action, what you accomplish is offering yourself much more information concerning self and your reality, which eases you into this movement of acceptance, not merely of yourself but also of your beliefs, and in that easement into the acceptance and the trust, this is the action that I offer information of concerning, for this is the action that creates the lessening of trauma in relation to the movement of this shift in consciousness.

ANJULI: I sometimes had the feeling as if there were other energies sharing or putting some ... now it starts into a direction ... I don't know how to express it. It was not the feeling of just me. I had the feeling of some inner communication.

ELIAS: You are correct.

ANJULI: Had this been you?

ELIAS: Partially, yes, and also other essences. But this also is another expression of what I have been offering to you all in information, allowing yourselves to recognize the actual lack of separation, that this veil of separation is in actuality an illusion. It is quite an efficient illusion, but it is not an absolute. It has been created purposefully within your physical dimension previously to be facilitating a particular type of exploration, but this is unnecessary as you move into objectifying this shift in consciousness now.

As you allow yourself to be dropping this veil of separation, you also allow for an ease of interaction in cooperation with yourself and other essences, which also once again creates much more of an ease in your movement in widening your awareness.

ANJULI: Yes. I sometimes had this feeling that once I had been either connected with that essence, which I ... okay, now I start again. There is some energy that appeared in my inner and was expressed in my book, which I called Inmi. And I had this feeling that whatever energy or other essence or whatever that is, I had a strong feeling of support to discover myself as the center of my creation, and I also then had a vision of there was no separation. I was starting to feel as if it is all water, and therefore you don't know where the start or where the end is of essences, and I was not even afraid. I started to feel happy about that. I did not know anymore what is me and what is the other one.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Is it this what you mean?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: The one who I call Inmi, is this an aspect of you, or is this you, or is this another essence? (Pause)

ELIAS: This is an aspect of this essence.

ANJULI: Yes, I thought so. We have discovered that a little bit on the Elias List when I asked some about how they experience you.

I think I will start with other questions. I think have so many that I plan another session with you.

ELIAS: (Laughs) And we shall be playful together! Ha ha ha ha!

ANJULI: Yes! I have had many experiences throughout my life which were just miracles happening, and I did not know how this suddenly come about, and I love to get surprises like that. Now I start to be curious about how it happens or what is going on, so I thought I ask you about some of them.

ELIAS: Very well.

ANJULI: When they are happening, they are because of me having soft orientation?

ELIAS: The manner in which you create and perceive is greatly influenced by your choice of orientation, but not necessarily because of, so to speak.

ANJULI: Aha! So one experience I had was in the beginning time when I was with my first master. It was a far eastern belief system or community, and I think when I was together with them it was partially because I was drawn to this feeling, like group coherence experiences. The reason why I felt drawn to them, or my joy about these experiences of group coherence, like many doing the same thing, many experiencing during the meditation the same thing, has this something to do with the Borledim alignment and with the shift?

ELIAS: This is influenced by your family and alignment. It also is an expression that you have chosen to be engaging in relation to your individual movement in this shift in consciousness, for your choice to be allowing yourself to engage a common focus of attention in action with a group of individuals allows you the opportunity to explore the lack of separation without fear in association with your orientation.

Yes, you are correct in your impression that your orientation is a factor in these experiences, for individuals that incorporate this particular orientation do many times incorporate also reservation in engaging groups of individuals, and this many times is expressed in relation to the manner in which you perceive groups of individuals.

But this in actuality is a significant action that you have chosen and also provides an example of altering perception in relation to your orientation. For rather than perceiving the group as one entity but separated from yourself, you have allowed yourself to drop the veil of separation in relation to this experience and incorporate yourself as an aspect of the entity of the group, therefore viewing it as all one.

ANJULI: So when I have this feeling that the group, whatever group I have my attention on, that this is all me, like many snowflakes making one huge snowflake and this is all me...?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: And so this feeling of deep, deep, deep inner fulfillment and fun and joy whenever I am experiencing this, this is because this is part of my intent or this is what I want to do?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: And then whenever I have experiences like this, for example with this recent event or other things, it does not even matter what is happening and if there is drama or not. I just feel a certain something, and it is always a feeling of a play of perfection, and it creates a deep joy in me and I have the feeling that I am kind of participating as if there is some energy flow going on, or something that I am doing.

ELIAS: Yes, for you have allowed yourself in actuality to genuinely turn your perception, and this has been accomplished through your allowance of yourself to be familiarizing yourself with you, turning your attention to self, and genuinely moving into an expression of recognizing the lack of separation between yourself and all other essences.

In that recognition merely, solely, there is a tremendous alteration of attention, and there is a tremendous turning of perception, and as I have stated previously, each movement of turning your perception genuinely creates a different reality. You do actually alter your actual physical reality through the movement of your perception, for your perception is that which creates all of the physical manifestations of your reality.

In this, you have allowed yourself in the recognition of the lack of separation quite a different expression within your perception concerning this mass event, and I shall note now in this conversation that we engage together a tremendous acknowledgment of you, my friend, for in this action and in your allowance of yourself to be engaging conversation with myself this day you are offering an example to many other individuals objectively of a different type of expression of perception concerning what many individuals perceive to be quite negative and bad.

Not that you are expressing within yourself or to other individuals that what has been created in [this] mass event may be associated with good, but that you associate with neither expression of duplicity and merely view the event for what it is, a choice and an opportunity, knowing that you as all other individuals are participating. For you are each creating all of this, and therefore all of the choices that are being engaged in relation to this event you each are creating and choosing also.

But you are not engaging the aspect of duplicity, which expresses judgment concerning the choices that are being expressed, and this, my dear friend, is the point, and I shall be acknowledging of you in your ease of your movement presently, and I suggest that you offer yourself also tremendous acknowledgment of your accomplishment. This is the expression of the straight little sapling.

ANJULI: I had a feeling that it would be like you said about this whole thing. I have a feeling that each mass event, it does not matter what it is, like when Lady Diana died or when the wall in Berlin was falling or whatever, that it is like a music, that every being participating in it is a certain instrument or tone, and then this is a music.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Is this how I felt this kind of energies playing together? I called that music, this kind of ... or what is it? Is this a feeling into the essences or is there some vibration?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct. This is your translation of what you are allowing yourself to express and how you are allowing yourself to associate with these movements, but it is quite accurate also.

ANJULI: When I am listening to a certain kind of music, which I am listening to now almost daily and enjoying very much, and then I usually feel also a connection with you, then it's as if I feel into the oneness of all the infinite essences and also into their focuses, and how the various focuses form groups...

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: ...and this is a feeling of kind of patterns?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: And also of a vibration or a cosmic music or however I would call that?

ELIAS: Yes, and the harmony in which it all plays together.

ANJULI: Yes! Then my next question would be, one of the first experiences of this time when I was with this master was that I was meditating ... that was after an out-of-body experience. I left my body, and after this out-of-body experience I suddenly felt like a different being and a different reality just because I had changed my perception about what I am and what reality is. After that I had an experience of I did not feel that I had a body anymore or that I was a focus. I had not the identity that I knew, but I had the feeling that I was a star. No, it was not a feeling, it was an experience of "I am a star. I, the star, am flying in me, the universe." And there was no memory or a feeling of a body or of focus-me or even ... so this was kind of all disappearing, and I was wondering what that was.

ELIAS: This is the beginning of the incorporation of the remembrance, my friend. As I have expressed previously, the identification of what I term to be the remembrance is not engaging memory or remembering. This is a state of being. It is allowing yourself the expression of the remembrance, knowing the vastness of yourself as essence and knowing the tremendous expression of your abilities, and in this that you incorporate no limitation, that you are in actuality much greater than you perceive yourselves to be in one focus of attention. This you have offered to yourself in experience, that you may allow yourself the knowing in reality of the infiniteness of yourself as essence, and that all is actually created from inward out. Therefore, you are quite correct. You are the universe. It springs from you; you create all of it.

ANJULI: Then this is also like a dream I had a few weeks ago when there was nothing but also not nothing. It was beingness or empty or something. I was in this emptiness, but this was not this I, this focus-I. It was a different feeling. It was a huge hugeness.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: And in this hugeness there was a wholeness created and then this wholeness was spreading from me and then the wholeness was there, and after that I created what I called parts that felt like essences. They looked like dots or something like that, and then I screamed in the dream, I screamed out, "Wholeness, here are your pieces!"

ELIAS: (Laughs) This is your imagery to yourself in familiarizing yourself with energy, you as an energy personality essence, and in this, the personality is an expression of you as essence. The essence is the expression of your unique individuality of consciousness which identifies you as you, but the familiarity of the energy expression is that which you have imaged to yourself as the wholeness and the recognition of the tremendousness of yourself as energy, which your translation is expressed in "the nothing but not nothing."

ANJULI: It is such a fun talking with you! (Elias laughs) I am happy that I created you into my reality! I think we have five more minutes, if I remember correct?

ELIAS: Very well!

ANJULI: So another question, also an experience from that time with my first master, I had several experiences of levitation of the physical body. The first one was in Washington. I had the experience of giving a certain impulse and flowing with it, focusing on it and flowing, and then as if my whole totality was jumping into this impulse. I forgot everything around me, or my reality or my me-ness, jumped into that impulse and then, when I had for the first time this experience, there was a short time of the same almost nothingness but not nothingness, so I forgot who I am and I had no feeling of body anymore, but I had a very, very faint feeling that maybe my body had left the floor. Then after a while I became aware again of myself and my body was sitting in the air, and I was so surprised, that it fell down.

ELIAS: (Laughs) And in this...

ANJULI: What did I do then?

ELIAS: In this experience you have offered yourself the opportunity to be engaging and experimenting with your inner sense of conceptualization, allowing yourself the recognition and movement into an experience of conceptualization, and as you move your awareness, you also allow your physical body consciousness to be moving in manners that your beliefs suggest are impossible.

In conceptualization, this inner sense allows you to move your awareness into the action of a concept, the reality of a concept, and in this you allow yourself to be instructing your physical body consciousness in much more freedoms of movement than you generally express in the engagement of merely your objective awareness in waking state, so to speak. Although you are incorporating objective waking state awareness in this experience, you also allow yourself less of a focusing of attention upon the objective expression and awareness, and you allow yourself to be focusing your attention more upon the expression of the inner sense and allow more of an incorporation of the subjective movement and awareness.

ANJULI: So then this is why a few years later when I had the same experience but this time I felt all the details from this flow and focus, and this not letting go of the objective but the focus on this other thing...

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: ...and this focus on the objective or this experiencing the normal objective awareness left me. This was a quite flow experience of all of these different steps, like for example my body started screaming and shaking and all kinds of things, and I felt now I want to focus on this inner something, otherwise it would stop. I just want to focus on this inner something, and then I did not mind the emotions and the screaming and everything else, and after this I suddenly was like in quiet water after a wild water, and my body was slowly coming up into the air and very, very slowly coming down again. I had the feeling that I had got in more details of how this works with this focus on the inner subjective experience.

ELIAS: Yes, allowing yourself more of an incorporation of the objective awareness and interplay, for you have offered yourself the experience and recognized that you need not be incorporating fearfulness. Therefore, you allow yourself to incorporate more of your attention being focused upon the objective awareness in incorporating this expression of your inner sense of conceptualization.

ANJULI: I thought of the same thing when I had in my mind that soon I am going to talk on the phone with you, then I thought, "Now I do the same thing. It does not matter if I started to have a cold and what my body is doing and what my emotions are doing, and I just focus on this something." (Elias laughs) It was great fun!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! And I express to you also in agreement! I shall be anticipating our next meeting in playfulness, my friend.

ANJULI: Yes! I think it is going to be soon.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! Very well!

ANJULI: Okay! Thank you very much! I love you!

ELIAS: You are quite welcome. I offer to you continued encouragement and tremendous affection, and I shall be incorporating playful energy with you in the interim time framework. Ha ha! To you this day, my friend, au revoir.

ANJULI: Thank you!

Elias departs at 11:47 AM.

(1) Elias says "Good afternoon," as Anjuli is calling from Germany.

(2) Anjuli's note: The World Trade Center bombing of September 11, 2001.

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